Bell, BCE, Sympatico, iPhone

Bell bites back with poor-man’s iPhone
Globe and Mail – 3 Jul 2008
BCE Inc.’s lengthy struggle to privatize may have left management distracted and Bell Canada’s brand reliant on a couple of aging beavers, but the phone company is still managing to strike back at its more nimble rivals.
Bell to offer smartphone with unlimited data plan CBC.ca
Can You Avoid The iPhone Data Plans From Rogers? Yes, But It Will CTV.ca
E Canada Now – Marketnews.ca – The Gate – Canada NewsWire (press release)
all 16 news articles »

The stastics on my own sites do show that MY MANY POSTS ABOUT MY UNDENIABLE EXPERIENCE WITH BAD BELL SYMPATICO ARE STILL ON THE TOP 3 MOST POPULAR READINGS OF ALL OF MY VARIOUS TOPICS THAT I HAVE POSTED ON MANY SITES OF MINE.

I had already written months ago  even here that Bell was capping the Sympatico downloads EVEN cause it was making way for their iphone business and Bell will definitely abuse it’s phone customers the next same way it has undeniably now too  abused many of it’s ISP customers. Sad and unaccepatable.
 
 
    
Message from youth: Don’t charge us for incoming texts
Canoe.ca –  SUN MEDIA A decision by telecom giants Bell and Telus to charge customers for receiving text messages as well as sending them isn’t sitting well with youth who use the service more than any other group.
Bell/Telus Text Messaging Cash Grab Makes No Economic Sense Teleclick.ca
Text-fee plan flayed Winnipeg Sun
Prepaid Reviews – Canada.com – CBC.ca – Canoe.ca
all 109 news articles »
 

consumer groups and opposition politicians are alarmed, since cellphone users have no control over who messages them. The groups see the new charges as a cash-grab, and want the federal government to regulate how telecommunications firms set fees.

  
 see also

 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/CtznK287/bell.htm

  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/bell-bce-own-profitability/

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Too Many major ISP suppliers are unacceptably guilty of

Too Many major ISP suppliers are unacceptably guilty of initial and subsequent false misleading advertising practices, and an immoral  “Bait and switch” business   practice as well.
 
Here is the undeniable reality.. Many bad ISP corporations beforehand do not disclose the amount of capping that they do to their customers., or after wards, or lie as to much they supposedly cap. For example I have a Bell Sympatico connection or I can use a second party proxy connection, and next I get twice the download speeds with the proxy over the Bell’s capped services even  during the non peak hours as well, such as all day Saturday.. not just  evenings  4.0 pm to 2. am when Bell admits it caps their lines. Now that is a fact any potential bell customer should know now too.
 
“AP  Sun Jun 15, 9:45 AM ET  At one time, the word “unlimited” meant unlimited.
 
Sprint’s mobile broadband service is the latest to abandon the term and the principle in favor of a monthly cap designed to keep their heaviest users from overwhelming their network.
 
But Sprint isn’t alone: its two 3G competitors also cap usage, and two wireline broadband operators are testing explicit caps as well. In the earliest days of broadband, service was either heavily capped, with ridiculously low limits–I recall DSL plans that had 1 GB monthly downstream limits for business-grade offerings–or totally uncapped. 
 
 Now, the idea of capped service with metered rates, stern warnings, or cancellations above a monthly limit are fully in fashion. For the last few years, companies like Comcast and Verizon’s wired broadband division have warned users about excessive downloads, degraded their service, or canceled their accounts, often with little recourse, and sometimes denying it all the while. Enough states’ attorneys general and FCC staff and commissioners have been involved that what was implicit has become explicit, but with the related effect that caps have become much lower than what they were in the ad hoc days before these changes. Driving all this is not scarcity, because there’s plenty of headroom out there on the Internet, but two interrelated issues: service providers always dramatically oversell their service, and some users are actually abusers. ( But really how can one be an absuer when he pays for and uses what was advertised now?
 
 On the first issue, if an ISP has 500 people connected to a central office DSLAM (a DSL aggregator) with a total downstream bandwidth of 2 Gbps, there’s no universe in which a phone company makes available 2 Gbps to that location. Rather, they allot a fraction of that, which works when traffic is bursty, not continuous. Many people downloading or streaming a lot impact everyone in the same grouping. (I’ve seen this at home when I complained about my 3 Mbps DSL dropping to 500 Kbps at night. A Qwest technician explained I was lumped with heavy users, and with about 20 minutes of waiting on the phone, regrouped my line to another, less used pod of users, and my service has been fine since. The nice part is that was a logical change; no one had to walk over to a cage and move my wires around.)
 
The second issue has provoked a lot of debate. But without explicitly labeling the limits on a service, a subscriber can’t technically abuse it. If you know when you sign up for Comcast that they limit your use to 10 GB and provide tools to monitor as well as an understanding of what that bandwidth would allow you to “consume” each month, it’s a very different matter than “all you can eat. “
 
Verizon had long promised unlimited Broadband Access for their 3G EVDO mobile broadband service. But it was well documented that unlimited had fairly strict limits. After an investigation by the New York attorney general’s office, Verizon agreed to change its disclosures, pay some costs to the state, and refund money to some subscribers. The company now fully discloses its 5 GB per month limit for combined upstream and downstream data. Verizon charges you 49 cents per MB ($490 per GB) when you cross that limit, and the company says that they use email, SMS, and a live data usage display in their connection manager to keep you apprised. Note that a single high-definition movie download might consume nearly 5 GB.AT&T, likewise, has a 5 GB cap each month on LaptopConnect, its 3G cell data offering, with unspecified behavior when you top that amount–additional charges may apply, but clarity would be helpful. They note in their PDF-only terms and conditions: “The parties agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 B in a month. Prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your service.”Sprint has joined this club with first the leaked news and then official confirmation that starting July 13, 2008, its 3G service would also have a 5 GB cap. A spokesperson told me that off-network roaming–ostensibly with Verizon or Alltel, the only other major providers of 3G in the US using the EVDO flavor–is capped at 300 MB per month. Now these are all 3G providers, who have limited spectrum over which they have to make sure all contending users in each cell get approximately the same kind of experience. They can’t afford one user sucking down all bandwidth. However, we’re seeing the same kinds of limits start to be tested for cable-based broadband.

