Hell is real

JESUS SAYS COME

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Christians, know that we are not saved by our own good deeds and righteous works, but by the Love and mercy of God. He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross to suffer for our sins; and if we believe on Jesus and accept Him into our hearts, we are forgiven.-

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And, as John 3:36 promises, “He that believes on the Son of God has Everlasting Life”! “For it is given unto men once to die, and after this the Judgement”–Hebrews 9:27. But God will send you straight to Hell and later the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, because you had personally rejected Jesus as God and his plan of Salvation for you. He who willfully and rebelliously hardens their heart and completely rejects the Lord’s mercy and Salvation, is worthy of Hell! Jesus said, “He that rejects Me and receives not My Word has…

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Dispensationalism” is an ABOMINATION

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It wasn’t until the early or mid 1800’s that there was any significant group of believers around the world that looked for a “rapture” of the Church prior to a seven-year tribulation period. The “secret rapture” teaching was NOT taught by the early Church, it was NOT taught by the Church of the first centuries, it was NOT taught by the Reformers, IT WAS NOT TAUGHT BY ANYONE It is a new false teaching

Dispensationalism is a man made system of arbitrarily dividing up God’s dealings with man into certain time periods. http://www.examiner.com/article/how-the-false-doctrine-of-dispensationalism-has-damaged-christianity-1

When a doctrine has been around just long enough and becomes popular, its momentum carries itself onward for many years to come. We can think of some denominational traditions that are found no where in the Bible that have simply been around so long and have become so ingrained within their followers that you simply cannot jar…

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what does the word chosen mean in the Bible?

Missing the point?

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The problem even with the Messianic Jews and most  JEWS  is that they are color blind.. they can only see things through a Jewish perspective.. not the reality..http://postedat.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/the-problem-even-with-the-messianic-jews-is/

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JESUS  HAD WARNED THE JEWS  IN JERUSALEM ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM AND IT’S TEMPLE AND WHY AS WELL.
Matthew 23:37,38:O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent to you, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not!
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Now most of the Jews of their day (especially the Essenes and the Pharisees) even most Jews today  were looking falsely for a Jewish Messiah to come who would restore national Israel, set up an earthly kingdom,and were surprised Jesus was talking about the destruction of the temple and the desolation of Israel next instead, Jesus  rather indicated the desolation next…

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Believe and Seek the truth only

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John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

It is undeniable that whether accidental or deliberate there is a significant attempt to mislead people from Jesus Christ’s sole way of Salvation from Hell to heaven by many persons or groups..  Including Judiazers, Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons too..

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

There are many rather still fools, even ignorant Christians who think that they can merely obtain God’s favor by keeping any of the laws of the Old Testament.. these deceived persons all fail to realize that the Old Testament were written to…

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And what are you really like now too?

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I really do think that most of the people who plaster their self portraits, photos, in massive size and quantity on the internet are still falsely looking for love and acceptance on the net, or they have a big ego, are self centered, narcissistic, or they really are looking for sex or want to get married soon.. Some of the same truths seem to apply to the people who have to do massive posts on the net, who want to see mainly their own names there too.. most of the people but not all.. which reminds me..http://1inspirational.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/proud-in-heart/
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Matthew 20: 27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

The heart knows its own bitterness ( Proverbs 14:10)

Keep and guard your heart with all vigilance and above all that you guard, for out of it flow the springs of life” (Proverbs 4:23 AMP).

Narcissism…

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the New Covenant is not a continuation of the old TESTAMENT

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It is amazing how new testament Bible ignorant persons falsely dispute the facts about Jews, Israel and Messianic Jews.. The New Covenant, the New testament, has replaced the Old Covenant, the old Testament.. the New Covenant is not a continuation of the old but it’s substitute.  Judaism, plus JEWS   are now dead to God and is Satanic! “…I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” —Revelation 2:9  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2013/11/12/the-inheritance-of-abraham-a-report-on-the-promised-land/
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WORLD’S OLDEST BOOK:  Bible published in full online  Along with the Codex Vaticanus, the Codex Sinaiticus is considered the oldest known Bible in the world. It was written in Greek . It is now preserved in the Vatican Museum, a GREEK OLD TESTAMENT was used by the Jews under the Roman rule in their Jewish synagogues. The New testament originally was  written only in Greek and it is a lie…

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JESUS ALONE IS MY SHEPHERD

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Isaiah 66:2 KJV) For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite  spirit, and trembleth at my word.
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PSALM 23:1    THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD; I SHALL NOT WANT. 2  HE MAKETH ME TO LIE DOWN IN GREEN PASTURES: HE LEADETH ME BESIDE THE STILL WATERS. 3  HE RESTORETH MY SOUL: HE LEADETH ME IN THE PATHS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR HIS NAME’S SAKE. 4  YEA, THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH, I WILL FEAR NO EVIL: FOR THOU ART WITH ME; THY ROD AND THY STAFF THEY COMFORT ME. 5  THOU PREPAREST A TABLE BEFORE ME IN THE PRESENCE OF MINE ENEMIES: THOU ANOINTEST MY HEAD WITH OIL; MY CUP RUNNETH OVER. 6  SURELY GOODNESS AND MERCY SHALL…

