The next sin to become falsey acceptable is..

For some reason, OFTEN ENCOURAGED TO DO SO BY THE FALSE PREACHERS, too many a professing Christian wrongfully still do think that God by grace will both overlook our ignorance , and sins.. even though there is no Bible verse to that effect.. God has already clearly now also said what a man sows, he will reap as a reward, both the good and the bad is included.. sow nothing and you will reap nothing… that applies to your home, marriage too..

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Giving in to the lust of the flesh is a sin, and thus that includes the unacceptable sins of divorce, homosexuality and polygamy..

I was surprised still as to how many times this topic of divorce, marriage now appears on other people’s searches.. yes, if you look hard enough you can eventually get the answer you want but not necessarily the right one.

FIRSTLY THE FAMILY, MARRIAGE & DIVORCE AND THE BIBLE TOO.

Without prior prayer to God and God’s help all one does will rather fail

The marriage, or the job, money, is not the priority, God firstly and his will is always still the priority
if two persons, husband and wife refuse to walk together with God, the marriage, their house will fall.. for a house divided cannot stand
the Husband is the sole head of the home.. and this is not an option, a pretense
if the wife abuses her husband God here on earth will punish her too in reality even with divorce and Christian or not
if the husband abuses his wife God will punish him here on earth and not hear his prayers
If the children disrespect their parents, they too will reap what they sow, God will, he punish them too.
(Isa 40:31 KJV) But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Yes I know that at least 30 percent of evangelical Christians, including now Pentecostal ones, practice divorce, adultery but that does not make it right still

and FOR SURE Coke, sex, adultery, divorce, Coca-Cola, wine, alcohol, beer or what ever they they are not the answer to having a happy life! Following after Jesus Christ alone is!
Why are so many people still obsessed with fantasy, romance, divorce, drugs, alcohol, even TV, movies, sex, pleasure, pornography.. for most of them personally it is an initial lazy, false escapism approach from the too often real negative aspects of life that we firstly all tend to have, particularly due to our own unrepentant sins and due to Satan’s buffeting, harassment of them.. the grass may appear greener in the neighbors yard cause you do not know what hardships they are facing now, the supposedly rich persons included. While God for his faithful few give them the grace to endure hardships and even to overcome them, we are all nevertheless bound to have trails and tribulations, hardships, all of us.. Instead of personally first learning how to use the Bible to oppose Satan, obtain peace in their own life, too many persons turn to the flesh.. The problem also with the common graphic misrepresentation of the pleasure of sex but the reality is that even the Gays, lesbians, adulterers tend to have even more negative consequences, oppressions in their life to force them into deeper bondage with Satan.. Jesus sets us free from all that.

(Gal 5:16 KJV) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

(Rom 7:5 KJV) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

(Gal 5:19 KJV) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

(Rom 8:1 KJV) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Mark 10:19 You know the commandments: Do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.
Mark 10:1 AND [Jesus] left there [Capernaum] and went to the region of Judea and beyond [east of] the Jordan; and crowds [constantly] gathered around Him again, and as was His custom, He began to teach them again.
Mark 10:2 And some Pharisees came up, and, in order to test Him {and} try to find a weakness in Him, asked, Is it lawful for a man to dismiss {and} repudiate {and} divorce his wife?
Mark 10:3 He answered them, What did Moses command you?
Mark 10:4 They replied, Moses allowed a man to write a bill of divorce and to put her away.
Mark 10:5 But Jesus said to them, Because of your hardness of heart [your condition of insensibility to the call of God] he wrote you this precept in your Law.
Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.
Mark 10:7 For this reason a man shall leave [behind] his father and his mother {and be} {joined to his wife and cleave closely to her permanently,}
Mark 10:8 And the two shall become one flesh, so that they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Mark 10:9 What therefore God has united (joined together), let not man separate {or} divide.
Mark 10:10 And indoors the disciples questioned Him again about this subject.
Mark 10:11 And He said to them, Whoever dismisses (repudiates and divorces) his wife and marries another commits adultery against her;
Mark 10:12 And if a woman dismisses (repudiates and divorces) her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.