Comcast is testing delaying traffic–slowing down packet transmission to throttle the bandwidth rate–in two Eastern cities they cover for the heaviest users of their service. This is an effective cap, rather than a cutoff. (Comcast has been delaying BitTorrent P2P traffic for all its users prior to this; this change affects all traffic, not just BitTorrent, and is being announced, instead of sub rosa.) In a town in Texas, Time Warner Cable is experimenting with offering different speed packages each of which is coupled with a monthly limit on usage. The lowest-priced package offers a ridiculous 768 Kbps downstream and 1 GB per month for $30 per month; the highest-priced is 15 Mbps downstream with a more reasonable 40 GB per month limit. Charges are $1 per GB above that. With cable companies traditionally and telephone companies newly offering television programming, premium channels, and on-demand video, the caps are another tool to prevent competition from over-the-Internet sources of things to watch. In a situation in which a few carriers control all the pieces, it’s unclear whether rate caps can stick. If both telcos and cable companies decide to impose such limits and restructure their networks, who do you turn to? People with broadband are unlikely to cancel it. In a monopoly or duopoly market, you can’t switch brands. There has to be a happy middle–a role that the FCC may help to negotiate. A 40 GB cap switched to 400 GB might serve precisely the right purpose without penalizing average users who have no other market choice. With Time Warner Cable charging a buck a gigabyte above their monthly limits in their test market, but with Amazon’s S3 service delivering it retail for as little as a tenth that, it’s not hard to see that carriers are looking to caps to solve network problems and make a little scratch on the side.”  http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080615/tc_pcworld/146752

 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, Corporations, governments who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

Class action suit against Bell Sympatico

You can get out of the Sympatcio Internet contract by cancelling your land line phone service? Or by telling the truth about Bell on the net.
  

Because even many managers in Canada, the government too  are not honest, do not tell the truth, they often also do lie as to the actual reasons their product prices are going up, and/or the quality of their services are going down, thus they are still helping to put themselves out of work, out of business eventually and to be rightfully dismissed too.

 
 Bell Sympatico had  falsely suspended my Internet contract recently to likely avoid a lawful  lawsuit from me. Instead now I find it ironic that Bell is being sued, Bell is facing a class action suit,  about the same time they Bell had falsely cut of my internet services,  with a Bell false excuse as well, Bell is being sued  by the others and they are asking for the same amount of money, damages that I  am personally asking them rightfully for too, about 2500 dollars specifically for Bell Sympatico’s  unacceptable breaches of my ISP contract obligations the last many years.. See my post, notes on Contract law. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/basic-contract-law/
 
 “Corporations like Bell Sympatico neglects its customers in order to attain better profit for itself and the shareholder and they should be held liable for making false claims about their services and breaking the law!! Why should they be allowed to get away with this;” Many  Consumers are realy not happy about Bell and it’s capping too.
  
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080602-new-filings-reveal-extent-damage-of-bell-canada-throttling.html  http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/02/tech-quebec.html  I have lived with Bell Sympatico DSL throttling for the past year. EVERY day from between 5pm and 2am these bastards throttled all P2P traffic ( including valid VPN apps, and other legit P2P, not just downloading random bit torrents etc. ) to 20 KBps max. Yes, that’s right, 20 to 30 KBps max for 9 hours every single day without fail. I could time when 2:02 am hit, then it would jump right back up to 500 KBps max downloading on my torrents.   Why didnt I switch ISP’s before this? Cuz my landlords paid a full year in advance for Sympatico DSL service to get “no monthly download caps”. So now the year is up, we have switched to www.yak.com, not only is it cheaper, it is truly unlimited with no monthly download caps. Now that Sympatico/Bell has been FORCED to stop throttling P2P/encrypted traffic with this class action lawsuit, all 3rd party ISP’s that buy off Bell’s DSL backbone no longer have problems with their damn throttling either!! $35/month including DSL modem rental, monthly fee ( you dont have to sign up for 1 , 2, or 3 year contract like you do with Sympatico ), so $10 cheaper and no overusage download fees..    I friggin HATE Sympatico, and to a lesser extent Rogers.. although Rogers learned their lesson and doesnt throttle torrents anymore.. my buddy gets 800 KBps P2P download speed all the time lately… good…” http://www.xbitlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=201335&sid=3acea536c8fac131f24d931f49295da5
 
L’Union des Consommateurs and a Quebec consumer have launched a class action lawsuit against Bell Canada over its throttling practices.  The suit, which is seeking certification on behalf of all provincial subscribers, argues that the practices deliberately slowed consumer services and raises privacy issues.  It seeks a refund of 80 percent of the monthly subscription price, in line with the reduction in advertised speeds.  It further seeks $600 per subscriber to compensate for false advertising and $1500 for privacy rights violations. A Quebec group called L’Union des consommateurs, along with Bell customer Myrna Raphael, are accusing Bell of false advertising, as a result of its practice of throttling traffic at peak hours. Raphael is said to have signed a three-year ADSL contract in 2006, partly on the basis of Bell’s claim of “constant speed” at all times; by enabling throttling last fall, says Raphael, Bell broke its agreement.  Bell is further accused of violating users’ privacy, by using a technology called deep packet inspection (DPI) as part of the throttling process. Although DPI may be used for beneficial purposes, such as the control of spam, viruses and hacking, it has also been implicated in more sinister uses such as censorship, net neutrality violations, and government spying in countries like China and the US.  http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2979/125/
 