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there still can be a good life after divorce with God’s help…

>>My ex-husband smokes pot and drinks a lot, and I am told, so does his girlfriend. He once told me that I am too righteous because I don’t drink or do drugs, and I attend church.

that was a verbal abuse if I have ever seen one..

so do thank God daily that he has now removed your from this  abusive relationship..

and do ask Him, God  to take all the tears away and he will.

(Psa 4:8 KJV)  I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.

 
(Rev 21:4 KJV)  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

there still can be a good life after divorce with God’s help…

 

Truly any type of abuse is unacceptable and anywhere too

and exposing it loudly in public as well as calling the police is the best way to deal with it for everyone’s benefit, the abuser included.

God himself clearly does not accept verbal, physical, or human rights abuses

(Mat 18:6 KJV) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

(Mat 18:7 KJV) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

(Mat 18:8 KJV) Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

No we ALL cannot STOP, take the ostrich approach under the guise of love to the definite bad acts of others, we as Christians are still called to be fruit inspectors of those who profess to be Christians ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY RARELY QUOTE IT in actual context OR LIVE THE BIBLE THEY CLAIM THEY BELIEVE IN-

(Gen 31:42 KJV) Except the God of my father, the God of Abraham, and the fear of Isaac, had been with me, surely thou hadst sent me away now empty. God hath seen mine affliction and the labour of my hands, and rebuked thee yesternight.

(Lev 19:17 KJV) Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

(Neh 5:7 KJV) Then I consulted with myself, and I rebuked the nobles, and the rulers, and said unto them, Ye exact usury, every one of his brother. And I set a great assembly against them.

(Psa 119:21 KJV) Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments.

(Prov 24:25 KJV) But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.

(Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love.

(Eccl 7:5 KJV) It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.

(Mat 17:18 KJV) And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

(Mark 1:25 KJV) And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.

(Mark 4:39 KJV) And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

(Mark 8:33 KJV) But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

(1 Tim 5:20 KJV) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

(2 Tim 4:2 KJV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

(Titus 1:13 KJV) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

(Titus 2:15 KJV) These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

(Heb 12:5 KJV) And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Discern It

 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 

“Is the Holy Spirit the focus of your church? Georgian Banov’s Blasphemous Prophecy at Todd Bentley’s “Ordination.”
 
” In Todd Bentley’s initiation “ordination” ceremony last week one George Banov spoke providing Bentley a ‘prophetic word.’  I must say that initially, at least, he was a welcome relief following the demonic, frenetic, wild head shakin’ thang of Stacey Campbell.  Banov comes in at  6:00 minutes:A quick internet search could not produce much info on Banov; but, he’s obviously of the same heretical Latter Rain ‘stream’ as the others on stage. The reason I wish to call attention to this is the fact that in his ‘word’ Banov uses two Messianic prophetic scriptures and claims God told him these were for Bentley!  Here’s the transcription:  “Todd on behalf of the Eastern European nations and former Communist Countries, we want to tell you that we acknowledge and honor what’s upon you.  And, we give you the keys for Eastern Europe — especially the poor, the rejected, the gypsies. “And The Lord says that because you’ve loved his personal presence there are two anointings that are released on His presence and I just want to release those two anointings on you from the LORD.  By the way, the Lord says ‘you are well pleasing son.’ The Father, Abba, says that to you personally.  The first anointing is the anointing of the pleasure of the LORD.  [emphasis mine] “’Surely He has borne our grief, sickness and weakness and carried our sorrow and the pain and the punishment of us all. He was considered stricken, smitten and afflicted by God; but, He was bruised for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities and chastisement that brought our peace came upon him and by His stripes we were healed and made whole.’  [Isaiah 53:4-6]  And, yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him and in His presence there is fullness of joy and pleasure for evermore. [This is apparently a paraphrase of more than one scripture with another.] And, God’s releasing his pleasure of what He did to Jesus upon you Todd. “And, the second anointing that he wants to release upon you is in Psalm 45 but it’s also in Hebrews chapter one verse nine.  It says, ‘Because you have loved righteousness and you have delighted in integrity and virtue and uprightness in heart and thought and action and you have hated injustice and iniquity; therefore God, your God has anointed you with the oil of exultant joy and gladness above and beyond your companions.’  We bless you.” Not only does he quote two Messianic scriptures and applies these to Bentley, he even goes so far as to claim that the Lord referred to Todd as a ‘well pleasing son’ thus putting Bentley on par with Jesus! [Matthew 3:17; Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22]  Does this not show this group to be promoting Manifest Sons of God doctrine – part of the heresy of the Latter Rain teachings?  And, no one batted an eyelash on stage or in the audience.   In fact, they clapped and cheered.   I wish to point out that there is only one true ( source of the ) anointing( as opposed to many ??)  – the anointing of the Holy Spirit upon true believers who accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.  24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.  26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit — just as it has taught you, remain in him.  [1 John 2:20-27 NIV] To promote that we can attain Christlikeness this side of glory is tantamount to denying Jesus Christ’s exclusive Divinity as the One and only Son of God.  As the Apostle John points out above, this is the spirit of antichrist. submitted by Lee  “
 