Wrongfully too many even Christian Couples get more concerned about their standard of earthly living than the quality of their spiritual life. About having a good time over time spent with the Lord Jesus Christ. They neglect God, they in fact are having an affair with the world.. So next it naturally is not remarkable they will also commit marital affairs too. because they now next do get caught up in the supposedly stressful task of earning a living, getting ahead and do neglect God and each other. They now clearly do not have God’s provision, strength to handle life or their marriage.. They now also maybe are energized at work, but tired at home. The man supposedly is now too busy to give his wife the love she needs; or the wife neglects giving her husband and also the same the sexual attention he needs. The next thing they know , they both even fall into adulterous sexual temptation, and seem to have set each other up for an affair. 1 Corinthians 7:2-5. When the husband fails to give his wife the unique attention she needs and the wife fails to give her husband the unique attention he needs, they create a set of circumstances that gives the devil an opportunity to tempt them to go outside the marriage for what they should be providing for each other in the marriage. The solution firstly is getting back personally to God. Wounded marriages can be made whole but only if both off the spouses firstly get right with God. Too often that is not the case still.

Material and emotional neglect or even being abused by a spouse is not grounds for divorce, but any abuse it is ground for calling the police or martial separation.. material and emotional neglect is grounds for separation too.. unless you actually are the cause of it, the real instigator?
On clear Fools who think they can have a happy life, a happy marriage, can be doing their own thing, all without God too. Failure to daily read and to apply the Bible regularly as individuals and as couples seriously now leaves a point of spiritual vulnerability the devil can use to tear couples apart. Read the Bible together. In the population of people I counsel, I see less than 10 percent of the couples reading the Bible together. Failure to read the Bible regularly as individuals and as couples leaves a point of spiritual vulnerability the devil can use to tear couples apart. Pray together , do have a brief time of prayer together at the beginning of the day, end of the day, or both times—a prayer time WILL HELP YOU TO spiritually unite. Be always still loving, considerate, patient with, kind to each other. Learn to talk to each other, if you love someone you will talk to them.. Don’t try to force solutions to the problems per your demands, time, schedule even. But don’t deceive yourself into thinking problems you don’t deal with will go away. If you deny them and suppress them, they often will erode the foundation of your marriage and put distance between you. Be always verbally and physically affectionate with each other more than you are to theirs especially like your mother, father, brother and sister otherwise it will show how little you love them . . Don’t take each other for granted. Put each other before your children. God called you to be married before He called you to be a parent. Guard your conversation even from language that sends the wrong kind of message to your spouse.

Do not let the sun go done on your anger, hurts, learn how to deal with it, to resolve them. Forgiveness happens as an ongoing act of one’s will, committment. The guilty spouse must ask the offended spouse for forgiveness. The offended spouse must take the step of accepting the apology and granting forgiveness. And here if you do not forgive God will not forgive you next too. We all have many things we daily need God’s forgiveness for too.

Immediately after a forced separation this is a very dangerous time in the recovery process. Couples separated more than 3 days ate rarefy reconciled next, or healed. A lesson we learn from this is that the pleasure of an adulterous relationship, pleasure of self centeredness is never worth the price that next has to be paid for it!

Dream on if most of you falsely still think a new marriage may be better too.. rarely is it the case..

Now we should all know that adultery is a sin and one has to repent of it lest a worse thing next happens to them, like even more shame and more public humiliations even!!!

Clearly (Gal 6:7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

(Luke 12:3 KJV) Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

Luke 16:18 Whoever divorces (dismisses and repudiates) his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

“For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away…” -Malachi 2:16

“Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” -Matthew 19:6

Divorce and remarriages is always is a sin! Perhaps you may try to think that marriage is the “old fashioned” way. The first marriage is the “right and only way”

To divorce your spouse is always a sin, and you will also be responsible for their sinning if they remarry. But you can’t be held responsible for your spouse if they’re already committing the sin on their own.