Consumers have come together in Canada in a class action lawsuit against Bell Canada for the company’s practice of throttling traffic. There are two charges involved in the lawsuit. The first is for false advertising; the company had advertised the offer of a constant speed at all times which isn’t true if throttling is going on. And the second is for violating users’ privacy through the use of deep packet inspection. Those filing the suit say that the ISP throttles about eighty percent of the time and they are therefore seeking a return of eighty percent of the customers’ monthly subscriptions along with additional fees for each of the two violations. It’s only in Quebec, because it’s a Civil case, which is not possible outside of Quebec in Canada.  Quebec has a completely different legal system than the rest of Canada and the US. Only for civil cases, not criminal cases. Criminal code is uniform throughout Canada   The rest of Canada and the United States is derived from English Common Law. Quebec is derived from Code Napoleon. This is the same province who’s judges just re-wrote the interpretation of law (in the opinion of the majority of legal opinions) with the court of appeal’s overturning of a lower court ruling about BCE bondholders and the pending takeover of the company by OTPP. We’ll see how the Supreme Court goes on that one, but never underestimate the Quebec court system’s ability to interpret the law in new and interesting ways –About Class Action Lawsuits in Canada  A class action allows one person, called a representative plaintiff, to start a lawsuit on behalf of himself/herself as well as all others who fit into the defined class, subject to the rights of class members to withdraw or opt-out. This means that a single person can commence a class action on behalf of hundreds or thousands of people. Ontario, British Columbia, Quebec, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland are the only five provinces in Canada with Class Action Legislation in effect. The Supreme Court of Canada has recently ruled that court procedures allowing representative actions can be interpreted so as to allow for class actions.   Class action legislation in Canada allows greater access to justice by permitting groups of people who are similarly affected to join together in commencing legal action.  »www.avalanchesearch.com/classactionlaw/
 
I am not the only one asking Bell Sympatico to pay me back for my breach of their internet services.
 
Bell is not the only internet service provider to throttle customers speeds, as Toronto-based Rogers Communications Inc. has acknowledged doing so. A spokesman for Bell’s main competitor in Quebec, Montreal-based cable provider Vidéotron Ltée, said it does not throttle its customers. The union, however, also launched a class-action lawsuit against Vidéotron last year for forcing download limits on internet customers in the middle of their contracts. The company said it was not violating the terms of those contracts as it gave customers two months warning. The CRTC has given interested parties until June 12 to make their submissions on the throttling issue. Bell will then have until June 19 to reply to those submissions, while CAIP will have until June 26. The CRTC said it will then make a ruling by September. Aside from the Quebec consumers’ lawsuit and the CRTC probe, Bell also has to deal with a complaint filed with the federal privacy commissioner by the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic, a University of Ottawa legal clinic specializing in internet and other technology-related law. In its complaint filed in May, the clinic said Bell’s DPI was invading users’ privacy by reading what sort of data – known as packets – they were transmitting. http://technology.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/news/contentposting?newsitemid=tech-quebec&feedname=cbc-tech-science-v3&show=false&number=0&showbyline=true&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=true&pagenumber=3
 

 “If you were half as good at running a company as you were at lobbying, maybe you’d have a better network,”  Quebecor executive vice-president Luc Lavoie who took a shot at the quality of Bell Canada’s cellphone service: . http://news.aol.ca/article/telecom-summit/258999/
   
 The future is wireless, some would say  and the  past way they have mismanaged their past land line, ISP services too,  clearly indicates they will do it also next with the wireless services too at the users, customers expenses…
  
Recent discussions by both Bell and Rogers on their Corporate need  to get more and more money, with even any excuse, still out of consumers, and to throttle the downloads,  only all clearly confirms the reality as to how poorly managed these same companies in reality are still.. They too now have been wrongfully over subsidized by the CRTC, the Canadian  federal governments now too… now it is rather time the citizens got the break, protection.
   
Reality- Dirty Dirty Bell Sympatico …the most abusive Corporation, firm I have dealt in Canada in my lifetime.
Paul Kambulow
 
 Not acceptable, and Bell Comments are not  needed  FOR THERE IS NO WAY TO DISPROVE THE TRUTH..

 

 

Class action suit against Bell Sympatico

Bell Sympatico had  falsely suspended my Internet contract recently to likley avoid a lawful  lawsuit from me. Instead mow I find it ironic that Bell is being sued, is facing a class action suit,  about the same time they Bell had falsely cut of my internet services,  with a Bell false excuse as well, Bell is being sued  by the others and they are asking for the same amount of money, damages that I  am personally asking them rightfully for too, about 2500 dollars specifcally for Bell Sympatico’s  unacceptable breaches of my ISP contract obligations the last many years.. See my post, notes on Contract law. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/basic-contract-law/

 “Corporations like Bell Sympatico neglects its customers in order to attain better profit for itself and the shareholder and they should be held liable for making false claims about their services and breaking the law!! Why should they be allowed to get away with this;” Many  Consumers are realy not happy about Bell and it’s capping too.
 