Nice to note the reference to the poor too but I undeniably, for sure have received many different anointings in my life for various specific services from the Holy spirit by the laying on of hands now too,
 
“Lee, “in your opinion, Bentley’s fails”? Do you not value others opinions? Do you believe you can be wrong on this? This is what I meant when I referred to a wrong interpretation of scripture.”
 
“How do you handle it when other Christians disagree with you?  Lee “
 
“And, remember, always share humbly that you may be wrong. Your interpretation of the matter may be wrong. You respect their position, even if it’s contrary to your human interpretation of a non-absolute of scripture. Don’t butcher them publicly and them him hurt and attacked. Rather, pray for them, speak well of them, love them and lift them up. Beyond that, it’s not your battle to fight. “
 
And thenonconformer next said.. It is very clear that the much too many false Critics of the Pentecostals will try to grasp at any straws to falsely bash the Pentecostal and still try to justify their immoral acts..

Any Christian being plagued with critics, opponents, unsubstantiated personal attacks too now, is really nothing new even to the past apostles, prophets , Jesus Christ himself who have face many similar bullies, groups etc., the devil is too ready an accuser of the Brethren, and tries to continually discredit any work of God even since the time of Jesus Christ himself now too even using inapplicable and distorted Biblical reasons and Bible verses now too
I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings any of of the latter rain churches..
   
A MAJORITY OF THE CRITICS OF THE LATTER DAY REVIVALS, are too clearly their often diverting back wrongfully the topic discussions, making often personal insulting, unacceptable derogatory remarks is even THEIR typical unChristlike bulling Reponses, self righteous, a superiority attitude, and what else? is not the right approach from anyone and it does continue to reflect poorly on ALL OF THEM STILL too…
 
THE WAY THEY THEMSELVES DO UNDENIABLY POINT FINGERS AT THEIR SELF DEFINED OPPONENTS, IN A JUDGMENTAL MANNER, UNLOVING, UNKIND, UNJUSTIFIABLE MANNER IS CLEARLY THE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE NOW TOO.
 
And very revealing what they are firstly like themselves
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/understanding-me-and-others-better/
 
 “To the non conformer- Got any examples there or are you just ranting? For the record, I believe in Charismatic gifts and vehemently oppose these latter rain revivals. You’ve simply dismissed any opposition to this heresy as unloving and unkind by using blanket statements like: “I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly…” “and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings any of of the latter rain churches…”  “…making often personal insulting, unacceptable derogatory remarks is even THEIR typical unChristlike bulling Reponses, self righteous, a superiority attitude…””
 
In reply now thenonconformer said  I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real absurdity. Don’t get desperate but get real… like I have rightfully said I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings of any of the latter rain churches..  I did not say Charismatic supposedly churches.. cause we know those often mean rather the Catholic Pentecostals.. as to what the Bible says is only how you here do interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit.  I have been a Christian for 50 years and a Pentecostal pastor for the last 30 years, and I have attended the latter day churches too and often.. and specifically what about you? not the supposed others..  The Latter Rain movement was rejected by the AoG Pentecostals in 1948 as heretical… and they are speaking for God now.. dream on.. There are other pentacostal denominations who support them, approve of them, me included. The full Gospel Business Men’s fellowship uses a similar approach for decades now too. many persons bashing other Pentecostals with clearly a hidden agenda is still the wrong thing to do now too.. they are not doing it in love or humility Cleary as required by the Bible now too.  http://pbulow.tripod.com/ http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST http://postedat.wordpress.com/
 
You ask “are you ranting”… my how you like to bash, insult people.. you do not know to even try to judge them, quite immature and unspiritual too.. looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone, cause you do not act like it for sure… nor do I hope you abuse all the people like that who make a post here.. a sure way to next lose many people still too. Stay in God’s love and not rather in the flesh.. we may not agree, do have a right to differ, but we still do need to show love to the others. Need more input from me on the subjects.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites.. including http://postedat.wordpress.com http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/
 
You say  ” Todd Bentley is a savage wolf in sheep’s clothing and a false apostle, who is being led by a counterfeit “Jesus” and “spirit”” , Bud  “
 
Thenonconformer, “my how you like to bash, insult people..” “…looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone…” Tell me what is even scriptural right about this one sided, bullying, bashing, lying, a argumentative, ungodly, unchristlike posts clearly not done in love too.. hope you still do not profess to be a Christian, cause you give a really bad image to the real Christians.
 