According to some reliable sources, more married married women these days now have had an affair during the course of their marriage over the married men, Such acts on part of men or women are never acceptable. God still does makes people to pay a terrible price for destroying a home. Some few people fortunately do learn the terrible price adultery extracts from everyone involved and readily conclude that whatever pleasure may be involved is never worth the price: the loss of fellowship with the Lord; potential loss of spouse and children; and, embarrassment and humiliation among friends. King David was one of them. He David confessed his sins to God and God forgive him, but he still paid negative consequences as a result too.

Psalm 39:1 A Psalm of David. I said, I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me.
2 I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred.
3 My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue,
4 LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am.
5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
6 Surely every man walketh in a vain show: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them.
7 And now, Lord, what wait I for? my hope is in thee.
8 Deliver me from all my transgressions: make me not the reproach of the foolish.
9 I was dumb, I opened not my mouth; because thou didst it.
10 Remove thy stroke away from me: I am consumed by the blow of thine hand.
11 When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity, thou makest his beauty to consume away like a moth: surely every man is vanity. Selah.
12 Hear my prayer, O LORD, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a stranger with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were.
13 O spare me, that I may recover strength, before I go hence, and be no more.

If your spouse continues to commit adultery and is unrepentant, you next either divorce them or separate from them.. but you no longer live with them. Matthew 5:32, Jesus said, “But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.“

Mark 10:20 And he replied to Him, Teacher, I have carefully guarded {and} observed all these {and} taken care not to violate them from my boyhood. 21 And Jesus, looking upon him, loved him, and He said to him, You lack one thing; go and sell all you have and give [the money] to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come [and] accompany Me [walking the same road that I walk].

Mark 10:23 And Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, With what difficulty will those who possess wealth {and} keep on holding it enter the kingdom of God!
Great spiritual men who clearly had bad wives but still they were not a reflection on the husband personally!

(Mat 10:36 KJV) And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

It does not say might be, can be.. but it says will be..

(Micah 3:5 KJV) Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.

King David’s wife (2 Sam 6:12 KJV) And it was told king David, saying, The LORD hath blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertaineth unto him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness. 13 And it was so, that when they that bare the ark of the LORD had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatlings. 14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. 15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet. 16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul’s daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart. 17 And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD. 18 And as soon as David had made an end of offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts. 19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine. So all the people departed every one to his house. 20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself! 21 And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD. 22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. 23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

and Job’s wife too.. (Job 2:10 KJV) But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

and we condemnation of have Lot’s bad wife.. but there is no direct biblical condemnation now about Lot..
(Luke 17:32 KJV) Remember Lot’s wife. (Luke 17:33 KJV) Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. (Luke 17:34 KJV) I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

(Lev 21:7 KJV) They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.

A great prophet had even married and slept with a prostitute at God’s command..

(Hosea 1:2 KJV) The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.

Before you non hypocritically now try to change, correct, rebuke your spouse, you must first insure that you yourself now are also are right before God, that you have dealt with your owns sins, cause rightfully next all of your words will be hollow, not ring true, will be infective still.. reality!!! If there are changes to be made God is the one who will do it next too.

All Christians cannot Marry any Non Christians or get divorced or commit Polygamy.

Historically, biblically In the New Testament times, Bible there was also no practice of polygamy amongst any of the Christians or the apostles, church leaders.
Polygamy ALSO IS A SIN, is wrong because it necessarily involves adultery. That is why it and homosexuality is not specifically banned anywhere in the New testament Bible – because it is covered by the applicable old testament laws that deal with adultery and homosexuality .

If you have sex with someone other than your wife then it is adultery, and simply going through a ceremony, even if it is legally valid, cannot make that second woman into a wife in the eyes of God.

Adultery is stealing the sex that does not belong to you, it belongs to another man or women.

99.9 percent of the Christians have never practiced polygamy for centuries now too and that alone should have been quite explicit the clear condemnation of polygamy.

(Lev 21:7 KJV) They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.

