Good and Bad Unacceptable theology

Good  acceptable  theology
 
Holy Spirit  Here are some great articles on the Holy Spirit
The Faith Posted by: thenonconformer | May 20, 2008
The Holy Spirit Posted by: thenonconformer on May 3, 2008
The Holy Spirit continued Posted by: thenonconformer on May 3, 2008
Anointed Posted by: thenonconformer on May 3, 2008
Anointed Continued Posted by: thenonconformer on May 3, 2008
        
And  Jesus never sold one Sermon of his, nor the Apostles… so I rightfully cannot stand those greedy, money lusting charlatans who clearly try to make money by selling Christian literature, tapes, music, or what ever on the subject of Prophecy, healing, etc., .. and no matter what their excuses are now too.. Jesus said as you have freely received so freely give. And that is what I have done the last 4 decades too… and so should we all, trusting in the Faith for God to supply our needs, not begging for money, or wrongfully stealing by pretending to be a non profitable tax exempt corporation, organization basically so not to pay taxes as well.. How greedy can you get and pretend it to be Christian now too is the game many wrongfully play too even pastors….
 
Dispensationalism, IS FALSE BUT IT IS A GREAT MONEY MAKER, for IT SELLS A LOT OF BOOKS, TAPES, MOVIES TO THE IGNORANT, to all those persons who do not read the bible honestly for themslves.. it is a great cash cow.
 
Isn’t it ironically and hypocritical while there is only one Bible many Christians ALSO cannot agree on the role of Israel today and in the future, and many cannot agree on the role of the Holy Sprit now as well.
 
 A house divided against itself cannot stand (Mark 3:25)  applies to  Churches, and our homes, and our marriages too.
(Prov 16:19 KJV)  Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
 
All these Dispensationalist have to quote solely it seems the Old testament to support their views? what their views are not confirmed by Jesus and the apostles?
 
I had talked face to face with now an ex president of the Canadian Christian Missionary alliance on this too.. the only thing he could confirm for sure in prophecy from the Bible was the return of Jesus Christ… the rest was filled with contradictions, controversies still
 
The subject of Israel’s prophecy made Daniel sick too..(Dan 8:27 KJV)  And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days;
(Dan 12:4 KJV)  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
 
IF Daniel WAS NOT ALLOWED TO DEAL WITH IT HOW CAN ANYONE ELSE?
 
People would be better of living the  life of Christ today (Mat 6:34 KJV)  Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
 
The criticism of Rev Hagee, right or wrong is just the tip of the iceberg of discontentment against too many so called Christian pastors in America.  I know I pastored a church for a few years, and in the last 50 years I have encountered too many many mostly bad pastors, and 70 percent of evangelical pastors have admitted they had committed adultery and they even do counsel divorce for a start. The false misappropriation of funds in many churches in north America is so common so I had rightfully asked even the US government to investigate all of the churches- Pentecostal, Catholic, Baptist for their possible misappropriation of funds equally, annually in fact months ago too.
 
For a start most churches ask you to the, give ten percent of your income to the church, but tithing is also an old testament concept and not enforceable in the new testament. In the old testament the tithers, and those who received the tithers had to insure that 1/7 of the donations were given to the local poor people. So I asked any church that advocated tithe that they prove as well they have kept this Biblical requirements, for almost none do it for it start. On top of that any clergy receiving tithing in the old testament was not allowed to own any real estate , tangible property too. If you are going to preach the law here on tithing too, then you yourself should observe all of it, not just mostly steal the tithe.
  
And  Jesus never sold one Sermon of his, nor the Apostles… so I rightfully cannot stand those greedy, money lusting charlatans who clearly try to make money by selling Christian literature, tapes, music, or what ever on the subject of Prophecy, healing, etc., .. and no matter what their excuses are now too.. Jesus said as you have freely received so freely give. And that is what I have done the last 4 decades too… and so should we all, trusting in the Faith for God to supply our needs, not begging for money, or wrongfully stealing by pretending to be a non profitable tax exempt corporation, organization basically so not to pay taxes as well.. How greedy can you get and pretend it to be Christian now too is the game many wrongfully play too even pastors….
   
Now there is another common scam I do not like, groups, churches who often choose a valid cause, since the best way to catch fish, suckers is with live bait, and then do next do ask for related donations, money.. this advertised cause tends to be rather an inefficient  self employment creation, and is not a real public services.. for to get most complaints, issues handled properly all you do generally have to do is to post it firstly on the net, and also write to the News media  with copies to the  elected officals.
           

The Bad Unacceptable  theology

Dispensationalism

Dispensationalism is basically false and it is the  method of interpreting the scriptures that sees two distinct peoples of God, with two distinct destinies – Israel and the Church.  It is not a coincident that too many  Dispensationalists do also oppose the work of the  THE HOLY SPIRIT today as well, HIS Charismatic GIFTS NOW TOO.

Incidentally because of Rev. Hagee’s  false views on Israel  I have from the start rightfully not supported Rev. Hagee’s endorsement of US senator McCain  “I did not know of them before Rev. Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well.”  22 May 2008  This is the same John Hagee whose support John McCain was originally  “glad” to have despite “condemning” some of his views.      

 Hagee’s views on Israel supposedly have nothing to do with Israel’s best interests and everything to do with Hagee’s own interest in promoting his own radical viewpoints. Hagee is opposed to territorial concessions for peace and a two-state solution.   He is outspoken in his support for military action against Iran. [  He raises money to build illegal Jewish settlements in the Palestinian territories and opposes a shared Jerusalem. 

Senator McCain’s  past embrace of John Hagee spoke poorly of his judgment of personal character, it calls into question whether he has any understanding of what it really will take to bring about peace and security in the Middle East.