>>What am I missing out on by not falling into line with the latter rain heresy? Salvation? “The next wave?” Becoming a “manifest Son of God” (i.e. Jesus)? Why should I conform as you have (contrary to your name) to this heretical doctrine?  
and you lie and distort often what I have said still too.. I never asked you to fall in line, I had asked you to act like real Christians, and show real love, not mostly hatred rather..   Like i have said When you talk about what the scriptures says you honestly should also point out that you mean it is how you now interpret what the scripture says.. cause too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly.. The people who also tell us to use only the Bible often still lie further to us.. they ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy spirit to next interpret the Bible. (Eph 4:18 KJV) Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

I tend to look at both sides of the issues myself.. for that matter I have now been both non Christian, and Christian, both Baptist and Pentecostal, and both groups still do have major errors, weakness, inadequacies, and they now also have some good points too.. but still there is no such thing as a perfect denomination now as well
But one other thing often is clearly is evident to me visiting, reading the many so called Professing Christians sites mostly all telling us the supposed truth, postings often more with dishonest hidden agendas, poorly researched too, very biased now too.. It also seems to me they are also still are trying to convince themselves as to what is the truth is and no one else, they build up their own false straw arguments, and then do reply to their own arguments. It is generally too often now not an honest presentation, discussion of the topic they have presented.
 
Why is it so many people (control freaks)  try too limit the power of God, and they work so hard to try to tell us what God can and cannot do today.. for sure, definitely it is not only cause they are spiritually immature, have a hidden agenda, are promoting themselves, or they are unoriginal parrots who repeat what others have said , but it is often still mainly because Satan for sure is behind all this too.
    
Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,(Jer 32:27 KJV) Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

 

Aside from that fact many do not know, read , they do not understand the scriptures, the Bible in reality but merely mouth what they think or what others have said instead..
 
Latter rain is a term referring to the new outpouring of the Holy Spirit on today’s Pentecostals. The events of Pentecost are known as the former rain.
The idea of latter rain comes from this Old Testament text, which precedes Joel’s prophecy that God will pour out his Spirit on all people:
Be glad, O people of Zion,
rejoice in the LORD your God,
for he has given you
the autumn rains in righteousness.
He sends you abundant showers,
both autumn and spring rains, as before.
Joel 2:23
The early Pentecostals connect their own experience of the Spirit with that of the disciples, and Peter’s quoting of Joel’s prophecy in Acts 2: 16-21 is a further prophecy that God would pour out his Spirit again at a later time.
They tend to state that the pouring out of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost as the early autumn rain, and the second pouring out of the Spirit, that they were experiencing, as the later spring rains; the Latter Rain.
The idea of latter rain is found throughout many denominations of Pentecostalism, but specifically the Latter Rain Movement, founded in 1948, teaches that the second coming of Jesus is due to happen soon and that latter rain is evidence for this.
 
I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real absurdity.
 
Don’t get desperate but get real… like I have rightfully said I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings of any of the latter rain churches..
 
I did not say Charismatic supposedly churches.. cause we know those often mean rather the Catholic Pentecostals..
 
as to what the Bible says it is only how you here do interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit.
 
Need more input from me on the subjects.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites.. including http://postedat.wordpress.com http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/
 
Some people would say I too have never seen alcohol do one good thing for anyone rather mostly a lot of evil.. . and do look at things associated with alcohol…bars, strip clubs, drunks, DUI’s, addiction and the like. Tell me who your friends are and I can always tell what you are like too. These are not activities a true Christian should participate in. Therefore, it is better to SHUN even an appearance of evil. And yes Christians are commanded that our bodies are not to be mastered by anything…our bodies are the temple of God. We are always to be in self control. not rather selfish oriented. Also, the wine Jesus and the apostle used, wine was likely not fermented in biblical times as it is today, it was rather grape juice, and was unlikely to cause drunkenness as easily. Falsely for too many professing Christians Smoking, Homosexuality is okay, drinking alcohol is okay, using profanity is okay, tax evasion is OK, Cheating, lying, stealing is OK.. Get a real life. Get Jesus It does sounds like many always rejected the truth of the Bible, Jesus and have finally found a denomination that supports their sin. The Gospel according to them. Lucky them? Not at all. They also tend to show the mental sloppiness, dishonesty common to the liberals, bashers of Pentecostals and fundamentalists, not those elf real Christians for sure.
 