In the ongoing secular societies of today sex sins, specially sex outside of marriage, adultery is personally still taken much too lightly, but these sins for Christians also do have real, serious negative consequences, the disapproval of God clearly indicated now in the Bible. In reality when one has indulged in adultery, one has tended to also simultaneously or previously indulged in many other unacceptable sins now too. Over 55 percent of evangelical pastors have committed adultery now too in North America… and it is no wonder they wrongfully tend to counsel divorce too.

The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein. (Proverbs 22:14 KJV)

Don’t even look at any “strange women.” If you do, you will utter perverse things. Proverbs 23:33

(Exo 20:14 KJV) Thou shalt not commit adultery.

GOD STILL DOES PUNISH THE SIN OF ADULTERY/POLYGAMY

Jesus says that to marry another, other than your first, is adultery (Mark 10:1-12). In Matthew 19:8, Jesus clearly says that if a man divorces a women other than for marital unfaithfulness,and marries another women it is deemed adultery. In such a context, can a man have more than one wife ?

Mark 10:1-12 Anyone arguing for the acceptability of polygamy must deal with Jesus’ explicit statement: “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.” Taking another spouse is adultery against the first spouse.

It is also simply a non sequitur to suggest that because the narrator does not comment on the polygamous practices of the patriarchs, the narrator therefore approves of them.
“27‘Y ou have heard that it was said, “You shall not commit adultery.” 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Matthew 5.27,28

Yes it in the New Testament sin means having sex wrongfully with someone you are not entitled to have sex with

In Jesus’ teaching on divorce, He pinpoints God’s original intent on marriage. Consider: “6 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7 ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, 8and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh.” Mark 10.6-8

“1 Now King Solomon loved many foreign women, along with the daughter of Pharaoh: Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite women, 2from the nations concerning which the LORD had said to the people of Israel, ‘You shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you, for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods.’ Solomon clung to these in love. 3He had 700 wives, princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart… 9And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice” 1 Kings 11.1-3, 9

Just because we CAN do any thing does not mean we should. Solomon knew right from wrong. And he chose the latter.

“Does God endorse sin?” and the answer is *no*. God never endorses sin because if He did it would be a contradiction and God would not be a perfect God of righteousness. God can never encourage sin, but He can allow or permit sin to flourish.

“3And David came to his house at Jerusalem. And the king took the ten concubines whom he had left to care for the house and put them in a house under guard and provided for them, but did not go in to them. So they were shut up until the day of their death, living as if in widowhood.” 2 Samuel 20.3

Not only did David not have a sexual relationship with them, he also did not have a marriage relationship with them. Thus, he preserved his monogamous relationship with Bathsheeba.

polygamy is not condoned or allowed in the Bible because it goes against God’s very plan for the marriage covenant, the union of one male and one female to become one flesh, and because it is an act of adultery. Those who point to examples of David, Solomon, and other Old Testament saints have made the mistake that a report of what took place is equal to the sanctioning of an event. As we can see, this inference is not at all necessary to make, and is quite a logical jump. In fact, if we pause to consider the teaching of tota scriptura, all of Scripture, we see that polygamy is expressly forbidden and that these individuals were sinning against God.

When God created Adam, and saw it was not good for him to be alone, God gave Adam a wife—one wife, not three or seven. This alone should be enough to persuade us of the wrongness of polygamy. Yet polygamy existed in patriarchal times. And when we look at the lives of the patriarchs, it is more than obvious that their polygamous lives did not produce good fruit. Abraham’s polygamy with Hagar produced envy and strife in his family (Gen. 16:6, 21:8-10). Jacob’s two wives produced a harvest of envy, competition, resentment, and fraternal hatred (Gen. 29-31, 36-37). Polygamy is not portrayed in a positive light in the patriarchs.
http://thisblogchoseyou.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/polygamy-and-the-bible/