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080602-new-filings-reveal-extent-damage-of-bell-canada-throttling.html  http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/02/tech-quebec.html  I have lived with Bell Sympatico DSL throttling for the past year. EVERY day from between 5pm and 2am these bastards throttled all P2P traffic ( including valid VPN apps, and other legit P2P, not just downloading random bit torrents etc. ) to 20 KBps max. Yes, that’s right, 20 to 30 KBps max for 9 hours every single day without fail. I could time when 2:02 am hit, then it would jump right back up to 500 KBps max downloading on my torrents.   Why didnt I switch ISP’s before this? Cuz my landlords paid a full year in advance for Sympatico DSL service to get “no monthly download caps”. So now the year is up, we have switched to www.yak.com, not only is it cheaper, it is truly unlimited with no monthly download caps. Now that Sympatico/Bell has been FORCED to stop throttling P2P/encrypted traffic with this class action lawsuit, all 3rd party ISP’s that buy off Bell’s DSL backbone no longer have problems with their damn throttling either!! $35/month including DSL modem rental, monthly fee ( you dont have to sign up for 1 , 2, or 3 year contract like you do with Sympatico ), so $10 cheaper and no overusage download fees..    I friggin HATE Sympatico, and to a lesser extent Rogers.. although Rogers learned their lesson and doesnt throttle torrents anymore.. my buddy gets 800 KBps P2P download speed all the time lately… good…” http://www.xbitlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=201335&sid=3acea536c8fac131f24d931f49295da5
 
L’Union des Consommateurs and a Quebec consumer have launched a class action lawsuit against Bell Canada over its throttling practices.  The suit, which is seeking certification on behalf of all provincial subscribers, argues that the practices deliberately slowed consumer services and raises privacy issues.  It seeks a refund of 80 percent of the monthly subscription price, in line with the reduction in advertised speeds.  It further seeks $600 per subscriber to compensate for false advertising and $1500 for privacy rights violations. A Quebec group called L’Union des consommateurs, along with Bell customer Myrna Raphael, are accusing Bell of false advertising, as a result of its practice of throttling traffic at peak hours. Raphael is said to have signed a three-year ADSL contract in 2006, partly on the basis of Bell’s claim of “constant speed” at all times; by enabling throttling last fall, says Raphael, Bell broke its agreement.  Bell is further accused of violating users’ privacy, by using a technology called deep packet inspection (DPI) as part of the throttling process. Although DPI may be used for beneficial purposes, such as the control of spam, viruses and hacking, it has also been implicated in more sinister uses such as censorship, net neutrality violations, and government spying in countries like China and the US.  http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2979/125/
 
Consumers have come together in Canada in a class action lawsuit against Bell Canada for the company’s practice of throttling traffic. There are two charges involved in the lawsuit. The first is for false advertising; the company had advertised the offer of a constant speed at all times which isn’t true if throttling is going on. And the second is for violating users’ privacy through the use of deep packet inspection. Those filing the suit say that the ISP throttles about eighty percent of the time and they are therefore seeking a return of eighty percent of the customers’ monthly subscriptions along with additional fees for each of the two violations. It’s only in Quebec, because it’s a Civil case, which is not possible outside of Quebec in Canada.  Quebec has a completely different legal system than the rest of Canada and the US. Only for civil cases, not criminal cases. Criminal code is uniform throughout Canada   The rest of Canada and the United States is derived from English Common Law. Quebec is derived from Code Napoleon. This is the same province who’s judges just re-wrote the interpretation of law (in the opinion of the majority of legal opinions) with the court of appeal’s overturning of a lower court ruling about BCE bondholders and the pending takeover of the company by OTPP. We’ll see how the Supreme Court goes on that one, but never underestimate the Quebec court system’s ability to interpret the law in new and interesting ways –About Class Action Lawsuits in Canada  A class action allows one person, called a representative plaintiff, to start a lawsuit on behalf of himself/herself as well as all others who fit into the defined class, subject to the rights of class members to withdraw or opt-out. This means that a single person can commence a class action on behalf of hundreds or thousands of people. Ontario, British Columbia, Quebec, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland are the only five provinces in Canada with Class Action Legislation in effect. The Supreme Court of Canada has recently ruled that court procedures allowing representative actions can be interpreted so as to allow for class actions.   Class action legislation in Canada allows greater access to justice by permitting groups of people who are similarly affected to join together in commencing legal action.  »www.avalanchesearch.com/classactionlaw/
 
I am not the only one asking Bell Sympatico to pay me back for my breach of their internet services.
 
Bell is not the only internet service provider to throttle customers speeds, as Toronto-based Rogers Communications Inc. has acknowledged doing so. A spokesman for Bell’s main competitor in Quebec, Montreal-based cable provider Vidéotron Ltée, said it does not throttle its customers. The union, however, also launched a class-action lawsuit against Vidéotron last year for forcing download limits on internet customers in the middle of their contracts. The company said it was not violating the terms of those contracts as it gave customers two months warning. The CRTC has given interested parties until June 12 to make their submissions on the throttling issue. Bell will then have until June 19 to reply to those submissions, while CAIP will have until June 26. The CRTC said it will then make a ruling by September. Aside from the Quebec consumers’ lawsuit and the CRTC probe, Bell also has to deal with a complaint filed with the federal privacy commissioner by the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic, a University of Ottawa legal clinic specializing in internet and other technology-related law. In its complaint filed in May, the clinic said Bell’s DPI was invading users’ privacy by reading what sort of data – known as packets – they were transmitting. http://technology.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/news/contentposting?newsitemid=tech-quebec&feedname=cbc-tech-science-v3&show=false&number=0&showbyline=true&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=true&pagenumber=3
  

 “If you were half as good at running a company as you were at lobbying, maybe you’d have a better network,”  Quebecor executive vice-president Luc Lavoie who took a shot at the quality of Bell Canada’s cellphone service: . http://news.aol.ca/article/telecom-summit/258999/
   
 The future is wireless, some would say  and the  past way they have mismanaged their past land line, ISP services too,  clearly indicates they will do it also next with the wireless services too at the users, customers expenses…
  
Recent discussions by both Bell and Rogers on their Corporate need  to get more and more money, with even any excuse, still out of consumers, and to throttle the downloads,  only all clearly confirms the reality as to how poorly managed these same companies in reality are still.. They too now have been wrongfully over subsidized by the CRTC, the Canadian  federal governments now too… now it is rather time the citizens got the break, protection.
   