Toni, at FilesfromToni blog has posted a very good link to vital information for those wondering where the money which is given to different Christian Zionist organizations is really going and how its NOT being used. http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/

The  bad fruits of Christian Zionism Of great significance that John Hagee and his scantly veiled two-covenant theology has overlooked in pursuit of a personal political agenda (in the name of Christianity) called “Christian” Zionism and what appears to be a strong bid to hijack Biblical Christianity and replace it with Judiasm are the powerful words and teachings of Paul written in Romans Chapter 9 and Galatians Chapter 4 and 5

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A critique of Dispensationalism directly from the Scripture (1) This is an interesting study.
By Nathan Pitchford posted at Monergism;
Note: This list represents a wide segment of popular Dispensational teachings; however, Dispensationalism is by no means a monolithic entity, and many self-professed Dispensationalists, particularly in the Progressive school, would not adhere to many of its points.
Introduction:Dispensationalism is basically the method of interpreting the scriptures that […] Filed under: Being Equipped, Bible, Theology | Tagged:  

A critique of Dispensationalism directly from the Scripture (2) continued from part (1)
2. The Fulfillment of Prophecy
A) The true heir of the Old Testament promises is not ethnic Israel, but only Christ, the one Seed of Abraham.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as […] Filed under: Bible, Theology | Tagged:

Judeo – Christianity Does Not Include Jesus Christ Or Messianic Jews Excellent post by Job at Primitive Christology
He makes some excellent points on the letter posted (here) yesterday. Filed under: Bad Theology, The Apostasy | Tagged:

THE ISRAEL OF GOD: a consideration of so-called “Replacement Theology” Excellent teaching on a much misunderstood topic by Peter Cohen at Messianic Good News:
“You Cannot Have The Promised Land If You Do Not Accept The Promised Prince Of Peace” unknown
In his book “The destiny of Israel and the church” Derek Prince stated: “Essential truth is usually simple, and the truth is, Israel is Israel, […]  Filed under: The Church, Theology | Tagged: ,  

Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth How important is it that we rightly divide the Word of God? In today’s world of multiple erroneous and/or false teachings, its imperative that we learn to do so for false teachings and beliefs have a way of multiplying and building upon each-other, until finally the ‘whole house’ of theology we have erected is […]  Filed under: Bad Theology, Bible, Theology | Tagged: , , ,

Baaaaad Theology You know, I found some of the comments made by this pastor really sad (its an old article from January 06).
The WashingtonPost: Among Evangelicals, A Kinship With Jews
I won’t post the entire article, its 3 pages long, but just a few quotes:
DANVILLE, Va. — Everyone who worships at the Tabernacle quickly learns three facts about […] Filed under: Bad Theology | Tagged: ,  

The Fruit of ‘Bad’ Theology Last evening when reading through and posting the article from the Christian Post: Evangelical Leaders: Jews Need Jesus Christ, brings rebuke from ADL, I was overjoyed to read that many Christian pastors/leaders etc stepped up publicly, declaring Jews need and can only receive salvation through Jesus Christ. On the other hand though, I thought […]  Filed under: Bad Theology | Tagged:

The Threat of Christian Zionism, Politics, and John Hagee (1)  A couple weeks back I posted the link to this in “The-Ologys”, but after re-reading it tonight decided to post it in (2) parts on the front page: I believe its an important article and message.
From Monergism: The Threat of Christian Zionism by Nathan Pitchford
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If the phenomenal success of the bestselling Left Behind series indicates […] Filed under: Bad Theology, Eschatology, False Teachings | Tagged: , , ,

The Threat of Christian Zionism, Politics, and John Hagee (2) continued from part (1)
What Are the Potential Results of Christian Zionism?
In light of what has previously been said, it should be apparent that Christian Zionism has the potential to shape the beliefs and practices of its adherents in a great many arenas. Some of these will now be designated more clearly: Filed under: Bad Theology, Eschatology, False Teachings | Tagged: , , ,

Mis-applying Scripture Just writing from my heart right now–so forgive me if this post appears to be somewhat scattered.
Some days my frustration level almost reaches the point in which I’d just just as soon never read another commentary, column, or private teaching on anything or by anyone ever again, and just stick to the Bible. I get […]  Filed under: Bad Theology, Eschatology, Musings | Tagged:

Wine Drinking

Funny how many Christians try to justify their wine drniking, and what next their pornography, bad drugs too? If you took 2 martinis or 2 beers a day you are an alcoholic. Alcoholism is a crime and not a disease, it is a crime, it is just as lethal, bad, and it is really unacceptable as selling or taking bad drugs too. Canada’s bad drug problem, drunk driving, alcoholism is increasing not just amongst the teens, but also in the work place, in the government now as well even amongst the civil and public servants. Most major home violence, car or truck accidents are still associated with alcohol now too and not speeding. It’s a fact that drinking alcohol can seriously damage one’s health and cause permanent brain damage as well .Alcohol may lead to liver problems, a variety of cancers as well as forms of osteoporosis and depression, and studies are showing, too, that women are more susceptible to the ill effects of alcohol than are men.

Genuine Born Again Evangelical Christians are total abstainers 1 Cor 6:10 Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers {and} slanderers, nor extortioners {and} robbers will inherit {or} have any share in the kingdom of God.

We know that alcoholism is a terrible sin that now damages the person’s brain, affects their ability to work, to drive a car, and negatively affects their own behavior and affects many others too. The same reality is true of one taking now bad drugs as well. So I was also similarly shocked, surprised to discover the the falsely professing evangelical Christian Stephen Harper our Prime Minister likes to consume wine, alcohol, and he buys it for others as well.

Beyond a Biblical doubt the Genuine Born Again Evangelicals are total abstainers, like me, I never drink or touch wine or alcohol, at any time, nor do I give playboy, pornography, wine or wine glasses to anyone.

 Look I am not alone in this view.. too many Canadian persons have noticed that we have much too many alcoholics in the governments, even as elected ones, even as leaders, Brian Mulroney was known for his boozing now too.. Regretfully still there  much too many alcoholics even in the Conservative party now for my liking,  , in this area too they are just as bad as the Liberal too it seems..  and who can forget Ralph Klein’s alcoholic outburts too, A man is certainly known what he is like by the friends he keep and having an brain damaged alcoholic as a friend, as a  drinking buddy is really no virtue, it is a sad recommendation,  a poor reference that you cannot even be now proud off.. The Prime Minister Stephen Harper a professing Christian Missinary Alliance Evangelcial too had said that the ex PM Brian Mulroney was a close friends.. he Harper now really better start to get better friends and appointees than his alcoholic drinking buddies.. and still not one cent of taxpayers’ money should ever be even used  to buy any alcoholic, alcohol  at any governmental function, expense account.. for we all know how bad alcoholism is and how much evil , suffering it brings, all alcoholics should be fired, especially all of the alcoholic the public and civil servants, all alcoholic  elected officials too  and  not rather falsely  rewarded with more alcohol for almost all of them are already known to be liars, cheat’s thieves, abusers, etc..