God in the New Testament DID not tell us to practice monogamy as we see in
(Eph 5:22 KJV) Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
(Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(Eph 5:24 KJV) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:25 KJV) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
(Eph 5:26 KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
(Eph 5:27 KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
(Eph 5:28 KJV) So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
(Eph 5:29 KJV) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
(Eph 5:30 KJV) For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
(Eph 5:31 KJV) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two ( not 2 or more) shall be one flesh.
(Eph 5:32 KJV) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
(Eph 5:33 KJV) Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife ( singular) even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
(1 Tim 3:2 KJV) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
(1 Tim 3:12 KJV) Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
(Titus 1:6 KJV) If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

Polygamy wasn’t included before ‘Paradise was Lost‘. As we see in Adam and Eve (not plural Eves, Nor Adam and Steve too), and the general guideline for marriage ((Gen 2:24 KJV) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife:9 Singular and nto polral too) and they shall be one flesh. 25 And they were both ( just 2) naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.) where we see that monogamy was God’s perfect will.
God in the Old testament had permitted many things, such as divorce (Matthew 5:31-32; Mark 10:2-12), being that their hearts were hard. But not in the New Testament now..

Still 1 Kings 11 shows that Polygamy is quite foolish. Joining yourself with multiple people has spiritual, psychological and applicational problems.

http://apologetiks.com/2008/05/14/the-bibles-view-on-polygamy/

The false trend toward greater acceptance of sin:

As time progresses, American culture becomes acceptant of behaviors that our forefathers would have renounced adamantly.
Some of the first behaviors to be accepted culturally were adultery [sex outside the bonds of matrimony], cohabitation [an unwed couple living together], and pornography. Originally considered both shameful and illegal, adultery and cohabitation are now widely practiced and accepted both legally and culturally. Pornography is not only legal, but widely popular in every sector of our society.

Abortion has become widely accepted both culturally and legally. Prior to 1973, many people did not even know what abortion was. Even after its legalization, most condemned it personally, but often felt it should still be a private decision. Now this atrocity to our unborn is widely accepted and practiced all across America.
Prostitution has become viewed less shamefully than it had in the past. One county in our nation has legalized prostitution.
Homosexuality is now accepted as a normal form of sexuality. First the American Psychiatric Association declared it was no longer a disease. Then the public began to accept it as “normal”. And in 2004, the courts said that homosexuals should be allowed to marry one another.

The Bible tells us that those who fail to glorify God will accept and practice increasing sin:
“Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”[Romans 1:32]

Polygamy: the next false sin to be accepted?

Is polygamy next? After that, what will be the next sins that our society will accept? Shall we also accept group marriages, and pedophilia? Where does it end?

What the Bible says:
The Bible clearly gives God’s intent for marriage and sexuality. God created our bodies for Him, not so that we can do with it whatever we want. God’s will is that no one would use their body in any way contrary to His plan.
“The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.” [I Corinthians 6:13] “Therefore, honor God with your body.” [I Corinthians 6:20]
“The precepts of the LORD are right, giving joy to the heart.” [Psalm 19:8]
Let us not forget what God did to the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah:
“In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire”. [Jude 7]
“Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens.” [Genesis 19:24]
http://www.eadshome.com/polygamy.htm
Read the Bible, all of it and the references

GOD STILL DOES PUNISH THE SIN OF ADULTERY/POLYGAMY http://pbulow.tripod.com/adultery.html http://pbulow.tripod.com/polygamy.htm

Generally these days it is the wife who wrongfully files for divorce, and before that it used to be the men. These days the too often dirty lawyers who make blood money from divorce, are wolves in sheep clothing now picturing themselves and the spouse to the courts, as good persons, decent, honest, reliable, falsely claiming her now to be a totally good , honest person, and not another typical liar too.

The lawyers who tend to be too often liars themselves they like to present the female spouse before the Queen’s courts, before the supposedly reputable judge, who in my witness, experiences actual too often is also now a liar, pretender himself, a person who does not get off the bench cause he is too lazy to ascertain the truth of the facts being presented to him or her.

The lawyers like to present the wife as a decent, respected, good, moral person who now has provided faithfully for her husband, she did not, does not abuse any them not even her bad husband, she does not cheat, lie or steal now as well.