A preacher had recently written to me and said to me that we all should get more of the Word into us, meaning the Bible, but what we all do need is more of the Holy Spirit, starting with His fruit of love, for I also now could not help but notice how unkind, proud, arrogant this preacher still was himself.. too many preachers now know the Word but they seem too easily forget to also live it themselves firstly, and I rightfully would rather see a sermon practiced, then merely hear it lip service preached too. Much too easier to preach it to others, harder to live it oneself..
 
(Neh 8:10 KJV) Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength
 
” I see there is some objection to calling Latter Rain a heresy, as well as Banov’s comments to Bentley. In particular, here is one comment I’d like to address: “It is very clear that the much too many false Critics of the pentecostals will try to grasp at any straws to falsely bash the pentecostal and still try to justify their immoral acts..”

I would like to point out that it was the Assembly of God, a pentecostal denomination, who believes in the practice of all the spiritual gifts, who officially declared that Latter Rain was heretical.”
 
“I doubt your comment above about the AoG declaring Latter Rain a heresy will have much affect. Someone else further up the thread already pointed that out and basically that fact was laughed at as inconsequential.”
 
“Is it not possible that Todd loves righteousness and has delighted in integrity? “
 
“The problem with these comments comes down to arrogance, in all humility when you guys bash “Fuller” that tells me you are coming at this from with far more “pride” than you are compassion. If a brother is in error go to them, have you written Todd Bentley a certified letter? Do you have compassion?”
 
“Lee unfortunately all your responses are based on “your” interpretation of Scripture. Your foundation is not Scripture, but yourself and how you interpret it.
There is no truth to the accusations you are making against Todd Bentley. I pray that your eyes would be opened to all you are missing in the Holy Spirit.

 Am I saying everything Todd Bentley does or has ever done is correct? No, I have not seen everything, what I have seen has been done with integrity, with the power of God, with humility and with a focus on Jesus Christ and Him being worshipped. Also unless you have any experience with healing, miracles, prophecy, resurrections, encounters with God, etc you have no right to make a judgement. You have no experience with which to even judge or speak to others about. Until you are doing the works of Jesus your interpretation of Scripture is worth little. Your Kingdom of God is based your talk, the one in the Bible is based on power. I pray your eyes would be opened to the more that God has for you!”

thenonconformer said.. If you don’t answer questions, whatever. It is cause what I have posted is very clear and undeniable too already and because I am not foolish to play your fighting game, get a real life and act like a real christian.. and here is what I have posted about the OAG
 

The Assemblies of God Pentecostal supporters, members are noted for their opposition to the Florida Lakeland revival, and to the Latter day movement.. and I rightfully as I do dislike their too often abusive unchristian like posts too.. but why the opposition? Jealous? How wordly, ungoldy? It supposedly competes with their own revival?
“I have just returned from Buffalo and am now home in Pensacola. What awesome services on Sunday! Pastor Tommy Reid said to his congregation, “There are moments when God moves in a church and today is one of them!” I am always humbled when the Lord moves. From the first service at 8 am to the last service at 11:30 God moved in all three. The first service, which is mainly seniors, had a wonderful sense of God’s power! As I prayed for the saints of the church, each one fell under the power of God! How humbling! When the second service crowd started to move into the sanctuary they saw their beloved seniors prostrate out on the floor! That’s enough to build anyone’s faith. I had the privilege of praying for probably another two to three hundred people. The second service rolled right into the third service which is primarily a multi cultural service. God was faithful and moved again touching lives at the altar! http://www.brownsville-revival.org/
 
and like many other Pentecostals, Alliance, Baptist, Evangelical Churches they falsely do not include helping poor people in their own churches as an essential Christian doctrine now too? why?
 
(Rom 15:26 KJV) For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. (2 Cor 9:9 KJV) (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. (Gal 2:10 KJV) Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. (James 2:5 KJV) Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?  (James 2:6 KJV) But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
 
“I just quickly read your most recent post; and, I’m not sure why you insist on bringing in things totally unrelated to the post. You have no idea if anyone who posts here does or does not give to the poor in our own churches. I don’t even wish to field a response to it. Please refrain from these excursions in the future or your entire post will be deleted.”
 
 thenonconformer replied  Actually I said their church doctrines do not include  giving to the poor and why was that ? you yourself had referred to the poor people in your starting address..
 
thenonconformer replied  I HAVE RIGHTFULLY BECOME SUSPICIOUS OF WHAT I HEAR, READ, AND TEST IT RIGHTFULLY TOO.. and I do even look for their too often, false hidden agendas as well.. Now some persons not help but notice that bashing of the mostly white man’s Latter Day Pentecostal revival, denomination by the Mostly Black AOG Pentecostal movement? is this what it is really all about now here too? But also I have never said that the Latter Day Pentecostal revival leaders were saints, in fact I have often said the opposite and for specific valid reasons. But I see no valid Proof still that Todd Bentley is totally wrong..
 
