Divisive Re: Dispensationalist , Plymouth Brethren

Sent:  Subject: Re: Dispensationalist , Plymouth Brethren
Sola Scriptura; Solus Christus; Sola Gratia. Sola Fide; Soli Deo Gloria!

Over 3 decades ago I wrote to John F Walwood, to which he had also replied and I said he was a liar for the Bible did not support his dispensational false teaching, and to this date I have been fully right, Today to him and his similar supporters, the Plymouth Dispensational Brethren I do still rightfully say the same thing too. They are still liars.

>>;Most of what you wrote concerning the teachings of those you refer to as “Plymouth Brethren” is just not true.
Most? of what I wrote , all I wrote is true.

>> I will first dispel your falsehood that we are hiding from what we really are and teach by writing this letter.  I, we are not hiding anything. Below is a detailed description of what I, we teach and by grace seek to practice. Show me the “false views on sins, accountability, grace, Israel and much more.”
>>As to the scriptural idea of dispensations,  the apostle Paul believed in dispensations. “That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:” Ephesians 1:10

 here you quickly had  proved your own deceit, you took one isolated verse, and made it a  plural even

>>What does scripture teach?  Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.  Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.  Is Christ divided?  (1 Cor. 1: 10-13)

 and yet the brethren cause, practice,  and have divisions amongst themselves from the start even.. one of the first being Rev George Muellar

>> The truth of Scripture is this. All true believers are all of Christ.  We declare it strongly and clearly, WE ARE ALL OF CHRIST, THAT IS, ALL WHO ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN!  ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE OF CHRIST AND SHOULD BE GATHERED IN NO OTHER NAME BUT CHRIST’S NAME.

 you are not true believers for you do not believe what the Bible, holy spirit says rather you reinterpret it to your liking,

>>So in accordance with scripture we only call ourselves by such names as are common to all true believers in Christ. Such as Christians, brethren, saints, believers and other such like names.  There is never an excuse not to obey the word of God. We can and ought to obey, even if no one else will.  We owe it to the One who redeemed us. What saith the Scriptures.  For where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them.  (Mat. 18:20)  True Christians only have authority to be gathered together in one name.  That name is the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and that name alone. This is authentic, primitive,  as in  original Christianity. This was the practice of the first century church.

There are Much too many typical Plymouth Dispensational Brethren and whether they are open or closed Brethren that are deceitful .. they are also those persons who do do still falsely and too often substitute next their own men ‘s teaching for the Christ’s, and while the Bible opposes divorce for Christian persons, the Plymouth Brethren undeniably even encourage divorce of any spouse Christian or not who does not heed to the full brethren doctrines, the wife does not need to listen to her husband in anything even if the husband who was to be the head of the home .

The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren undeniably as I too have witnessed do go behind the husbands back and will even encourage the wife to divorce her husband cause he is not a true Plymouth Dispensational Brethren contrary to the Bible.

(1 Cor 11:3 KJV) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Cor 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
1 Cor 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1 Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren tend to be WASP. white, Anglo Saxon, protestants still too, and the Plymouth Dispensational Brethren say that “We teach that all who place their faith and trust in Jesus Christ are immediately placed by the Holy Spirit into one united spiritual body, the church” is a lie for too many many real Christians are immediately rejected, shut out of the brethren church , excluded for not being dispensationalist. The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren also undeniable practice personal character assassination, slander, human rights abuse when they often do openly make a claim that anyone, any Christian who is a Pentecostal is an emotional, mentally disturbed individual as I have often witnessed myself as well.. The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren false views on sins, accountability, grace, Israel and much more too is an undeniable fact even if they lie and try falsely to say it is Authentic Christianity, or the Good News, the Gospel, that for sure it is not! Plymouth Dispensational Brethren it seems they like to hide from what they really are and teach.”While they the Plymouth Dispensational Brethren too often hide who they are by making the statement they are Christians, they certainly are not true Christians and for century have not been accepted by the major Christian churches.The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren to me rightfully are the wolves in sheep clothing, the false brethren who crept in amongst us falsely saying they are Christians.. they are a new group at it too.. since they started only in the 1800.. It would be rather generally accurate to say that they are racists, sectarian, divisional, hate mongers, anti Pentecostals, liars and slanders too.. and anyone does not heed to dispensational teach is evil, Ch Spurgeoen, Rev George Muellar, me included ehh “

There are too many false Christian brethren in the Plymouth Dispensational Brethren even falsely like to lump as one, wolves in sheep clothing, persons like Judas the apostle was false

What does scripture teach? Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? (1 Cor. 1: 10-13)

and yet the brethren themselves do often cause, practice, and have divisions amongst themselves from the start even.. one of the first being the dispensational brethren Rev George Muellar rejected many of their teachings.

So the same Jesus will say to them I never knew you (Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, that the day of Christ is at hand.” — 2 Thess. 2:1,2.Apostle Peter tells us in his second letter (1.16,19-2.3): For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty …. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place …. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you ….(1 Tim 1:7 KJV) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.(Heb 5:12 KJV) For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

>>When someone asks me who we are and how we describe ourselves, I tell them we are simply nothing more and nothing less than Christians gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.  And we do so on the basis, ground and principal that there is only one body of Christ and that all true Christians are of Christ and are part of the one body.