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/alcoholism-the-unacceptable-sin/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/and-if-the-righteous-scarcely-be-saved/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/good-and-bad-unacceptable-theology/

Rome, the Devil, and Mary  “…. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” John 8
The father of lies. If you want proof of that truth, read what […] Filed under: Discernment, False Teachings | Tagged:  , |  http://b.1asphost.com/freelygiven/true.htm   http://b.1asphost.com/freelygiven/mary2.htm 

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Polygamy

 Polygamy is wrong because it necessarily involves adultery. That is why it is not specifically banned anywhere in the New testament Bible – because it is covered by the laws that deal with adultery.   

If you have sex with someone other than your wife then it is adultery, and simply going through a ceremony, even if it is legally valid, cannot make that second woman into a wife in the eyes of God.   Jesus said looking at a women, (who is not your sole wife,) is still adultery too.     Adultery is stealing the sex that does not belong to you, it belongs to another man or women.

99.9 percent of the Christians have never practiced polygamy for centuries now too and that alone should have been quite explicit the clear condemnation of polygamy.

There are only supposedly 14,000 participants worldwide for the professing Christian polygamists, and many of them are moving to the western United States, particularly Utah. Their main purpose also in going to Utah and surrounding areas is to convert the Mormon polygamists to Christian polygamy since they and majority of Christians don’t believe even the Mormon fundamentalists to be Christians.  But we also already have been warned that int he last days there will be these type of false prophets and false teachers evens such as even the  Mormons, the sexual perverts. Mormons at one time had openly observed the multiple-wife tradition until the law prohibited it Unacceptable abuses that occur within the polygamous societies such as incest, statutory rape, underage marriage, welfare fraud, tax evasion, lack of education, trafficking of minors across boarders for the purpose of sex, medical neglect, and extreme forms of domestic abuse & mental torture. we must not forget the tens of thousands of polygamous children and adults who are being coerced into this Taliban way of life. without any regard for the polygamous women and children whose human rights are being violated.   The  Mormons who now also pretend to be Christians and many do know they are not. In fact neither of them are real Christians  that now is undeniable too

Historically, biblically In the new Testament times, Bible  there was no practice of polygamy amongst any of the Christians or the apostles, church leaders. 

Muslims also do  practise polygamy.  Chechen Acting Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov has spoken for allowing polygamy in his republic. “Chechnya needs it because we had a war, and, statistically, we have more women than men,” Kadyrov said that different sources say there are 9-11% more women than men in Chechnya. Kadyrov believes a man can have up to four wives, if he can support them.

Polygamy is not a question of a woman’s right to ‘not be single’ .  ” As a Muslim I believe it to be a human right if a woman does not want to be single and does not have an opportunity to get married, but agrees to become a second or a third wife, than the state has no right to deprive her of that. Today the state gives a woman the right to be a mistress deprived of rights. She can claim neither property nor support to her children born in civil marriage. But as a spouse her rights are limited.”  And according this anti-Christ polygamy is about a woman’s ‘right’ to be a second, third or fourth wife of a man. If a Christian man is tempted, he can just marry the woman –just like the pagans do. What’s the problem? The first step to the complete debauchery of any people so they descend into animal behavior by the anti-Christ’s the lie of free will.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee: that thou hast there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a snare before the sons of Israel, to eat of idol sacrifices and commit fornication.

Malachi 2:13-17 And further ye do this: ye cover the altar of Jehovah with tears, with weeping, and with sighing, insomuch that he regardeth not the oblation any more, nor receiveth it with satisfaction at your hand. Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because Jehovah hath been a witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt unfaithfully: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. And did not one make them ? and the remnant of the Spirit was his. And wherefore the one? He sought a seed of God. Take heed then to your spirit, and let none deal unfaithfully against the wife of his youth, (for I hate putting away, saith Jehovah the God of Israel ;) and he covereth with violence his garment, saith Jehovah of hosts: take heed then to your spirit, that ye deal not unfaithfully. Ye have wearied Jehovah with your words, and ye say, Wherein have we wearied him ? In that ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of Jehovah, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
Exodus 23:32,33 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods. They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me; for if thou serve their gods, it is sure to be a snare unto thee.
(Rev 2:20 KJV)  Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Clearly, polygamy is unscriptural. God created (1) man and (1) woman to be united. God didn’t simultaneously create (1) man to be united with 2-3, or more women. Anyone who argues in favor of polygamy is clearly a follower of Satan.
  
God still says to the worshipers of demons who hate Jesus Christ and Israel: “But I know thine abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, And thy raging against me.” 2 Kings 19:27   and Polygamists they are clearly the abnormal sexual perverts even if they are having a good time at it..
 
 (2 Cor 11:14 KJV) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (2 Cor 11:15 KJV) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 
” Polygamy We have NT data from Jesus and from Paul, and we have information on the attitude of the early church to it from the Fathers. 1. The clearest verse comes from Jesus in His teaching on divorce: Jesus replied,
 
“Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.” (NIV Matt 19.8-9, pp. Mark 10.1-12)
 
1. The key thing to note here is that this argument fails if polygamy is acceptable! Jesus’ point is that improper divorce does not nullify a marriage, and if the first marriage still stands, then a “second” marriage is adultery–and NOT simply ‘polygamy’! This is very clear.
 
