Class action suit against Bell Sympatico

Bell Sympatico had  falsely suspended my Internet contract recently to likley avoid a lawful  lawsuit from me. Instead mow I find it ironic that Bell is being sued, is facing a class action suit,  about the same time they Bell had falsely cut of my internet services,  with a Bell false excuse as well, Bell is being sued  by the others and they are asking for the same amount of money, damages that I  am personally asking them rightfully for too, about 2500 dollars specifcally for Bell Sympatico’s  unacceptable breaches of my ISP contract obligations the last many years.. See my post, notes on Contract law. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/basic-contract-law/

 “Corporations like Bell Sympatico neglects its customers in order to attain better profit for itself and the shareholder and they should be held liable for making false claims about their services and breaking the law!! Why should they be allowed to get away with this;” Many  Consumers are realy not happy about Bell and it’s capping too.
 
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080602-new-filings-reveal-extent-damage-of-bell-canada-throttling.html  http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/02/tech-quebec.html  I have lived with Bell Sympatico DSL throttling for the past year. EVERY day from between 5pm and 2am these bastards throttled all P2P traffic ( including valid VPN apps, and other legit P2P, not just downloading random bit torrents etc. ) to 20 KBps max. Yes, that’s right, 20 to 30 KBps max for 9 hours every single day without fail. I could time when 2:02 am hit, then it would jump right back up to 500 KBps max downloading on my torrents.   Why didnt I switch ISP’s before this? Cuz my landlords paid a full year in advance for Sympatico DSL service to get “no monthly download caps”. So now the year is up, we have switched to www.yak.com, not only is it cheaper, it is truly unlimited with no monthly download caps. Now that Sympatico/Bell has been FORCED to stop throttling P2P/encrypted traffic with this class action lawsuit, all 3rd party ISP’s that buy off Bell’s DSL backbone no longer have problems with their damn throttling either!! $35/month including DSL modem rental, monthly fee ( you dont have to sign up for 1 , 2, or 3 year contract like you do with Sympatico ), so $10 cheaper and no overusage download fees..    I friggin HATE Sympatico, and to a lesser extent Rogers.. although Rogers learned their lesson and doesnt throttle torrents anymore.. my buddy gets 800 KBps P2P download speed all the time lately… good…” http://www.xbitlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=201335&sid=3acea536c8fac131f24d931f49295da5
 
L’Union des Consommateurs and a Quebec consumer have launched a class action lawsuit against Bell Canada over its throttling practices.  The suit, which is seeking certification on behalf of all provincial subscribers, argues that the practices deliberately slowed consumer services and raises privacy issues.  It seeks a refund of 80 percent of the monthly subscription price, in line with the reduction in advertised speeds.  It further seeks $600 per subscriber to compensate for false advertising and $1500 for privacy rights violations. A Quebec group called L’Union des consommateurs, along with Bell customer Myrna Raphael, are accusing Bell of false advertising, as a result of its practice of throttling traffic at peak hours. Raphael is said to have signed a three-year ADSL contract in 2006, partly on the basis of Bell’s claim of “constant speed” at all times; by enabling throttling last fall, says Raphael, Bell broke its agreement.  Bell is further accused of violating users’ privacy, by using a technology called deep packet inspection (DPI) as part of the throttling process. Although DPI may be used for beneficial purposes, such as the control of spam, viruses and hacking, it has also been implicated in more sinister uses such as censorship, net neutrality violations, and government spying in countries like China and the US.  http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2979/125/
 
Consumers have come together in Canada in a class action lawsuit against Bell Canada for the company’s practice of throttling traffic. There are two charges involved in the lawsuit. The first is for false advertising; the company had advertised the offer of a constant speed at all times which isn’t true if throttling is going on. And the second is for violating users’ privacy through the use of deep packet inspection. Those filing the suit say that the ISP throttles about eighty percent of the time and they are therefore seeking a return of eighty percent of the customers’ monthly subscriptions along with additional fees for each of the two violations. It’s only in Quebec, because it’s a Civil case, which is not possible outside of Quebec in Canada.  Quebec has a completely different legal system than the rest of Canada and the US. Only for civil cases, not criminal cases. Criminal code is uniform throughout Canada   The rest of Canada and the United States is derived from English Common Law. Quebec is derived from Code Napoleon. This is the same province who’s judges just re-wrote the interpretation of law (in the opinion of the majority of legal opinions) with the court of appeal’s overturning of a lower court ruling about BCE bondholders and the pending takeover of the company by OTPP. We’ll see how the Supreme Court goes on that one, but never underestimate the Quebec court system’s ability to interpret the law in new and interesting ways –About Class Action Lawsuits in Canada  A class action allows one person, called a representative plaintiff, to start a lawsuit on behalf of himself/herself as well as all others who fit into the defined class, subject to the rights of class members to withdraw or opt-out. This means that a single person can commence a class action on behalf of hundreds or thousands of people. Ontario, British Columbia, Quebec, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland are the only five provinces in Canada with Class Action Legislation in effect. The Supreme Court of Canada has recently ruled that court procedures allowing representative actions can be interpreted so as to allow for class actions.   Class action legislation in Canada allows greater access to justice by permitting groups of people who are similarly affected to join together in commencing legal action.  »www.avalanchesearch.com/classactionlaw/
 