 In reality 70 percent of people professing to be Christians are really not even born again, saved, they are still not even Christians, no they are not all Christians in a church like you lie. There are too many false brethren in this bunch of Christians you falsely like to lump as one, wolves in sheep clothing, like Judas the apostle

>>;Over the years outsiders and historians have called us by names not of our choosing, but we have not and do not lay claim to any of them.  The “No Name Church”, “PB Church”, “PBer’s”, “The Brethren Church”, “Darbyites” and such like.  The history books often refer to us as Plymouth Brethren or those who started the Plymouth Brethren movement.  This Plymouth Brethren label came to be used in the early 1800s because an assembly of Christians gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in Plymouth England had a number of gifted preachers that traveled and preached throughout the country and because they were from the town of Plymouth, people would often refer to them as one of those brethren from Plymouth. Thus the label or designation Plymouth Brethren. It would be generally accurate to say that we are evangelical, dispensational, conservative and orthodox as to doctrine and practice.

 It would be rather  generally accurate for me again to say that   you mostly are still  false, liars, slanderers, sectarian,  divisional, hate mongers, anti Pentecostals, liars and slanders   too

>>We teach that the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith and practice (Matt. 5:18; 24:35; John 10:35; 16:12, 13; 17:17; 1 Cor. 2:13; 2 Tim. 3:15-17; Heb. 4:12; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21) We teach that the Bible is God’s written revelation to man, and that the 66 books of the Bible given to us by the Holy Spirit constitute the inspired Word of God (1 Cor. 2:7-14; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21). We teach that the Word of God is verbally inspired in every word (2 Tim. 3:16), absolutely inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. We teach the literal, grammatical-historical-contextual-dispensational  interpretation of Scripture. We teach that God spoke in His written Word by a process of divine and human authorship. The Holy Spirit so superintended the human authors that, through their individual personalities and different styles of writing, they composed and recorded God’s Word to man (2 Pet. 1:20, 21) without error in the whole or in the part (Matt. 5:18; 2 Tim. 3:16). We teach that, whereas there may be several applications of any given passage of Scripture, there is but one true interpretation.

ha ha ha the Brethren one of course..

>>The meaning of Scripture is to be found as one diligently applies the literal, grammatical-historical-contextual-dispensational method of interpretation under the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit (John 7:17; 16:12-15; 1 Cor. 2:7-15; 1 John 2:20). The Scripture is its own best interpreter by comparing Scripture with Scripture.  (1 Cor. 2:13)  It is the responsibility of all believers to carefully search out the true intent and meaning of Scripture and that the Scriptures stand in judgment of men; never ought men stand in judgment of it. (Heb. 4:12,13)

 that is mere hypocrisy, for  mind you the brethren insist you read their soley their recommended commentaries.. and follow only their teachers

>>We teach that the Holy Spirit administers spiritual gifts to the church.

 but you also add to the word of God and lying say all his gifts have now ceased

>>All men are thus sinners by nature, by choice, and by divine declaration (Psa. 14:1-3; Jer. 17:9; Rom. 3:9-18, 23; 5:10-12)

  Including most of the brethren now still too

>>kept by God’s power and are thus secure in Christ forever

which is contrary to the Bible  https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/the-promises-of-eternal-life-by-jesus-christ/

>>We teach that the local assembly is autonomous and free from any central authority or control other than Christ who is the head of the Church.

the control is mostly still  by your bad elders.. and you do still falsely and too often substitute next men ‘s teaching for the Christ’s.

>>We teach that there were two kinds of gifts given to the early church: miraculous gifts of divine revelation and healing, given temporarily in the apostolic era for the purpose of confirming the authenticity of the apostles’ message ( 2 Cor. 12:12; Heb. 2:3, 4); and ministering gifts, given to equip believers for edifying one another. With the New Testament revelation now complete, Scripture becomes the sole test of the authenticity of a man’s message, and confirming gifts of a miraculous nature are no longer necessary to validate a man or his message (1 Cor. 13:8-12). Miraculous gifts can even be counterfeited by Satan so as to deceive even believers (Matt. 24:24). The only gifts in operation today are those non-revelatory equipping gifts given for edification (Rom. 12:6-8). We teach that no one possesses the sign gift of healing today but that God does hear and answer the prayer of faith and will answer in accordance with His own perfect will for the sick, suffering, and afflicted (Luke 18:1-8; John 5:7-9; 2 Cor. 12:6-10; James 5:13-16; 1 John 5:14, 15).

 That is all brethren dunk only.. not the word of God for my experience in the baptism of the Holy Sprit is real and so are my speaking, praying in tongues , something you cannot talk about cause you have never firstly personal  experienced it

 Like I said read all of my post they disprove all you believe in and often

ses also

http://monergist.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/95-theses-against-dispensationalism/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/how-to-pray-for-healing/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/dispensationalist-plymouth-brethren/

Mind you the brethren have to next attack me with personal slander

>>Your biterness betrays you

they you do not know me well enough to be a false judge of me..

Again now do read all my posts.. telling the truth about the Brethren is not bitterness, but my real honesty for  even a doctor tells negative truths.

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/lies-slander-personal-defamation-on-the-net-be-warned/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/relgion-finding-out-the-facts-discovering-the-truth/

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  1. protoprotestant

     /  September 14, 2016

    I enjoyed reading this. I’m not sure if I can quantify things as you do but generally speaking I agree that because of Dispensationalism and the legacy of Finney… most modern Evangelicals aren’t even Christians.
    Sadly Progressive Dispensationalism has embraced Dominionism, the other heretical theology that has now come to completely dominate the Evangelical scene regardless of whether one is Dispensationalist or not.
    Pardon for the self-promotion but these articles may be of interest:

    http://proto-protestantism.blogspot.com/2015/01/dominionism-in-dallas-and-new.html
    http://pilgrimunderground.blogspot.com/2015/08/dispensationalisms-bloody-record.html
    http://pilgrimunderground.blogspot.com/2015/05/dispensationalism-and-14-may-1948.html

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