“The saying is hyperbolic-that is, it has exaggerated, intensified force: because God does not accept divorce as valid, any man who divorces his wife is not really divorced, and if he marries someone else, he commits adultery. No one else in antiquity spoke of divorce in such strong terms. (Because most Jewish teachers allowed polygamy, they would not have seen marrying a second wife as adultery, even if they had agreed that the man was still married to the first wife. But Jesus eliminates the double standard; a man consorting with two women is as adulterous as a woman consorting with two men.) [BBC, in.loc. Mark 10:11.  
“The school of Shammai … did not permit divorce except for the wife’s unfaithfulness (whether successful or attempted), but they did not consider remarriage afterward adulterous. Jesus is more consistent: if one divorces one’s spouse without valid grounds , the marriage is not truly dissolved and subsequent marriage is adulterous.” [BBC, in. loc. Mtt 19.9]
 
2. Paul, in Romans 7, actually uses the same principle, but applies it to the wife: So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man. (Rom 7)
Notice that a polyandrous relationship would also be adultery.
 
3. There is another, more general argument expressed in the New Testament, concerning the example of godly leaders. It is clear (as the questioner notes) that those in Church government/leadership are to be monogamous (the ‘husband of one wife’ clause shows up in both statements of elder/deacon qualifications: 1 Tim 3.2 and Titus 1.6). But these leaders are told to be examples to the flock, and the believers are told to follow the example of the apostles, disciples, and leaders. [Phil 3.17; 4.9; 1 Thess 1.6,7; 2 Thess 3.7,9; 1 Tim 4.12; Tit 2.7; 1 Pet 5.3; 1 Cor 4.6; 1 Cor 11.1] Therefore, in the absence of other NT instruction, ALL believers are to emulate the purity and scripturally-mandated characteristics of our elders–including the monogamous one (2nd in each list!). In fact, one measure of the ‘godliness’ of a widow, worthy of welfare support from scarce church funds, was that she be a “wife of one husband” (the exact same phrase turned around)–I Timothy 5.9. The reference to polyandry shows that monogamy was important for general believers as well.
The NT data is rather clear–for both forms of polygamy: polygyny and polyandry–that monogamy is important to God’s will, and that entering into polygamy is committing adultery.
  
The post-NT church was likewise anti-polygamy:
1. Justin Martyr (c.160) rebukes the Jews for allowing polygamy: “Your imprudent and blind masters [i.e., Jewish teachers] even until this time permit each man to have four or five wives. And if anyone sees a beautiful woman and desires to have her, they quote the doings of Jacob.” [ANF, vol. 1, p. 266]
2. Irenaeus (c.180) condemns the Gnostics for, among other things, polygamy: “Others, again, following upon Basilides and Carpocrates, have introduced promiscuous intercourse and a plurality of wives…” [ANF, vol. 1, p.353]
3. Tertullian (c.207) was also explicit: “Chapter II.-Marriage Lawful, But Not Polygamy. We do not indeed forbid the union of man and woman, blest by God as the seminary of the human race, and devised for the replenishment of the earth and the furnishing of the world, and therefore permitted, yet Singly. For Adam was the one husband of Eve, and Eve his one wife, one woman, one rib. (ANF: Tertullian, To His Wife)
4. Methodius (cf.290) was clear on the issue, arguing that it had stopped at the time of the Prophets: “The contracting of marriage with several wives had been done away with from the times of the prophets. For we read, ‘Do not go after your lusts, but refrain yourself from your appetites’…And in another place, ‘Let your fountain be blessed and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.’ This plainly forbids a plurality of wives.” [ANF, vol. 6, p.312]
5 The Pseudo-Clementine Literature boasts about how St. Thomas taught the Parthians [i.e., an Iranian culture] to abandon polygamy:
“But I shall give a still stronger proof of the matters in hand. For, behold, scarcely seven years have yet passed since the advent of the righteous and true Prophet; and in the course of these, inert of all nations coming to Judaea, and moved both by the signs and miracles Which they saw, and by the grandeur of His doctrine, received His faith; and then going back to their own countries, they rejected the lawless rites of the Gentiles, and their incestuous marriages. In short, among the Parthians-as Thomas, who is preaching the Gospel amongst them, has written to us-not many now are addicted to polygamy; nor among the Medes do many throw their dead to dogs; nor are the Persians pleased with intercourse with their mothers, or incestuous marriages with their daughters; nor do the Susian women practise the adulteries that were allowed them; nor has Genesis been able to force those into crimes whom the teaching of religion restrained. (ANF 8: “Book IX: Chapter XXIX.-The Gospel More Powerful Than ‘Genesis.’”]
6. The Council of Neocaesarea a.d. 315 (circa) refers to a ‘purification period’ for polygamists. By that time, sinners had to ’sit out’ of Church activities until they had demonstrated reformation. If a sin showed up on this list of canons, it was considered a ‘bad sin’–and polygamy shows up here: “Ancient Epitome of Canon III. The time (for doing penance and purification) of polygamists is well known. A zeal for penance may shorten it.” [ANF]
7. Basil, Archbishop of Caesarea, mentioned it a number of times in his letters, generally concerning the period for exclusion from church for polygamists, calling it ‘limited fornication’(!):

“IV. In the case of trigamy and polygamy they laid down the same rule, in proportion, as in the case of digamy; namely one year for digamy (some authorities say two years); for trigamy men are separated for three and often for four years; but this is no longer described as marriage at all, but as polygamy; nay rather as limited fornication. It is for this reason that the Lord said to the woman of Samaria, who had five husbands, “he whom thou now hast is not thy husband.” He does not reckon those who had exceeded the limits of a second marriage as worthy of the title of husband or wife. In cases of trigamy we have accepted a seclusion of five years, not by the canons, but following the precept of our predecessors. Such offenders ought not to be altogether prohibited from the privileges of the Church; they should be considered deserving of hearing after two or three years, and afterwards of being permitted to stand in their place; but they must be kept from the communion of the good gift, and only restored to the place of communion after showing some fruit of repentance. [ANF: (Canonica Prima.)To Amphilochius, concerning the Canons. Letter CLXXXVIII written c.347.]1. Polygamy was NOT practiced in Greek and Roman societies of the New testament time:

The data for the NT is rather clear. Although it was already a minority practice (outlawed in many countries), the stance of Jesus, Paul, and the early church is emphatically condemnatory towards it. Monogamy is upheld as God’s design, His will, and His expectation for His people.