Reality- Dirty Dirty Bell Sympatico …the most abusive Corporation, firm I have dealt in Canada in my lifetime. Paul Kambulow
 
 Not acceptable, and Comments are not  needed  FOR THERE IS NO WAY TO DISPROVE THE TRUTH..

Dirty Dirty Bell Sympatico

 Bell you should note that this page has beome very popular to read by  others.
  
If you want to cancel your Bell Sympatico contract just write the truth about Bell on the net and they will do it next for you gladly.
 
Bell Sympatico executive Care Sasha Rollins, CRTC, Jim Prentice MP,  even you all should have realized by now THAT HAD YOU PROPERLY DEALT WITH MY COMPLAINTS THE FIRST TIME, INSTEAD OF LYING TO ME, AMUSING, ABUSING ME, PRETENDING YOU HAD CARED, NEXT I WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO MAIL YOU FIRSTLY THE 300 EMAIL LETTERS  OF MY COMPLAINTS NEXT..  Bell Sympatico Sasha Rollins  you should have also learned by now that taking a false Ostrich approach towards me, and my many rightful complaints about big bad bell Sympatico still does not make me go away.. nor my complaints too.
 
 
 
Bell Sympatico wrongfully had cut of my internet services last month cause they had wrongfully objected to my rightful complaints and me also going public about it world wide.. I next got a cheaper service at 1/5 the cost from Bell from another firm, that ironically still gives me the same service even from Bell that I had before.. so they Bell  had meant it for evil but it next had caused me to save loads of money instead.
 
 
 
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  1. It has also been decades of my own experiences in rightfully complain about unacceptable negatives that still a written letter sent to the right party works best, a letter sent to the the people who have the power to make changes, and that includes all of the news editors and the elected representatives too, for that public exposure and prosecution of the guilty persons serves everyone’s best interest. I am a prolific writer who has now for decades written a wide range of social, moral, political issues but I too was surprised as to how much attention comparatively the the Bell posts are getting now. But for some reasons Bell still is not getting enough attention by the government.. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com