I am not the only one asking Bell Sympatico to pay me back for my breach of their internet services.
 
Bell is not the only internet service provider to throttle customers speeds, as Toronto-based Rogers Communications Inc. has acknowledged doing so. A spokesman for Bell’s main competitor in Quebec, Montreal-based cable provider Vidéotron Ltée, said it does not throttle its customers. The union, however, also launched a class-action lawsuit against Vidéotron last year for forcing download limits on internet customers in the middle of their contracts. The company said it was not violating the terms of those contracts as it gave customers two months warning. The CRTC has given interested parties until June 12 to make their submissions on the throttling issue. Bell will then have until June 19 to reply to those submissions, while CAIP will have until June 26. The CRTC said it will then make a ruling by September. Aside from the Quebec consumers’ lawsuit and the CRTC probe, Bell also has to deal with a complaint filed with the federal privacy commissioner by the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic, a University of Ottawa legal clinic specializing in internet and other technology-related law. In its complaint filed in May, the clinic said Bell’s DPI was invading users’ privacy by reading what sort of data – known as packets – they were transmitting. http://technology.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/news/contentposting?newsitemid=tech-quebec&feedname=cbc-tech-science-v3&show=false&number=0&showbyline=true&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=true&pagenumber=3
  

 “If you were half as good at running a company as you were at lobbying, maybe you’d have a better network,”  Quebecor executive vice-president Luc Lavoie who took a shot at the quality of Bell Canada’s cellphone service: . http://news.aol.ca/article/telecom-summit/258999/
   
 The future is wireless, some would say  and the  past way they have mismanaged their past land line, ISP services too,  clearly indicates they will do it also next with the wireless services too at the users, customers expenses…
  
Recent discussions by both Bell and Rogers on their Corporate need  to get more and more money, with even any excuse, still out of consumers, and to throttle the downloads,  only all clearly confirms the reality as to how poorly managed these same companies in reality are still.. They too now have been wrongfully over subsidized by the CRTC, the Canadian  federal governments now too… now it is rather time the citizens got the break, protection.
   
Reality- Dirty Dirty Bell Sympatico …the most abusive Corporation, firm I have dealt in Canada in my lifetime. Paul Kambulow
 
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ISP false, misleading adds

 
Stop now today,  the unacceptable,  misleading Rogers, Bell, Videotron  ISP adds about having the  fastest internet connection or the most powerfull  that firstly  do not mention their download cappings now too!!
 
 Rogers and Bell Sympatico has each announced super fast internet service, Everyone is misleading the customers in Canada, DSL and Cable ISP  that they are providing the fastest internet speeds, but there is a catch, this is not their basic common services offered.. 
 
but also  that should be available from Rogers even only by the end of the year 2008.  More bad news is that it won’t be cheap! Customers can expect to pay about $100 per month plus taxes in order to have the fastest internet connection on their block
 
Bell and Rogers present adds are misleading about their speeds which are Not available in most parts   of Canada firstly too
 
Rogers Cable Communications today announced plans to launch an even faster   internet service, which will offer customers the fastest residential service. rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Elite will provide a speed of up to 18 megabits per. Rogers Cable announced Elite high speed internet (HSI) service that it says will provide download speeds of up to 18 megabits per second. The company did not announce upload speeds.
 