“Even though we may find numerous traces of polygamy and polyandry in the Gk. myths, monogamy predominated in the Gk. world in the historical period. Morality within marriage was strict. The Homeric hero had one wife, who was faithful and inviolable, a good manager of the home and mother. Gk. marriage was monogamous. [NIDNTT:s.v. “Marriage, adultery, bride, bridegroom”]
“Polygamy was not practiced in the Roman world outside Palestine, though illegal bigamy and certainly adultery were. [EBC: in.loc. 1 Tim 3]
 
2. Polygamy was practiced somewhat in 1st century Palestinian Judaism (by the government/aristocratic leaders):
“In the Second Temple period, Jewish society was, at least theoretically, polygamous, like other oriental societies of the time but in contrast to the neighboring Greek and Roman societies….”[HI:JWGRP:85] “There is evidence of the practice of polygamy in Palestinian Judaism in NT times (cf. J. Jeremias, Jerusalem in the Time of Jesus: An Investigation into Economic and Social Conditions during the New Testament Period, 1969, 90, 93, 369f.). Herod the Great (37-4 B.C.) had ten wives (Josephus, Ant. 17, 19f.; War 1,562) and a considerable harem (War 1,511). Polygamy and concubinage among the aristocracy is attested by Josephus, Ant. 12, 186ff.; 13, 380; War 1, 97. The continued practice of levirate marriage (Yeb. 15b) evidently led to polygamy, which was countenanced by the school of Shammai but not by that of Hillel. [NIDNTT:s.v. “Marriage, adultery, bride, bridegroom”]
 
3. Among the Jews, it was not accepted by the prestigious school of Hillel (above), nor by the strict Dead Sea Sect (Qumran), and was not widely practiced, esp. among the rabbi’s:
“But even if polygamy was permitted by tannaitic halakhah, other halakhic systems counseled otherwise. During the Second Temple period, monogamy was preferred even on the conceptual plane by, above all, the Dead Sea Sect whose halakhah explicitly prohibited polygamy. In the reworked version of the statutes of the king in the Temple Scroll, it is stated: “he shall not take another wife in addition to her, for she alone shall be with him all the days of her life” (LVII 17-8). In the Damascus Covenant, criticism is leveled against the ‘builders of the wall’ (Pharisees?) in the following terms: ‘they shall be caught in fornication twice; once by taking a second wife while the first is still alive…’ [HI:JWGRP:85] “it was known in Jewish society as represented in rabbinic literature, polygamy was not widespread in practice, especially not among the sages themselves.” [HI:JWGRP:86]
 
So, polygamy was present only in a particular subset of Palestinian Judaism (not in Roman society, Greek society, Diaspora Jewish communities, the Hillel-school, or Dead Sea Sect), and generally confined to the aristocracy.  ”http://www.christian-thinktank.com/
 
So Polygamy is not acceptable in the New Testament  nor today not even for any professing Christians and all the people now trying to now live under mostly the old testament laws alone, wrongfully justifying their polygamy  are now going to hell anyway  Even sex outside of marriage, or lusting for  another women, even while it may be consetsual is also still sinful. Just cause it is consentual does not mean any act between two persons is not sinful. Even the sole act of masturbation is a sinful act. What even makes these acts sinful is that the people involved are not only harming themselves, going clearly against God’s present and original intent, they are also likely next corrupting, harming the others as it was pointed out .

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. (Gal 5:16 KJV)9  What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.   10  And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. 11  And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12  And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. (Mark 10:  KJV)

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (1 John 2:16 KJV)

7 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.(John 4: KJV) 

   And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?11  She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. (John 8: KJV)
 
The fact that Jesus did not directly condemned the adulteress woman, there is still no denial of the truth that adultery/polygamy is still an unacceptable  sin.. and Jesus said go and sin no more
 
For the husband is the head of the wife (singular), even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body” (Ephesians 5:22-23)
 
 18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.  (I corinthians16 )
 
 ”He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”

 1 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her  husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. 8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.”  (I Corinthians 7 )
 
and consentual or not Ephesians 5:3 NIV;  says  ”But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.”  1 Thessalonians 4:7. “For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.”
 
(1 Cor 5:11 KJV)  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
 
Aultery/polygamy, Sex before marriage are sins. Sex before marriage is fornication. Fornication” literally means “voluntary sexual intercourse between unmarried  woman and a man”
 
Christianity began with Jesus himself is recorded as having declared that  he is God, and the sole person that can forgive all sins,  ”I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father [i.e. God], but by me.” (John 14:6; Revised Standard Version). He also is recorded as having declared, (John 8:19 KJV)  Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. (John 10:7 KJV)  Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8  All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Hebrews 3:3 “How shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation?”. (Galatians 1:6- 8) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel – not that there is another gospel…. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.”  “All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist” (Colossians 1:16b-17).
 
Christianity is the only religion that Offers the Assurance and Security of Salvation in the present and from the time we first believed until we breath our last breath and beyond.
 
A.We have the assurance of a new life (1 John 3:14).
B.We have the assurance of divine care (Romans 8:28).
C.We have the assurance that God hears our prayers (1 John 5:13).
D.We have the assurance of a happy ending (2 Corinthians 5:1, 5-8).All this brings wonderful peace and hope to the believer. We can know now that one day we will be with Jesus in heaven.          
        

In the 7the century A.D. Prophet Muhammad,  appeared with  the founding of Islam. Islam too is another  after the facts, another gospel and so are the Mormons, as well.. both relgions that worngfuly practised polygmany now too. Many Mormons have moved north even to Alberta
 
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormons, claims 12-million adherents around the world, The false church is the Americanized Jesus religion. It places the Garden of Eden in Jackson County, Missouri, and claims Christ visited America after the resurrection to promise his second coming, also in Missouri. It is an entirely home-grown. Joseph Smith founded the religion in 1830 in upstate New York, telling his followers an angel had appeared to him and handed him the Book of Mormon in the form of gold tablets.Smith gave the tablets back after translating them from the original “reformed Egyptian”. According to the Book of Mormon, Israelites came to the American continent 600 years before Christ, but split into two feuding tribes, Nephites and Lamanites. The Nephites were “pure” (the word was “white” in Mormon scriptures until 1981) and led by a great man called Mormon. Lamanites were idol-worshipping and wicked, and therefore suffered the “curse of blackness” that turned their skins dark. The Lamanites eventually wiped out the Nephites, which is why Christopher Columbus found only brown-skinned native Americans when he arrived.  Mormon scriptures are jarringly recent and, in many cases, patently wrong. DNA testing, for example, has shown that the first Americans arrived from Asia, not from the Middle East.
 