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  2. Paul Kambulow Says: May 16th, 2008 at 2:39 am >>the latest customer service mail out today from Bell: “Download movies at warp speed. Nothing is more important than speed when it comes to downloading movies and music. Don’t let viruses, Trojans and worms slow down your computer. We have tips to put your PC in overdrive.” as if it were viruses, Trojans and worms who were slowing down music and movie downloads…not only is this a typical Bell misdirection, another false Bell diversion but it is a misleading Bell ploy merely to earn more money by selling more of Bell services, for Bell they really do care about the customer’s best interest firstly but only their own… as we Bell customers all seem to know firsthand too.
  3. Paul Kambulow Says:  June 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm I have openly rightfully shared with the Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper’s office that Bell Sympatico undeniably is one of the most dirty, immoral, abusive Corporation, firm I have dealt in Canada in my lifetime. One that even falsely suppressed my complaints against it, my right of free speech as well.Because Bell Sympatico has UNACCEPTABLY TOO often HAD breached my ISP contractual agreement and NEXT Bell Sympatico had forcibly falsely disconnected my ISP service with them too thus next I have been forced to switch over to the Canadian www.acanac.ca/ -Residential High Speed ADSL without any Limits and No Blocked Ports or Traffic Shapping, plus Unlimited Downloading 100 GB of Online Storage Up to 5 Mbps Download and 800 Kbps Upload $18.95 per month This offer is available on a 1 year term and the first year of service. www.acanac.ca/Webhosting.html Call Tel: 1-866-281-3538 , 1-416-849-8520 On top of that I repeatedly do ask why Bell is now so expensive in comparisons to it’s competitor that uses the same TROUBLED EVEN Bell internet lines..I also find it really hypocritical, how basically unfair, totally unacceptable, one sided too it still is that that Bell Sympatico very loudly still demands full payments for their supposed services from all of their customers, when they Bell Sympatico clearly too often and unacceptably Bell Sympatico did not meet it contractual obligations to many of it’s customers, even when Bell Sympatico have not only provided a very poor, inadequate, incomplete services to many of their net customers, but in the process Bell Sympatico had also lied to, and had abused their customers.It is undeniably also that rather than initially honestly admitting the truth in Canada that Bell Sympatico lacked their advertised capabilities to provide adequate ISP, actually high speed internet services. Bell Sympatico when confronted with their failure to deliver the speeds as promsied to it’s cusomers had instead resorted to misleading statements, and lying to too many of the customers. Bell Sympatico had abused them further by falsely and lying in Canada diverting the blame on the customers own equipment, local connections, and the customer’s operating software as well. And finally when confronted by technical knowledgeable, competent persons with the undeniable proof that Bell Sympatico had been guilty of false, misleading business practices, Bell Sympatico next tries to screw the customers some more by Bell Sympatico trying next to charge them extra monies for the services they Bell Sympatico had promised long time ago to start of with too and had not delivered, their high speed downloads sites and adequate support services now too.. You can readily check your actual downloads speeds at http://2wire.com/bandwidth/ or many other similar sites too. Such witnessed by even me immoral acts, behaviors by Bell Sympatico has never been denied back to me and is never acceptable now still too and Bell needs to be fully regulated by the federal Consumer Affairs Ministers, even confronted, punished appropriately by the justice ministers as well for it’s much too many unacceptable bad, immoral acts too.Bell Sympatico now even wants an extra payment of 75 dollars if I do not return ASAP their high speed modem as soon as possible, conveniently forgetting that they themselves had wrongfully had breached my ISP contract, and also that they had falsely refused to refund me for an overcharge of an extra 55 dollars, to me for this high speed modem that I had never even requested from Bell Sympatico in the first place, and they too easily seem to forget that fact they Bell Sympatico had falsely also now tried 4 times to withdraw, steal my money from my bank account even during the time I as supposed to have free 6 months high speed unlimited internet as well. An agreement they too had falsely breached now.Now Bell Sympatico’s executive care Sasha Rollins had complained to me in writing 3 times back that in the last 18 months I have written 280 letters of rightful complaints to Bell about their inadequate, pretentious, services, even their false breach of their contract obligations. Me I am even next still even rightfully complaining to Bell Sympatico now that I had even firstly to to write any of these 280 letters of complaints to Bell Sympatico, and I as a direct result do even rightfully still do demand full payment of 2500 dollars from Bell Sympatico NOW for all my wasted time in even having now to do so now as well, plus further payment for the many years I had paid for a high speed internet services but never got one from Bell Sympatico as well. And I rightfully still expect this rightful 2500 dollars payment to me now from Bell Sympatico ASAP AS WELL , and so also NEXT I too will demand an extra 250 dollars in payment if they do not pay me my 2500 dollars COMPENSATION as soon as possible.And so the Circus with Bell Sympatico continues..
  4. Reader’s Write Says: June 11th, 2008 at 6:43 pm For the record, most of what Paul Kambulow has to say is bullsh*t.In addition after spamming bell, and members of parliament, he was warned that his service would be terminated due to harrassment.It got to the point that Paul Kambulow had the cops visit his place no less than 4 times for what he had to say to members of parliament (threats?).Paul, go away and take your bullsh*t with you.
  5. Paul Kambulow Says:  June 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm Reference my rightful Bell Sympatico complaintsThe above reader’s write as I can see by his posts now clearly works for the devil, and Bell likely.. Dirty slander and personal attacks clearly is the another bad Bell way of operation, he firstly needs to get all his facts straight.. No cop ever had ever visited my home because of any threats to any MPs any politician for that matter ever.. My public exposure in writing so effective alone.. thus the above write is a slanderer and a liar. He likely does work for Bell executive services, and his name likely is Sasha Rollins too again. Cause Bell Sympatico has before this already slandered me and I had objected to this rightfully too to all, on the net too before, as I have rightfully complained to all about this as to how dirty Bell they really are when you make a valid complaint to them. Real dirty, Big liars too, incompetent too. . The reader should prove to all now the fact I had threatened any politician for the record, for the pen is mightier than the sword, ,do tell him give us all a copy of specific police reports he lying refers to firstly or to shut up this still Big liar.. But yes Sasha Rollins from Bell he did not want to talk to me on the phone now we will let the whole world read about it still in full.. and who will hire him after he gets does next laid off for failing to deal adequately. dealing poorly with a Bell Sympatico customer clearly now too. http://www.google.com/search?q=Bell+Sympatico+complaints+kambulow&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1 The CBC market place confirms how bad bell is and not appreciated by many customers now too.. 2 million past Bell customers have left them even.. more more are leaving Bell too.A Prime Minister, a Ontario Premier and a Mayor had sent the police to my home in reply to my emails to them 6 times, because I wrote to them and also with a copy to the news editors, other MPs , and they really did not like it.. too bad for them.. and too bad for Bell too.. the ex premier of Ontario Ernie Ewes lost the election immediately next, so gone are are the bad liberal PMs Jean Chretien, Paul Martin and the bad Alberta mayor too.. even the other alcoholic Premier, Progressive Conservative politician Ralph Klein, the laughed at clown by the rest Canada, but hey I am still writing my email, internet posts for decades too eh.. My most popular recent posts read by thousands world wide too are about Bell, the Pentecostals, and evangelical pastors, the bad Christian Missionary alliance church, even about the bad cops, the bad RCMP and the unacceptable alcoholics now too..But this Bell Sympatico corruption, abuses are not a simple matter .. Sure Bell does wants me to go away, but do dream on.. I and many others do have hundreds of posted rightfully undeniable complaints about the bad Bell from out witness, experiences and about the the bad Conservatives who work on behalf of the crooked corporations that everyone can read, and many already have now too. Some persons had even phoned me at home about them. I told Bell Sympatico and Bell’s Sasha Rollins long time ago when he had threatened to take me to court to go ahead, I need the good publicity, andnext I will enter all my 280 past complaint letters to Bell into the court’s permanent records too. I also do have a anckldgement reply from Jim Prentice minister of Consumer affairs to my letters, and two replies from the Prime Minister’s office on these Sympatico matters and they are also posted on the net.Immoral, lying Bell Sympatico does not deny it did not honour it’s contract agreement with me but looked for some false excuse to try to shut me up, and did it work, of course not.. once my emails letters are sent they cannot be taken back by anyone, the damage to bell is rightfully done too as a result now..Hey Paul was supposedly warned by Bell about harassment???? but firstly that is totally an inside Bell privacy matter.. a violation of the customer’s privacy firstly and the CRTC should look into this in full now as well. How will others feel when they read how Bell wrongfully violates their customers privacy now too? AS per my right of free speech I can write to anyone worldwide and I do even about bell now.. The 3 Bell letters and they are posted on the net too had said a warning that I could not sent any more letters of complaints to Bell, or post any complaints on the net, or talk to any Bell employee, or to the RCMP as well even about how bad Bell was, or Sasha Rollins of bell executive care was, Sasha Rollins had my filed transferred to him alone and he would would not return any of my phone calls, and did not deny my my charges of his wrong doings posted also on the web and now it is too late to do so as well.. and he Sasha Rollins or his Bell subordinates would not send me any official signed ISP payment invoices for the last 6 months, he or his subordinates added extra charges to my unlimited 6 meg download account this year too, he or his subordinates charged me extra for a new modem I never requested, he and his subordinate falsified the fact I had renewed my bell Sympatico contract in 2008, and he would not send me a copy of this new 2008 contract as well.. Bell had lied they were proving me high speed system for years but when I did a speed test I found this was big lie.. and I proved it as well to all. All THIS I WRITE AGAIN IS ALL UNDENIABLE TOO.. AND all the major news editors got copies of these charges, so did they key Mps, others, and they are posted on the web for all to read still to date. BELL UNACCEPTABLY PLAYS A DIRTY GAME FOR A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE NOW.