Bell Canada today announced the availability of Sympatico Optimax   which promises maximum download speeds of 16 megabits per second (Mbps). Sympatico will offer two levels of service . A 10 Mbps service for $70 per month and a 16 Mps service for $100 per month. Both services will have a 75 GB bandwith cap.  The company did not announce download speeds, however, it is expected to be the same as the Sympatico Optimax service in Montreal which has an upload speed of 1 Mbps.
 
Do rightfully Make them all more honest, more transparent about the type of services, speeds they do offer now and where as well..
 
Bell and  Rogers throttles BitTorrent to hell and back. The only workaround some say is  is to use port 1720, which is a temporary solution only. Because Rogers throttles BitTorrent and other P2P, and they’re not gonna leave port 1720 unthrottled forever. cap your upload to 75-80% of your actual maximum (in KiB/s).. there are other options.. merely leave Bell and Rogers..
 
Capping: The Criminal Code of Canada’s section 184.2.c.i-ii DOES NOT warrant them to do packet sniffing. It allows them to ONLY ‘sample’ traffic for quality reasons. You need to remember that these rules were drafted to stop people making their own wire taps on phone technology. What the statement is saying is that: If I am a phone tech I am allowed to connect to the line to check for hums/crackels/dead-service and then do my job to fix it. With Internet traffic you may not capture a person’s traffic unless a court order is issued to do so. The subject of traffic shaping is very different…They are looking into packet headers and making changes that are not a privacy issue…
  
  
 
 “If you were half as good at running a company as you were at lobbying, maybe you’d have a better network,”  Quebecor executive vice-president Luc Lavoie who took a shot at the quality of Bell Canada’s cellphone service: . http://news.aol.ca/article/telecom-summit/258999/
   
 The future is wireless, some would say  and the  past way they have mismanaged their past land line, ISP services too,  clearly indicates they will do it also next with the wireless services too at the users, customers expenses…
  
Recent discussions by both Bell and Rogers on their Corporate need  to get more and more money, with even any excuse, still out of consumers, and to throttle the downloads,  only all clearly confirms the reality as to how poorly managed these same companies in reality are still.. They too now have been wrongfully over subsidized by the CRTC, the Canadian  federal governments now too… now it is rather time the citizens got the break, protection.
   
Reality- Dirty Dirty Bell Sympatico …the most abusive Corporation, firm I have dealt in Canada in my lifetime. Paul Kambulow
 

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Check your actual interent speeds every week too..
6/11/2008 10:49 PM GMT 67.55.15.226 5284 kb/s 641 kb/s 80 ms Portland, ME ~ 450 mi
  
   
Because Bell Sympatico has often HAD breached my ISP contractual agreement  and  NEXT Bell Sympatico had forcibly falsely disconnected my ISP service with them too thus next  I have been forced to switch over to the Canadian   http://www.acanac.ca   -Residential High Speed ADSL without any Limits and  No Blocked Ports or Traffic Shapping, plus Unlimited Downloading 100 GB of Online Storage Up to 5 Mbps Download and 800 Kbps Upload  $18.95 per month  This offer is available on a 1 year term and the first year of service. http://www.acanac.ca/Webhosting.html Call Tel:  1-866-281-3538 ,  1-416-849-8520

Net neutrality bill hits House

Amazing one of the most active complaint issues by the citizens on Canada’s interent and the major political parties in Canada  still have no comment? Why?

“The CRTC certainly shows no signs of protecting consumers, nor do the Conservatives and Liberals; they are much more likely to protect the interests of corporations when it comes to an issue such as this”..

Net neutrality bill hits House of Commons
CBC.ca – 14 hours ago
By Peter Nowak CBC News NDP digital spokesman Charlie Angus doesn’t believe the CRTC has all the tools it needs to prevent interference in the internet by service providers.
Net neutrality bill ‘about fairness to consumers’ p2pnet.net
Federal NDP To Introduce Net Neutrality Bill DigitalJournal.com
Metro Canada – Ottawa – IT World Canada Blogs – GigaOm – mediacaster
all 21 news articles »

Interesting to note that this issue gets no  attention from Canada’s MAJOR private media organizations. Why? They are clearly influenced by Bell? Compare this to ,,

Stand by your ex (or be hoist by your own Couillard) Globe and Mail –  What was he doing in Julie Couillard’s house so long after they had broken up? Why did he leave sensitive documents there?
all 1,393 news articles »
 

“Net neutrality bill hits House of Commons

The NDP has followed through with its promise to introduce legislation to the House of Commons that seeks to keep the internet open and free from control by service providers.