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormons,introduced polygamy to the United States before the civil war, but it has spent more than a century trying to disown its continued practice by more than 20 000 renegade Mormon fundamentalists in the backwaters of the western states, as well as in Mexico and Canada. In this Latterday Saints’ church  priesthood was closed to black people until 1978,  No Mormon doctrine or practice has proved more troubling to the church than polygamy. The principle did not form part of Smith’s original scriptures, but came to him as a revelation years later. He is said to have taken a second wife, a 16-year-old housemaid, in 1833 — and 30 more wives over the next decade, to the disgust of some of his disciples.
 
Many deny that Mormonism is Christian at all.   ”Many of the evangelicals take a dim view of the Latter-day Saints. The Southern Baptists regularly label the Mormons as a dangerous cult. Although Christ is a central figure in Mormon beliefs, the church teaches that God has a material body, and was fathered by another God. Joseph Smith also said that man can ultimately ascend to heaven and become “what God is”: divine. This church today now is a byword for conservatism (95% of American Mormons voted for Bush in 2004) Latter-day Saints church today does not sanction plural marriage116 years after banning the practice . Polygamy is a constant embarrassment to this false  church in its quest for mainstream acceptance and top-level political influence.This false church  must shoulder some of the blame. It has sent mixed signals on plural marriages, turned a blind eye to polygamists in its own ranks decades after the ban, and done little to help victims of abuse. Although the church’s 1890 “manifesto” against polygamy prohibits it here on earth, the scriptures retain it as a celestial ideal for believers who find their way to the kingdom of heaven. Joseph Smith, the founding prophet of the Latter-day Saints church, declared his presidential candidacy in 1844, at a time when his followers were a community of outcasts in Illinois. In July that year, he was shot dead by an anti-Mormon at the age of 38, before his campaign even got going. His successor, Brigham Young, fled west to Utah with the remaining Saints .   .” In 2000,  was  Orrin Hatch, a softly spoken Mormon Republican senator from Utah, campaign for the US presidency was quickly crushed. Aa survey found that 17% of Americans would not vote for a Mormon US president under any circumstances. 
  
GOD STILL DOES PUNISH THE SIN OF ADULTERY/POLYGAMY

(2 Pet 2:13 KJV) And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

http://pbulow.tripod.com/polygamy.htm

 A common question asked of Christians who make an effort to witness to Mormons is:  “Why are you attacking Mormonism?  We never malign your faith, so why attack ours?”

The fact is, proving Mormonism to be a false doctrine is not an attack but a defense of the Christian faith.  Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism made the first attack by claiming that all Christian denominations are an abomination in God’s sight.  http://www.contenderministries.org/mormonism.php

 

 

Bell, BCE, Sympatico

You can get out of the Sympatcio Internet contract by cancelling your land line phone service? Or by telling the truth about Bell on the net.
  

Because even many managers in Canada, the government too  are not honest, do not tell the truth, they often also do lie as to the actual reasons their product prices are going up, and/or the quality of their services are going down, thus they are still helping to put themselves out of work, out of business eventually and to be rightfully dismissed too.

 
 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, Corporations who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
Bell, BCE shares plunge 12% after court ruling still needs to see how it’s customers do see Bell too…
 
Why is it that even so many managers and their subordinates too  falsely believe they will not reap what they sow now, the bad things they do included?
 
Bell is well over its glory days, and comparing to other operators around the world, it is a mediocre buy at that price. they have been caught sleeping at the wheel too often and not being fair to its customers too often too. They should do their homework first, build on solid ‘sound’ principles first and then see if somebody is willing to put money into it. For now it is simply a purchase of a skeleton out of tune with the industry and a history of burning up good Canadian talent at the expense of the shareholders, and at contempt for the bona fide user. Bell go back to your core business and do a good job and then its time will come. I am glad I own no teachers fund equity.”
 
“I see Bell Canada as an out-of-date behemoth. I recently paid my last ever bill to Bell Canada something I vowed to do in 1999 after realizing just how bad my Bell Canada abuse their land line customers. Recently, at long last, my internet provide, a cable co. began to offer phone over cable in my area. ‘
 
Bell have two very odd charges that add up to a lot of money. And at that, they are of course taxed making it worse:1) Network Access Fee. What is this? Why do we have to pay a fee to access the service that is offered as the landline. This is simply a naked cash grab.2) Touch Tone fee of $2.80. Bell Canada’s switches have been “modernized” for over 20 years where the switch circuit can equally take pulse (rotary dial) and tone dialing. Whether you operate a touchtone phone or a rotary dial, it makes absolutely no cost difference to Bell Canada. However, where about 13 M Canadian lines are paying touch-tone service, this amounts to a naked cash grab of $500M per year for Bell Canada.My Bell Canada landline was $28.69 with Bell Canada.
My Videotron cable phone is $16.95 for identical level of service.That works out to a hair under $160/year with taxes.  
 
Over 2M Canadians now have cable based phone. Most of those were former Bell Canada customers.

I will not miss Bell Canada at all. The Ontario Teachers’ Pension Fund should look very carefully at what it is that they are buying.”
 
 
Undeniably  a lot of people hate do Bell, many past dissatisfied customers who also do undeniably also vent their anger at the government’s, CRTC past poor inactions here too.
 
These comments above by others even do confirm what I have openly said before too that Bell has not only abused their past land line customers, and their internet customers because Bell still has much too many unacceptable poor executives, managers who do falsely abuse their customers, and Bell does try to make any false cash grabs from the customers, or rather plain  old fashion thefts from the customers, that they can and much too often? I have also clearly said before too that Bell cannot be trusted. Bell  needs to be fully regulated. And I have also rightly said someone should tell the Ontario school teachers’ what a bad deal  buying Bell is and that is now being done too.
 
BCE now looking to the Supreme Court for help instead of looking at itself, it’s poor mangers  is another absurdity or Bell threatening to sue me, cutting of my Sympatico internet  for telling the truth about Bell to others too is another unacceptable absurdity now too!!
 