 

  1. Paul Kambulow Bachelor of Civil Engineering, Concordia University 1968 Montreal, Quebechttp://thenonconformer.blogspot.com/
    http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15671

  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/bell-sympatico-executive-care-sasha-rollins/ 

 do see also
 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/to-bell-sympatico/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/unfair/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/bell-internet/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/why-many-businesses-fail/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/buyer-beware-beware/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/crtc-farcical-hearings-on-internet-speed-control/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/bell-bce-sympatico/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/is-your-isp-still-even-watching-you/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/the-war-against-bell/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/bell-throttles-internet-speeds/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/and/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/consumers-affairs/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/bell-lied/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/i-cannot-trust-you-for-you-lie-to-me-all-the-time/
 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/deceptive-unacceptable-unfair-business-trade-practices-unreliable-internet-access/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/basic-contract-law/
https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/this-next-was-so-predictable-even-by-me-too/
 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/action-not-mere-words-needed/

ISP false, misleading adds

 
Stop now today,  the unacceptable,  misleading Rogers, Bell, Videotron  ISP adds about having the  fastest internet connection or the most powerfull  that firstly  do not mention their download cappings now too!!
 
 Rogers and Bell Sympatico has each announced super fast internet service, Everyone is misleading the customers in Canada, DSL and Cable ISP  that they are providing the fastest internet speeds, but there is a catch, this is not their basic common services offered.. 
 
but also  that should be available from Rogers even only by the end of the year 2008.  More bad news is that it won’t be cheap! Customers can expect to pay about $100 per month plus taxes in order to have the fastest internet connection on their block
 
Bell and Rogers present adds are misleading about their speeds which are Not available in most parts   of Canada firstly too
 
Rogers Cable Communications today announced plans to launch an even faster   internet service, which will offer customers the fastest residential service. rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Elite will provide a speed of up to 18 megabits per. Rogers Cable announced Elite high speed internet (HSI) service that it says will provide download speeds of up to 18 megabits per second. The company did not announce upload speeds.
 
Bell Canada today announced the availability of Sympatico Optimax   which promises maximum download speeds of 16 megabits per second (Mbps). Sympatico will offer two levels of service . A 10 Mbps service for $70 per month and a 16 Mps service for $100 per month. Both services will have a 75 GB bandwith cap.  The company did not announce download speeds, however, it is expected to be the same as the Sympatico Optimax service in Montreal which has an upload speed of 1 Mbps.
 
Do rightfully Make them all more honest, more transparent about the type of services, speeds they do offer now and where as well..
 
Bell and  Rogers throttles BitTorrent to hell and back. The only workaround some say is  is to use port 1720, which is a temporary solution only. Because Rogers throttles BitTorrent and other P2P, and they’re not gonna leave port 1720 unthrottled forever. cap your upload to 75-80% of your actual maximum (in KiB/s).. there are other options.. merely leave Bell and Rogers..
 
Capping: The Criminal Code of Canada’s section 184.2.c.i-ii DOES NOT warrant them to do packet sniffing. It allows them to ONLY ‘sample’ traffic for quality reasons. You need to remember that these rules were drafted to stop people making their own wire taps on phone technology. What the statement is saying is that: If I am a phone tech I am allowed to connect to the line to check for hums/crackels/dead-service and then do my job to fix it. With Internet traffic you may not capture a person’s traffic unless a court order is issued to do so. The subject of traffic shaping is very different…They are looking into packet headers and making changes that are not a privacy issue…
  
  
 
 “If you were half as good at running a company as you were at lobbying, maybe you’d have a better network,”  Quebecor executive vice-president Luc Lavoie who took a shot at the quality of Bell Canada’s cellphone service: . http://news.aol.ca/article/telecom-summit/258999/
   
 The future is wireless, some would say  and the  past way they have mismanaged their past land line, ISP services too,  clearly indicates they will do it also next with the wireless services too at the users, customers expenses…
  
Recent discussions by both Bell and Rogers on their Corporate need  to get more and more money, with even any excuse, still out of consumers, and to throttle the downloads,  only all clearly confirms the reality as to how poorly managed these same companies in reality are still.. They too now have been wrongfully over subsidized by the CRTC, the Canadian  federal governments now too… now it is rather time the citizens got the break, protection.
   
Reality- Dirty Dirty Bell Sympatico …the most abusive Corporation, firm I have dealt in Canada in my lifetime. Paul Kambulow
 

 Not acceptable, and Comments are not  needed  FOR THERE IS NO WAY TO DISPROVE THE TRUTH..

 

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What you can do : Complain  for a start to the useless CRTC »www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/welcome.htm ,
  
Competition Bureau »www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic···/en/Home ,           
 News media
 
letters@cbc.ca ; news@ctv.ca ; newsroom@herald.ca ; newsdesk@lfpress.com ; submit@theherald.canwest.com ; letters@thegazette.canwest.com ; localnews@tc.canwest.com ; sunnewstips@png.canwest.com ; city@thejournal.canwest.com ; globalnews.reg@globaltv.ca ; mmarshall@leaderpost.canwest.com ; oped@ott.sunpub.com ; editor@tor.sunpub.com ; tabtips@png.canwest.com ; sanderson@thecitizen.canwest.com ; newsroom@canadianchristianity.com ;  Letters@globeandmail.com ;
 Local MP’s,
  
PM’s of all provinces:
 
mpremier@gov.ab.ca
premier@gov.bc.ca
premier@leg.gov.mb.ca
Premier@gnb.ca
premier@gov.nl.ca
floyd_roland@gov.nt.ca
premier@gov.ns.ca
rwjghiz@gov.pe.ca
premier@gov.sk.ca
dennis.fentie@gov.yk.ca
compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca
info@ccts-cprst.ca
infomgs@mgs.gov.on.ca
ccbbb@canadiancouncilbbb.ca
 