“This bill is about fairness to consumers,” said Charlie Angus, the NDP’s digital spokesman, in the House of Commons on Wednesday. “The internet is a critical piece of infrastructure not just for Canada but for the world … this bill protects the innovation agenda of Canada.”

The private member’s bill, C-552, is in reaction to moves by some of Canada’s largest internet service providers (ISPs), including Bell Canada Inc. and Rogers Communications Inc., to limit their customers’ uses of the internet. Bell, Rogers and a few others say a small percentage of customers have been congesting their networks by using peer-to-peer applications such as BitTorrent, so they have slowed the internet down at peak times of the day.

The ISPs’ actions have provoked outrage from internet users, with about 300 protesters taking to the steps of Parliament Hill on Tuesday. Critics have said the targeting of peer-to-peer applications is just the tip of the iceberg. If ISPs are allowed to decide which internet applications can and can’t be used, innovative new companies that were born from experimentation — such as Google, Amazon and eBay — may not happen in the future.

“Net neutrality affects everybody, every person, every business, every hospital, every institution is involved in the exchange of information over the internet,” Angus told CBCnews.ca. “This shouldn’t be about party lines.”

The four-page bill seeks to amend the Telecommunications Act and “prohibit network operators from engaging in network management practices that favour, degrade or prioritize any content, application or service transmitted over a broadband network based on its source, ownership or destination, subject to certain exceptions.”

It also looks to prohibit “network operators from preventing a user from attaching any device to their network and requires network operators to make information about the user’s access to the internet available to the user.”

The proposed bill makes exception for ISPs to manage traffic in reasonable cases, Angus said, such as providing stable speeds for applications such as gaming or video conferencing.

“There are areas where telecoms have to be able to exercise rights, but that doesn’t give them the ability to arbitrarily interfere or discriminate,” Angus said.

Section 27 (2) of the Telecommunications Act says: “No Canadian carrier shall, in relation to the provision of a telecommunications service or the charging of a rate for it, unjustly discriminate or give an undue or unreasonable preference toward any person, including itself, or subject any person to an undue or unreasonable disadvantage.”
 
The CRTC certainly shows no signs of protecting consumers, nor do the Conservatives and Libersls; they are much more likely to protect the interests of corporations when it comes to an issue such as this..

Officials at Bell and Rogers did not immediately return requests for comment.

A spokesperson for Minister of Industry Jim Prentice also did not immediately return a request for comment. The spokesperson also did not reply to requests for comment on the net neutrality rally.

Liberal industry critic Scott Brison has not weighed in on the issue, despite having held meetings with Bell, Rogers and several smaller ISPs a few weeks ago. His spokesman did not reply to a request for comment on Wednesday.

The CRTC can’t impose fines for companies violating the Telecommunications Act? Then what is the point of the act?

Section 36 also says: “Except where the commission approves otherwise, a Canadian carrier shall not control the content or influence the meaning or purpose of telecommunications carried by it for the public.”

Despite those two sections, Angus said CRTC chairman Konrad von Finckenstein told the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage two weeks ago that the regulator did not have sufficient means to punish ISPs violating the rules. Finckenstein said the CRTC needs the ability to impose monetary penalties for violating both the Telecommunications and Broadcasting Acts.

 

The Canadian government, courts and Bell

 
Anyone still wonder why the Conservatives cannot get out of their minority government slump? Over and over again I have the citizens say the same thing even face to face today.. “the politicians do nothing about the immoral, lying, stealing, no good, abusive Corporations in Canada like Bell Sympatico  because they too often do the same thing. The Conservatives included.” Bell Sympatico complaints
 
Canadians are fighting back against Bell Canada’s traffic shaping  by organizing a rally in support of network neutrality. The rally is being backed by a long list of organizations including Google, two major political parties, three ISPs, and two major unions. It was set for today May 27, 2007 Tuesday at 11:30 am on Parliament Hill in Ottawa. The only question that remains is, will the government listen?”
 