Bell has only itself to blame for all of this, not anyone else, especially not the users, customers.
 
Just a reminder. There are many basic reasons for a Corporation’s downfall. Besides having selected bad, over paid or underpaid executives, managers, employees firstly there is the management style itself., which can include  theft and/or abusing the customers too, over pricing too. Now I am not alone, just one of many in these observations too. A firms starts to abuse the customers. so it’s sales volume and profitability reduces, so to compensate they often do a false survey, generally false cause they have no intention of facing up to their own negative contributions, basic truths, and/or  the blame it on others, unions, interest rates, banks, courts even.. sound recently familiar? So what do they generally do, well they tighter their belts, get rid of some of the employees, the fish begins to rots from the head, but they tend to cut of the tail first, and it still really does not help. So the bad Corporation managers they  tighten the belt some more, they now offer less services to the customers, and increase the pricing too? Sound familiar? Look at how Bell Sympatico had responded to their competitors, their internet services this year and the significant negative feedback, reaction they got too from their customers. The fact that Bell Sympatico, and Rogers too now in the last year have been the most hated, the most negatively discussed topic, corporations on Canada’s internet is undeniable too. Just also look at Bell’s higher pricing over the competition, and it now still also explains why Bell is at war also with it’s competitors and not just the customers too, and why Bell has undeniably so many dissatisfied customers now too. So the Corporations common solution of jacking up the prices, cutting back on the customer services of course predictably next it even leads to a more dramatic economic loss, loss of their customers,  and do you really think they amongst many others executive managers would learn from any of this? Management still had to cut off it’s own head, the bad exemplary  executive managers? The Corporation next had kept on   on tightening the belt so much that they next choked themselves to death, have come to an irreversible place. All simple too. I have seen the same thing been done by computer resellers, and also by large grocery corporations, such as Super C, Provigo, some managers still never do learn from their mistakes and the whole firm  suffers for it, especially next the shareholders.
  
Bell Sympatico next as per the last letter to me, contrary to my rightful objection is falsely going to disconnect my internet services with them as of May 31, 2008 to try to shut me up, they are going to breach my contract with me, and Jim Prentice, Consumer Affairs,  did, do not help in these matters to date. I got a useless reply from the federal consumer’s office too before , even from  Dussault.Madeleine@cb-bc.gc.ca,  like I had said  they  did  not do much good in these matters too to date. How many more citizens will have to wrongfully suffer because of the detail, witnessed  Bell’s immoral management before the federal consumer affairs department and CRTC deals with it all adequately and fully now too?
 
Capping: The Criminal Code of Canada’s section 184.2.c.i-ii DOES NOT warrant them to do packet sniffing. It allows them to ONLY ‘sample’ traffic for quality reasons. You need to remember that these rules were drafted to stop people making their own wire taps on phone technology. What the statement is saying is that: If I am a phone tech I am allowed to connect to the line to check for hums/crackels/dead-service and then do my job to fix it. With Internet traffic you may not capture a person’s traffic unless a court order is issued to do so. The subject of traffic shaping is very different…They are looking into packet headers and making changes that are not a privacy issue…

 “If you were half as good at running a company as you were at lobbying, maybe you’d have a better network,”  Quebecor executive vice-president Luc Lavoie who took a shot at the quality of Bell Canada’s cellphone service: . http://news.aol.ca/article/telecom-summit/258999/
   
 The future is wireless, some would say  and the  past way they have mismanaged their past land line, ISP services too,  clearly indicates they will do it also next with the wireless services too at the users, customers expenses…
  
Recent discussions by both Bell and Rogers on their Corporate need  to get more and more money, with even any excuse, still out of consumers, and to throttle the downloads,  only all clearly confirms the reality as to how poorly managed these same companies in reality are still.. They too now have been wrongfully over subsidized by the CRTC, the Canadian  federal governments now too… now it is rather time the citizens got the break, protection.
   
Reality- Dirty Dirty Bell Sympatico …the most abusive Corporation, firm I have dealt in Canada in my lifetime. Paul Kambulow
 
 Not acceptable, and Comments are not  needed  FOR THERE IS NO WAY TO DISPROVE THE TRUTH..

 

 

 

 
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Honourable Jim Prentice CorrespondenceMinister@ic.gc.ca
   
>From: “Prime Minister/Premier ministre” <pm@pm.gc.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:45 AM
To: “paul kambulow” 
Cc: “Jim Prentice, P.C., M.P.” <Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca>
Subject:  Office of the Prime Minister / Cabinet du Premier ministre> Dear Mr. Kambulow:
>
> On behalf of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, I would like to thank you for your e-mail, in which you raised an issue which falls within the portfolio of the Honourable Jim Prentice, Minister of Industry. The Prime Minister always appreciates receiving correspondence on subjects of importance to Canadians.
>
> Please be assured that the statements you made have been carefully reviewed. I have taken the liberty of forwarding your e-mail to Minister Prentice, so that he too may be made aware of your comments. I am certain that the Minister will give your views every consideration. For more information on the Government’s initiatives, you may wish to visit the Prime Minister’s Web site, at www.pm.gc.ca.
>
> L.A. Lavell
> Executive Correspondence Officer
> for the Prime Minister’s Office
       

Bell, BCE

Bell, BCE shares plunge 12% after court ruling still needs to see how it’s customers do see Bell too…
 
Why is it that even so many managers and their subordinates too  falsely believe they will not reap what they sow now, the bad things they do included?
Bell is well over its glory days, and comparing to other operators around the world, it is a mediocre buy at that price. they have been caught sleeping at the wheel too often and not being fair to its customers too often too. They should do their homework first, build on solid ‘sound’ principles first and then see if somebody is willing to put money into it. For now it is simply a purchase of a skeleton out of tune with the industry and a history of burning up good Canadian talent at the expense of the shareholders, and at contempt for the bona fide user. Bell go back to your core business and do a good job and then its time will come. I am glad I own no teachers fund equity.”
 