  
Honourable Jim Prentice
 
Check your actual interent speeds every week too..
6/11/2008 10:49 PM GMT 67.55.15.226 5284 kb/s 641 kb/s 80 ms Portland, ME ~ 450 mi
  
   
Because Bell Sympatico has often HAD breached my ISP contractual agreement  and  NEXT Bell Sympatico had forcibly falsely disconnected my ISP service with them too thus next  I have been forced to switch over to the Canadian   http://www.acanac.ca   -Residential High Speed ADSL without any Limits and  No Blocked Ports or Traffic Shapping, plus Unlimited Downloading 100 GB of Online Storage Up to 5 Mbps Download and 800 Kbps Upload  $18.95 per month  This offer is available on a 1 year term and the first year of service. http://www.acanac.ca/Webhosting.html Call Tel:  1-866-281-3538 ,  1-416-849-8520

Bells race against time

Even in the US the Bells are losing heavily to the Cable guys, who are bleeding them to death next too,  and in desperations  the Bells are  looking for any other possible sources of revenues.. *** But had they not abused, screwed their customers so often, the customers would not have so readily transferred to the cable ISPs. When the past Bells customers do  transfer to cable  they take not just their internet services es but their phone lines and next they rarely come back to the Bells too.. and the Bells revenues go down seriously.
 
Now “Baby Bells are in a race against time, trying to get their video services rolled out before they lose their grip over their core franchise: the voice customer. It is critical for the phone companies to keep people talking on their lines, if they want to sell them broadband and video services in the future, a point we had made earlier.UBS Research report shows that dark ominous clouds have gathered over the Bellville, and provides a statistical support for my thesis. 

  • In the fourth quarter 2006, the Bells lost 5.1% of homes served on an annual basis, driven by increasing cable voice net adds. Consumer revenues skidded as a result.
  • Currently, in the US Bells pass roughly 97 million homes and serve 64 million on a retail basis, about 65% penetration of homes passed. That’s down from 68% penetration a year ago.
  • Cable is eating their lunch. The top seven cable companies added 964,000 new telephony subscribers, getting to a total of about 8.3 million voice subscribers (estimated) or about 7.3% of U.S. households, up from 4.5% a year ago. The independent VoIP players have 2.6 million subscribers. The total cable & VoIP competition represents nearly 10% of the U.S. households, versus 6% of US households a year ago.
  • The consumer ARPU could not completely offset volume declines. Broadband revenues are slowing as well, mostly due to increased penetration.

 

Bells got $34 in average DSL revenues in the fourth quarter, down 9% annually, and only added 1.138M new subscribers in 4Q, down 18% annually and 3% sequentially. The Bells now penetrate 33% of homes served with broadband, up from 31% in the 3 quarter 2006 and 25% a year ago. AT& T leads the group with 39% penetration, followed by BellSouth at 34%, and Verizon and Qwest at 29% each.  DSL revenues are becoming a larger portion of the Bell revenues – about 20% of consumer ARPU, and any access line losses means that that the bells’ addressable market for DSL (and video) services declines quite a bit. Among the Bells, AT&T generated the highest contribution from DSL at 21% and Verizon the lowest at 18%. http://gigaom.com/2007/03/05/bell-accessline-losses-4q2006/

“Pike & Fisher calculate that the Bells — AT&T, Verizon and Qwest added 755,000 net broadband customers in the fourth quarter of 2007, the lowest level in five years. As we have noted earlier, broadband growth is slowing in the U.S., and we should expect more intense marketing battles.” http://gigaom.com/2008/02/22/bell-broadband-stalls/
 

***  Bell Canada

Well here again I sit and write about a multi-billion dollar corporation screwing its’ customers any way and every way it can.  This time it is the god of phones, Bell Canada.

After my move in early December 2007 I left Bell’s service for Phone and Internet to go with Rogers……yes I know from the sublime to the ridiculous.  Anyway, Bell’s Internet Service sucked, so I took it along with my phone to Rogers (the phone went because I could not pass up 6 free months).  The only reason I did not leave Bell for television was the fact that I have purchased over the last short while close to $1000 in equipment for High Definition TV.

I called Bell anyway, and told them that I was considering leaving.  When they heard that, they pretty much fell over themselves to keep me a customer.  It’s funny how places like this will do nothing for you until you threaten to, or really do leave. 

***Side note: since leaving for Rogers with my phone and Internet, Bell has called me three times!

In any case, they (Bell) offered me 2 months completely free TV, 6 months at 30% off, and the kicker….. A new High Definition PVR (Personal Video Recorder) for one year, FREE!   Needless to say, I stayed and this is where the fun began.

First, although Bell knew where to send my bill (because I got one at my new address they sent the installer to my old address.  It was explained that the departments don’t always talk to one another (go figure)!  So the refundable $100 installation charge went onto my account twice (because of their mistake), and only came off once.  I hd to fight this for a few calls, and on March it was dealt with.

Second, getting my two free months of TV has been like trying to walk on water!  Countless calls in January, February and yes indeed March I think I am finally going to get 2 free months.

Third, I noticed in January, and again in February that I was suddenly getting charged $20 a month for the PVR; remember the free PVR for one year?  So a few calls in January and again in February I thought I had this cleared up.  In March, they cleared the two months of charges to my bill (from January and February), but again charged me $20 for the rental.  This then led me to what probably amounted to my 15th – 20th phone call in the last 2-3 months.  As at March 24 / 2008 I m being told that my account is cleared up.  We shall see…….

In the interest of Customer Service………..BAD!  http://mypetpeeves.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/bell-canada-2/