The still mostly liars like to present her as an a good person, whereas more likely in reality she also is another demon. In fact men and women tend to be equal sinners, before God and man. In fact the same spouse she likely has slandered, lied, committed adultery, even stole from her spouse and now she will keep on lying, perjuring herself hoping next to get a good alimony support from her spouse.

Many a person when they see these people divorcing they really tend next not to recognize them and their behavior, for it clearly is different from what they had known before, were used too in fact.

All of a sudden clearly new now openly monsters here have arisen. In reality the wife is not the mostly innocent, the sole injured party and the husband is not the sole bad guy, villain too.

All of these mostly immoral, lying now people, bad pastors, bad spouses, bad lawyers, bad judges tend to first need decent, real, pastoral counseling themselves.
Christian Lies, Divorce And/or Christian Divorce Remarriage, (as well as adultery, fornication , Alcoholism, drugs, smoking, gays) In the Christian Church are ALL still unacceptable.

do see also
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/god-speaks/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/the-problemed-family/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/favorite-christian-based-reading-resources/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/how-to-deal-with-the-negative-circumstances-in-your-life/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/unfaithful/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-false-divorce-incentives/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/it-is-not-good-for-the-man-to-dwell-alone/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/friendly-friends-soulmate-friendship-companion/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/money-the-root-of-all-evil/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/can-a-non-christian-marry-an-christian/

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The History and Future of the Present Florida Revival

“The History and Future of the Present Revival – Part 9  View Part 1

Over the last couple of weeks, there has been an increasing swirl of controversy regarding Todd Bentley. I have had almost daily contact with him, and he asked me to post the following:

Todd Bentley asked me to convey his appreciation for all the prayers, expressions of love, and concern while he tries to navigate through this present situation. He is grieved by the trouble and confusion this has caused, especially to his friends, coworkers, and all who have trusted him. He wants to make a clear statement about it, acknowledging his responsibility in this and the mistakes he made, but he feels that he should first meet with Pastor Bill Johnson, who is out of the country and will not be available for a couple more weeks. He asks that you would continue to pray for him, and he thanks those who are willing to be patient. He wants to do this right and not hastily or superficially.   

I would like to accept personal responsibility for counseling Todd to wait until he has talked with Bill before trying to make the “full disclosure” of his mistakes. This needs to be done right and in a way that does not unnecessarily hurt even more people. In just a couple of weeks, things should have calmed down enough for a statement to be made. Impatience is not a fruit of the Spirit, and I have personally never seen anything done under the kind of duress and pressure that some are trying to exert at this time that ended up not being a mistake.

The only thing that I have received from the Lord about this matter directly is that “those who rush to judgment will be exposed.” This entire matter, including the Lakeland Outpouring, is a test. To me, the miracles, healings, salvations, and profoundly changed lives that resulted in people, some that I personally know, make all that is happening now still worth it, many times over.

My opinion of the Lakeland Outpouring has not changed, and it will mark a demarcation point for the church that will have a positive impact on our future. I greatly appreciate all who helped to make it possible, and I also appreciate the devotion we are seeing to not compromise basic biblical standards of morality and integrity. If we handle what is now before us rightly, it can have an even greater impact than the Outpouring did to encourage and strengthen the church for the great tasks before us.

I have no doubt that many of the statements that are now being made are going to be regretted by those who made them. Since I am appealing for a couple of weeks to give Todd the chance to process these matters and meet with Bill Johnson, I think we should give any who may have made premature statements some grace too. There are leaders who are applauding some of these statements, but almost every Christian that has talked to me about them, as well as most of the leaders I have talked to, thought that they were hastily made statements meant to cover their bases which cost these leaders a lot of credibility. I have only read a few, and that was not necessarily my perspective, though it is very obvious with some.

Even if this is the case, this is a natural tendency when someone is wounded. I think we should resist writing off these people and maybe have a moratorium to allow everyone a chance to retract what they have written for the last couple of weeks. We are told in Galatians 6:7 that we will all reap what we sow, which means that if we want to receive grace, we should give it, and if we want to receive mercy, we should give it. There may be some of this in my own writing that I am not able to see because I too am hurt by this situation. Therefore, I am also asking for grace and mercy if this is the case.