“I see Bell Canada as an out-of-date behemoth. I recently paid my last ever bill to Bell Canada something I vowed to do in 1999 after realizing just how bad my Bell Canada abuse their land line customers. Recently, at long last, my internet provide, a cable co. began to offer phone over cable in my area. ‘
 
Bell have two very odd charges that add up to a lot of money. And at that, they are of course taxed making it worse:1) Network Access Fee. What is this? Why do we have to pay a fee to access the service that is offered as the landline. This is simply a naked cash grab.2) Touch Tone fee of $2.80. Bell Canada’s switches have been “modernized” for over 20 years where the switch circuit can equally take pulse (rotary dial) and tone dialing. Whether you operate a touchtone phone or a rotary dial, it makes absolutely no cost difference to Bell Canada. However, where about 13 M Canadian lines are paying touch-tone service, this amounts to a naked cash grab of $500M per year for Bell Canada.My Bell Canada landline was $28.69 with Bell Canada. My Videotron cable phone is $16.95 for identical level of service.That works out to a hair under $160/year with taxes.            

Over 2M Canadians now have cable based phone. Most of those were former Bell Canada customers.

I will not miss Bell Canada at all. The Ontario Teachers’ Pension Fund should look very carefully at what it is that they are buying.”
 
 
Undeniably  a lot of people hate do Bell, many past dissatisfied customers who also do undeniably also vent their anger at the government’s, CRTC past poor inactions here too.
 
When Bell misleads,  lies and says it has the fastest internet speed in Canada that does not mean every home has that speed firstly, or continually for that matter too. Also be honest and fair when Bell lies and distorts it’s advertised internet downloads speed as being up to  7 megs,  maximum, rather Bell should honestly say it’s downloads speeds are a minimum of 1.1 megs or more.
 
These comments above by others even do confirm what I have openly said before too that Bell has not only abused their past land line customers, and their internet customers because Bell still has much too many unacceptable poor executives, managers who do falsely abuse their customers, and Bell does try to make any false cash grabs from the customers, or rather plain  old fashion thefts from the customers, that they can and much too often? I have also clearly said before too that Bell cannot be trusted. Bell  needs to be fully regulated. And I have also rightly said someone should tell the Ontario school teachers’ what a bad deal  buying Bell is and that is now being done too.
 
BCE now looking to the Supreme Court for help instead of looking at itself, it’s poor mangers  is another absurdity or Bell threatening to sue me, cutting of my Sympatico internet  for telling the truth about Bell to others too is another unacceptable absurdity now too!!
 
Bell has only itself to blame for all of this, not anyone else, especially not the users, customers.
 
Just a reminder. There are many basic reasons for a Corporation’s downfall. Besides having selected bad, over paid or underpaid executives, managers, employees firstly there is the management style itself., which can include  theft and/or abusing the customers too, over pricing too. Now I am not alone, just one of many in these observations too. A firms starts to abuse the customers. so it’s sales volume and profitability reduces, so to compensate they often do a false survey, generally false cause they have no intention of facing up to their own negative contributions, basic truths, and/or  the blame it on others, unions, interest rates, banks, courts even.. sound recently familiar? So what do they generally do, well they tighten their belts, get rid of some of the employees, the fish begins to rots from the head, but they tend to cut of the tail first, and it still really does not help. So the bad Corporation managers they  tighten the belt some more, they now offer less services to the customers, and increase the pricing too? Sound familiar? Look at how Bell Sympatico had responded to their competitors, their internet services this year and the significant negative feedback, reaction they got too from their customers. The fact that Bell Sympatico, and Rogers too now in the last year have been the most hated, the most negatively discussed topic, corporations on Canada’s internet is undeniable too. Just also look at Bell’s higher pricing over the competition, and it now still also explains why Bell is at war also with it’s competitors and not just the customers too, and why Bell has undeniably so many dissatisfied customers now too. So the Corporations common solution of jacking up the prices, cutting back on the customer services of course predictably next it even leads to a more dramatic economic loss, loss of their customers,  and do you really think they amongst many others executive managers would learn from any of this? Management still had to cut off it’s own head, the bad exemplary  executive managers? The Corporation next had kept on   on tightening the belt so much that they next choked themselves to death, have come to an irreversible place. All simple too. I have seen the same thing been done by computer resellers, and also by large grocery corporations, such as Super C, Provigo, some managers still never do learn from their mistakes and the whole firm  suffers for it, especially next the shareholders.
  
Bell Sympatico next as per the last letter to me, contrary to my rightful objection is falsely going to disconnect my internet services with them as of May 31, 2008 to try to shut me up, they are going to breach my contract with me, and Jim Prentice, Consumer Affairs,  did, do not help in these matters to date. I got a useless reply from the federal consumer’s office too before , even from  Dussault.Madeleine@cb-bc.gc.ca,  l;ike i had said  they  did  not do much good in these matters too to date. How many more citizens will have to wrongfully suffer because of the detail, witnessed  Bell’s immoral management before the federal consumer affairs department and CRTC deals with it all adequately and fully now too?
      
Cult (totalistic type): A group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgment, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it, etc.), designed to advance the goals of the group’s leaders, to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community. (West & Langone, 1986, pp. 119-120) and funny how that describes the past reactions of Both Bell and the CRTC to my post as well.. they also both banned me from their own internet sites for my posting the negative truths they do not want others to read.. 
   
>From: “Prime Minister/Premier ministre” <pm@pm.gc.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:45 AM
To: “paul kambulow” 
Cc: “Jim Prentice, P.C., M.P.” <Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca>
Subject:  Office of the Prime Minister / Cabinet du Premier ministre> Dear Mr. Kambulow:
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> On behalf of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, I would like to thank you for your e-mail, in which you raised an issue which falls within the portfolio of the Honourable Jim Prentice, Minister of Industry. The Prime Minister always appreciates receiving correspondence on subjects of importance to Canadians.
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> Please be assured that the statements you made have been carefully reviewed. I have taken the liberty of forwarding your e-mail to Minister Prentice, so that he too may be made aware of your comments. I am certain that the Minister will give your views every consideration. For more information on the Government’s initiatives, you may wish to visit the Prime Minister’s Web site, at www.pm.gc.ca.
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> L.A. Lavell
> Executive Correspondence Officer
> for the Prime Minister’s Office