I was in a super great Church once, ( a latter day denomination- The Calgary Christian Centre) even though the Pastors were stealing, abusing the funds, committing adultery, counseling divorce, gossiping, slandering, lying, and so forth. The Holy Spirit due to the prayers of some of the faithful persons there was really moving in their services, and many people were getting saved, healed and delivered, and the praise and worship services were really great. God specifically had told me to go to this church as well, but he had put a condition on it, he said do not talk with, communicate, fellowship with any of the pastors. I had done some great personal counseling in that Church as well.. met some great and also bad people.
 
But eventually one day next came when I had to talk to the same pastors, and even to tell them that God was going to get rid of them, to next deal with them negatively and God did! God next broke down this large Calgary church because it had grown big in size and had become perverse. All of the pastors were next removed from it as well.

Micah 3:6 KJV) Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. 8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.  

I had good reasons supposedly for not Pastoring once, one of which was there now supposedly were plenty of other good Pastors, much better Pastors than me around.. and both arguments were lies as God himself next showed me firsthand when I interviewed about 45 evangelical pastors.. even about their marital counselling practises… which is almost none! This is also really surprising when about 70 percent of all people even in the churches tend to have major marital problems sooner or later.. Pretender, liar and that is so typical of evangelical pastors in Canada, elders, and pastors of the false Christian Missionary Alliance church now too. I wrote about this false church before too. No wonder most of the evangelical pastors as well do commit adultery, or steal, commit tax evasions, gossip, slander, abuse others and falsely counsel divorce now too. In reality 70 percent of all of the the pastors are still really bad, still doing a real bad job.. for firstly they tend not to use the Bible at all in their own personal counseling practices but rather they tend to do use an immoral, humanistic, psychological approach, or they simple say get divorced and wrongfully too. Their actual daily usage of the Bible, not books really can show you how good or bad pastors they still are, and never mind what useless Bible college or commentary also that they graduated from still.

 
Many persons go to church expecting personally to be helped by the pastor and they do next walk away disappointed. Their first normal mistake was having any personal expectations of any help from the Pastors, even though this may be an honest expectation, for our help is in the Lord and all our expectations should come only of Him.
 
Try to go to church expecting only to see Jesus Christ, to get any desired help from Jesus only, and not any man, or women, and expect nothing else, have no expectation of any good from the pastors, elders and you certainly will next not be disappointed.
Because of my poor health I have had to retire from a physicaly active Ministry and next many people could not understand how I could be by myself alone, for such long periods of time, and for me it is very easy for I have Jesus to go directly to talk with, I do prefer his company above all others rightfully too. Learn to talk to Him directly about your concerns, not firstly the Pastors!!
 
(Luke 9:36 KJV) And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen. (John 8:9 KJV) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst
 
Secondly the majority of these pastors they do not provide at all any real counselling help to their own flock in need even in their own churches, and especially not related to marital, employment problems also even in Evangelical, Pentecostal churches. This approach of their is not really pastoring.. this is stealing money from the sheep! Sadly most pastors seem to want to only to preach, to talk big and to be praised for it, to be recognized, and admired by the others, for they tend to have a false, big ego that they want filled, but they still wrongfully not want to do also the real work, the dirty work at the sheep’s level.. Yes these same pastoral hypocrites also do falsely tend to lie, slander others , gossip and also to delegate blame on one of the spouses even in a martial problem situation, even with invalid still reasons, basically for them not to personally get involved. The pastor would say something like the husband or the wife was at fault.. so the pastor is still talking only about the negative symptoms of a real marital problem, and what is he real or false solution rather.. pass the buck wrongfully still to the others? Unacceptable and I would rightfully not give any of my money at all to this type of Pastor or his Church!
 
Pastoral marriage counselling it is also still mandatory for all Pastors, all of them too, it is mandatory still that they do also help each and every sheep in their flock, and do home visits as well.. and these two also are not optional.. but sadly majority of Pastors they really still do not have love for the sheep.. and doing the dirtier jobs they wrongfully run away for it.. and God himself told me that this was all was immorally acts on the part of both of these pastors.. I never run away from any hard counselling.. for I got God to help me.. Do thus tell the pastor that up to 70 percent of the people have marriage problems, it is always the biggest pastoral need too.. and if he does not do this work than he is really not a real pastor.. just another hireling, or a wolf in sheep clothing.. You do clearly also have my permission to send these remarks to them as well! I have already personally fired about 25 pastors in my life time.. and I do not hesitate to publicly expose them, rebuke them rightfully remove them from office still.. any of the bad ones..
 
(Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love. (Luke 17:3 KJV) Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. (Phil 2:15 KJV) That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; (1 Tim 5:20 KJV) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. (2 Tim 4:2 KJV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. (Titus 1:13 KJV) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; (Titus 2:15 KJV) These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. (Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Better to be rebuked by me than God next directly, for God then will not be so forgiving.. (Psa 18:39 KJV) For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me 40 Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me. 41 They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not. 42 Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets. (Psa 18:44 KJV) As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me: the strangers shall submit themselves unto me. 45 The strangers shall fade away, and be afraid out of their close places. (Psa 18:46 KJV) The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted. 47 It is God that avengeth me, and subdueth the people under me. 48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man. (Psa 18:49 KJV) Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name. 50 Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and showeth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.
 
The trouble with anyone lying is that soon one will likely end up believing in one’s own lies and one tends to live out the lies next, to act upon their false delusions.This applies to people who lie to the courts, to politicians who lie to the citizens as well.. to Pastors who lie to their congregations.. Now I have personally seen this happen many times .. For example a pastor was personally asked to repent of his own immorality. His own family asked him if the charges were true. The pastor replied you cannot believe anything the persons says he is crazy.. Soon the pastor’s family started to worry about this supposedly crazy person. To keep up the pretense the pastor even bought next a bullet proof car for protection for himself. This increased the stress upon his own family.. They lived out the pastor’s lie.. This was a punishment for the lies now as well. This same truth applies to ANYONE, Minister, lawyers, spouses who lie to us or the courts too. In the end the pastor still lost his church anyway, because he next was still exposed for his wrong doings, cause you cannot lie to everyone.. some people saw the truth.. and did something good about it too.. they let the Pastor go.
 
(James 4:17 KJV) Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. 

thenonconformer  also said My same posts are posted on many sites too.. deleting them will do nothing.. but show to all how free speech is falsely denied by false excuses again

http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST But I mostly still do what the Lord tells me, not what others say I should do..
 
 

Verbal abuse is always unacceptable too. So are the Bullies now too.

Verbal abuse is always unacceptable too. So are the Bullies now    Even for Christians! verbal abuse by pastorS NOW ESPECIALLY TOO.

“This is from the book by Patricia Evans http://andthenshecried.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/the-verbally-abusive-relationship-how-to-recognize-it-and-how-to-respond

Verbal abuse is a kind of battering which doesn’t leave evidence like physical abuse does. However, it can be just as painful, and recovery can take much longer. The victim of abuse lives in a gradually more confusing realm. In public she is with one man, in private he becomes another. Often, for the verbally abused woman (man), there is no witness to her reality and no one to understand her experiences. Friends and family continue to see her ex, the abuser, as a really good guy and, certainly, he agrees with them. The verbal abuser, while maintaining his charm with others, always takes his abuse behind closed doors. It is a means of holding power over his wife( husband) /partner.. Many women and some men leave a marriage and come back into the singles’ world with the diminished self-esteem that comes from a verbally abusive relationship. The fact that many of these women (men) have never even realized that they were being abused, makes it easy for them to enter another abusive relationship. A verbal abuser is an insecure person and immature person who is looking for power and control over another.In order to help you recognize abuse, remember that all forms of verbal abuse are methods of manipulating you for the purpose of establishing power over you. The following are some of the forms of verbal abuse the author helps you recognize.

  1. Withholding: a purposeful, silent treatment.
  2. Countering: a countering of your ideas, feelings, and perceptions, even going so far as to refute what he misconstrues you to have said.
  3. Discounting–a putdown of you or something you hold dear.
  4. Blocking and diverting–this is a sneaky, covert way of violating your dignity.
  5. Accusation and blame: generally involves lies about the partner’s intentions, attitudes, and motives. The author states that accusation and blame is present in all verbally abusive relationships.
  6. Judging and criticizing: lies about your personal qualities and performance.
  7. Trivializing and undermining: abusive behavior which makes light of your work, your efforts, your interests, or your concerns. The abuser attempts to dilute meaning and value in your life. Undermining might occur when your partner laughs at you, for example, when you burn yourself cooking. It is also jokes at your expense. Undermining is occurring when you feel a “so-called joke” is mean rather than funny.
  8. Name calling: no one has a right to call you degrading names. Name calling is verbal abuse.
  9. Ordering: Telling you to do something, rather than asking, or making decisions for you or for the two of you without your input.
  10. Forgetting and denial: the trickiest form of denial is forgetting. Become aware that forgetting is a form of denial that shifts all responsibility from the abuser to some “weakness of mind.”
  11. Abusive anger: this seems to be closely linked to the need to “blow up,” to dominate, to control, to go one up, and to put down. Any time you are snapped at or yelled at, you are being abused.
  12. Threatening: Physical threats and sexual threats aside, verbal threats are an effort at manipulation. For example, a threat to leave, stay out all night, or take you home immediately is a manipulation for power. The threat of “pending disaster” is designed to shatter the partner’s serenity as well as her boundaries.
  13. If you counter the abuser or attempt to explain yourself, you will probably be met with such statements as, “I don’t want to hear it, get out of my face” or “Woman you don’t have the brains“, “BYou shouldn’t have said that to me“.