“The federal New Democrats will introduce a private member’s bill on Wednesday that would entrench the principle of “net neutrality” and enact rules to keep the internet free from interference by service providers, an NDP MP told a rally Tuesday in Ottawa.Parliament Hill was beset by about 300 people impassioned by an issue not usually associated with protest marches: internet access. “Save the internet,” read one angry placard. “Say no to Big Brother watching you,” said another.The New Democratic Party’s Charlie Angus told the cheering crowd that the private member’s bill would protect Canadian consumers from having their internet speeds “throttled” by service providers.”You are citizens of a digital realm and you have rights,” he said.The protesters, some of whom boarded buses in the early morning hours to get to the rally, are supporters of net neutrality, a movement urging the government to enact rules that prevent large internet service providers (ISPs) from interfering with the free flow of information over the internet. “Our net not for sale,” they chanted, as well as, “Whose net? Our net.”At issue in the net neutrality debate are the actions of big ISPs that have been slowing down the internet speeds of customers who use certain types of applications, such as peer-to-peer software used for file sharing.Bell Canada Inc. and Rogers Communications Inc., Canada’s two largest ISPs, as well as a few others including Videotron Ltée. and Cogeco Inc., have for some time been engaging in a practice known as “traffic shaping” or “throttling,” where speeds of certain types of internet applications are slowed at certain times of the day. The main targets have been peer-to-peer applications such as BitTorrent, which have emerged as efficient ways of transferring large files like videos.The ISPs say they are throttling such applications because a small percentage of customers are creating network congestion through constant use, which is slowing down connection speeds for the majority.Angus took a swipe at the Liberals, who have been largely silent on the issue of net neutrality. Industry critic Scott Brison met with Bell, Rogers and other independent ISPs weeks ago, but has still not formed a position.”This is not a partisan issue, but we’re hearing radio silence,” Angus told CBCNews.ca. “Where are the Liberals?”Mauril Bélanger, Liberal MP for Ottawa-Vanier, also addressed the crowd and agreed that control of the internet must be kept out of the hands of vested interests. He said the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) already has the power to do this with the Telecommunications Act and refused to support the NDP’s billProtesters at the rally said the ISPs have not only failed to prove their claims regarding the need for throttling, they also have no right to pick and choose which internet applications run faster than others.”When did Bell deign to say what’s good and what’s bad?” said Gatsby Wong, 32, a computer technician who got on a bus in Toronto at 4 a.m. in order to get to the rally. “Who gave them that right?”Protesters also said the practices are anticompetitive, since internet-based phone or video sales services run up against the ISPs’ own existing business lines.”They say they have a congestion problem, but where’s the proof?” said Mark Farr, 49, a renovations worker who made the trip from Welland, Ont., to attend the rally. “They say I’m the problem, but they’re the problem.”Spokespeople for Bell and Rogers did not return requests for comment.Rally leaders urged Minister of Industry Jim Prentice and the CRTC to enact rules enshrining the rights of internet users. Net neutrality isn’t just an issue for technical geeks, they said, it is vital for maintaining freedom of speech and for keeping the innovation that has resulted in the birth and growth of such revolutionary companies as Google, Amazon and eBay.”We need to protect the internet from being hijacked by vested interests,” said Phillipa Lawson, director of the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC), at the University of Ottawa. ” If market forces could solve this problem we wouldn’t be here today.”Rocky Gaudrault, the rally’s main organizer and chief executive officer of TekSavvy Solutions Inc., told protesters that net neutrality is comprised of three basic principles: competition, innovation and consumer rights. “I’m sorry, but none of those are for sale.”

Smaller ISPs such as TekSavvy, as well as more than 50 others represented at the rally by the Canadian Association of Internet Providers (CAIP), are taking particular exception with Bell’s traffic-shaping practices. Because it has a taxpayer-funded monopoly over phone-cable infrastructure in much of Canada, Bell — as well as other phone companies — is mandated by the CRTC to rent portions of its network to CAIP members so they can provide services to their own customers.  
 
 
 

 

It has already been openly alleged that Bell has somone at the CRTC in their back pocket.

Capping: The Criminal Code of Canada’s section 184.2.c.i-ii DOES NOT warrant them to do packet sniffing. It allows them to ONLY ‘sample’ traffic for quality reasons. You need to remember that these rules were drafted to stop people making their own wire taps on phone technology. What the statement is saying is that: If I am a phone tech I am allowed to connect to the line to check for hums/crackels/dead-service and then do my job to fix it. With Internet traffic you may not capture a person’s traffic unless a court order is issued to do so. The subject of traffic shaping is very different…They are looking into packet headers and making changes that are not a privacy issue…
 
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Action required, not mere words

 
Supreme Court puts muzzle on sniffer dogs in Canada but real actions by the government still do speak louder than words.
OTTAWA —   Supreme Court of Canada rulling Friday   tightened the leash on police powers to use the canines for random sweeps.  “In its first pronouncement on sniffer dogs, the court sided 6-3 with a high-school student from Sarnia, Ont., and a Vancouver man who was caught with cocaine in his luggage at a Calgary bus terminal. “We’re no longer going to be able to show up and randomly search,” said Tom Stamatakis, vice-president of the Canadian Police Association. In both cases, police violated the charter right against unreasonable search and seizure by allowing their dogs to embark on general sniff searches of a school and bus depot without more concrete reasons to suspect drugs were present, the Supreme Court said.” The two rulings are expected to end routine searches in public places like schools and bus and train stations for now. The federal Justice Ministers can enact new legislation to overcome rightfully as soon as possible this shortcoming and they should.  The court decisions, however, were, are silent on airports, where police dogs routinely sniff the luggage of passengers entering the country. “Past Supreme Court rulings have established that privacy rights are lower when weighed against the need to secure the borders, prompting speculation that sniffer dogs will continue to be used at airports in the absence of a specific legal challenge. “It’s fair to say the decisions wouldn’t apply to airports,” predicted Brent Olthuis, a lawyer for the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, noting that neither case involved matters of border security. Quasi-private shopping malls, where private security guards are sometimes called in with sniffer dogs, are another “grey area,” said Stamatakis. The Supreme Court invited lawmakers to step in an spell out specific police powers with sniffer dogs. “Any perceived gap in the present state of the law on police investigative powers arising from the use of the sniffer dogs is a matter better left for Parliament,” wrote Justice Louis LeBel.”
 
Gangs and drugs,  alcohol are are still a big problem on Indian reservations and elsewhere. Why?  all while zero tolerance for gang affiliations or child pornography,  has developed too. We can tackle the supply of drugs by taking on and defeating the criminal gangs who should be treated in the same way as subversive organizations were. ” We all do  have to send a message loud and clear to the gangs – you are not tolerated and If you are caught  you will be charged. In many cases such gangs are linked to organized crime. You need to fully also go after the gang leaders who are making money using the kids and drugs to do it.   The government can now wrest control of violence-plagued reserves  by having zero tolerance for gangs and by banning drugs and alcohol from homes,  with the help of  RCMP and the courts. I can tell you that our government is committed to ensuring that Canada will not be safe haven for those who pose a threat to our national security or the safety of our families and communities. On this, our tolerance level is zero,” Stockwell Day but real actions by the government   still do speak louder than words. 
 
The most successful policing model in modern terms is the “zero tolerance” model used in New York . The strategy was known there as “one broken window” following the observation that where there were broken windows and rubbish in streets there was crime. During the programme’s operation in New York, the number of murders plummeted from 2,262 to 629.”
 
Also “Fear of imprisonment has very little effect on a heroin addict but has a dramatically different impact on a company director who dabbles in cocaine – middle class drug use is helping to fund the violence and we need to adopt a zero tolerance policy towards it”.
    
I have a civil engineering degree, Concordia University , Montreal 1968, and I had worked as a Remax Realtor in Calgary too but in my decades of real life experiences in Canada the existing laws, regulating societies, governments clearly did not stop many Realtors,  lawyers or even now Bell Sympatico from telling lies to the customers, others. Nor did  the RCMP always get their man or the police, courts for that matter too.
From: paul kambulow
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Subject: Sympatico Interent account KMM16616921V25471L0KM) (KMM16680724V58934L0KM)

I now do realize that I have been told many times now by Bell on the phone, on the net that my internet account matter now has been escalated to the Highest level at Bell, specially Bell executive care services, and that as usual I might have been lied to now again by Bell, lying is what Bell mostly does in my last 18 months of dealing with Bell directly too. So please now today
1: Inform me the specific date that my Unlimited high speed download account had started and was next ended.
2: Give me the name of the person specially from Bell who to get a commission had lied that I had upgraded my Bell unlimited account, and who said that I also had asked to have my modem upgraded as well.
3: Give me also the mailed copies of my last 6 months billings in full as well
4: Do Deal with my many other rightful complaints, demands sent to Bell now too..
And for most of this 2 days respond time should be adequate for Bell..

Thank you

Paul Kambulow 7781a thibert Street, LaSalle- Montreal, Quebec h8n2c5,
Home Tel 514-363-7316 Bell reference (KMM16616921V25471L0KM) etc

When will I get it all?

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