    f you are in a brand-new relationship and see warning signs of verbal abuse, the author suggests you might be wise to let the relationship go. It is not likely that a man (woman) who needs to dominate and control will change easily, if at all. It is also likely that when the newness of the relationship wears off, he will become more abusive. Verbal abuse can become physical in time and physical abuse is always preceded by verbal abuse, according to Evans.If you are in a long-term relationship, you can respond to the abuser as the book suggests and soon discover for yourself whether or not your mate is willing to change and stop his abusive behavior.

    “If you have been verbally abused in your relationship, you may have discovered that explaining and trying to understand have not improved your relationship. Therefore, I recommend that you respond in a new way–a way that will make an emotional, psychological, and intellectual impact upon your mate.”

    The abuser in your relationship may change when he finds that you do know when you are being abused, that you have set limits, that you mean what you say, and that you will not take behavior you don’t like. 

    If the man ( or sadly too often now a women) in your relationship remains abusive, it is not only not your fault,” but it is  your responsibility to deal with it, make it public, call the police too.

    Any person cannot still fight with you of you leave his or her presences, even forever.. and there is still a good life after a failed marriage now too. I practise what I preach and often now too.

     SEE ALSO http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-too-common-abusive-silent-treatment/

    Hey if you read my many non conforming posts you will note that I definitely, and loudly, rightfully still  do not conform to the false or immoral demands of others..
     
    I was really now fortunate I had great teachers here in Canada, in my public school, in high School and in University in Montreal Quebec, and all of them now   had treated me as a real person, respected me, and allowed me to speak. and to be heard as well.
      
    Not one of them no one told me what I can talk about write about or what I cannot as well. At work as a Professional Engineer, or as a Professional Realtor with Re/Max I was allowed continually as a responsible, a mature adult to make my own decisions,  and top also carry out my responsibilities in the manner   I chose to do them as well.
     
    So I have to admit it came to me as a shock firstly when I started to attend evangelical, Baptist Pentecostal churches in Canada now as an adult that that same right  to be respect, top speak, and to be heard, not to be bullied, falsely oppressed. Legal and Human rights that  I had before, often now did not exist in the churches surprisingly now of all places. Never saw so many control freaks, human rights abusers  in my whole life next to the too often bad cops now too.  And perversely many a despotic, crooked elder, pastor had wrongfully tried to shut me up, and even next had resorted next to slander me, to try to discredit me and what I had said,  or whatever,  now even both in Quebec and in Alberta.
     
    But like I have often said elsewhere the Evangelical church was not the only place where they tried to deny me my right to speak and to be heard now, for too often too and unacceptable the Alberta bullies, rednecks now  on the net had wrongfully tried often and falsely to suppress my right of free speech, but next so did not too many a Politician, particularly,  ironically again both the professing Christian ones, and the definitely alcoholic ones now too.. what they were falsely deluded that only politicians had the right of free speech and the right to be heard it seems too .
     
    Next too many bad police officers as well did not like me openly, publically complaining about the too often bad cops, bad RCMP had encountered in Alberta, Quebec, and not just the too many bad pastors, elders too, and in other provinces as well.. and what these bad  cops, bad watchdogs,  forget they are here to serve the good welfare of the citizens? for  they are not our despotic slave drivers.. nor are their bosses for that matter now too.
     
    Now what bothered them all now so much that they had tried to shut me up? my transparency, honesty, or it seems the mere exercise of  case of my rights . For in reality it seems at least 10 percent of the persons even on the net seem to be control freaks, bullies, human rights abusers.
     
    I often read complaints on the net from  some child complaining  that that one of their parents is verbally abusing them, or even a spouse complain that  their spouse is abusing them.  I have heard people tell me how pastors had abused them as well. Children and spouses sometimes are forced to put up with it?? But not me, for I am not a child, rather a matured adult, a retired senior in fact. And I can clearly, rightfully speak for myself and talk on any topic now as I so desire as well as we all can readily see and I do so now too. And for the good of us all now too.
     
     
    Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
     
    Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
     
     
    Here also is what I know for sure, the older the person is the more extreme, more severe, the more difficult the punishment has  to be on them to cause them to personally to change in their own  negative ways, for they are too set in them now too.
      
    Paul Kambulow