My main concern is that some of the worst doctrines and actions taken in church history were the result of people responding out of their wounds rather than by following the Lord. A lot of people are understandably hurting right now. Even so, those who resist taking action or making statements out of their pain, or under pressure, will be glad they did. Again, impatience is not a fruit of the Spirit, and it will never lead us to where the Lord wants to take us. Those who rush to judgment, or are hasty to take action, are not treated kindly in Scripture, and are likely to pay a high and unnecessary price for it.

I recommended to Todd to allow a panel of those who are considered true elders in the body of Christ, who could be impartial, to judge this situation, and he readily agreed. He did not make any demands or suggestions about who should be on the panel. He only said that he felt he should not cross the line and say anything negative about his wife, and that he intends to continue to love her and his children, and take care of them.

The Apostle Paul lamented in I Corinthians 6:5 saying it was to their shame that there were no judges among them, yet they were even called to judge angels. The lack of elders, who are also called as judges, is probably still the main cause for much of the shame that continues in the body of Christ. Righteousness and justice are the foundation of the Lord’s throne as we are told in Psalm 89:14, and if we are going to walk in His authority there must be a place for due process that is a standard of justice. God obviously cares very deeply about people being treated fairly and that His standards of righteousness are upheld. His seat of authority demands this for a foundation.

One thing we can be sure of—the Judge is on His throne and all of this is going to work out for good for His people. I am more encouraged every day at what is unfolding and at the great opportunity this situation is for us. The Holy Spirit moved upon the chaos in the beginning and look at the beautiful creation He brought forth! He knows how to do this and seems to love the opportunity that chaos gives Him to show what He can do. This, too, will work out for good to everyone who loves Him and is called according to His purpose. We have this as a sure promise from the One who cannot lie.”

http://www.morningstarministries.org/Articles/1000036553/MorningStar_Ministries/Media/Special_Bulletins/2008/_13_The.aspx

Pastors, Elders, Shepherds, Christian Leaders, Evangelists


(Prov 27:23 KJV)  Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds.

I have no hidden agendas, I am not trying to get you to buy anything, I offer everything free, absolutely no money is asked for. There there is no church to join now as well, I merely try to tell the whole honest truth, positive and negative ones, even about politics, religion or what ever. http://redreadingroom.blogspot.com/2008/01/intro.html 


PEOPLE ARE LAZY AND WANT AN OVER SIMPLIFIED RELIGION, GOSPEL, BIBLE.. AND 95 PERCENT OF THE CHRISTIANS EVEN NOW  DO NOT READ THE BIBLE FOR THEMSELVES FOR MORE THAN  5 MINUTES A DAY, SO THEY BELIEVE MOSTLY WHAT OTHERS HAD SAID ABOUT THE BIBLE.

One thing for sure I have observed that where there are sheep now there are also many wolves, for where there are real Christians there are also the  the pretenders amongst them now. today as well. The pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing do now show up for all kind of reasons even to seduce the sheep. They masquerade a pastors,, assistant pastors, elders, youth ministers, Bible college students now as well. But a close examination daily reveals these pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing really have not changed, they are self centered, unloving, tend to lack compassion and consideration for any others.sad but true.. too many false pastors, false teachers, false cults, false denominations with hidden agenda take advantage of this void and lead the professing Christian sheep astray next, helped by the devil in all of this too undeniably.

There are two people in the Bible who are called the “Son of Perdition,” Judas and the Antichrist!! It also seems  both are very much into money. The Bible says the Pharisees loved money and so did Judas, so they had a common affection. This is why they were able to bribe Judas to betray our Lord. The love of money, the root of all evil, the love of what money now next can buy as well, often shows us whether a person now is a real Christian, or a pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing. “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!” You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. “Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. “For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity” (Acts 8:20-23).

(Mat 12:45 KJV)  Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

I practice what I preach.. All good pastor(s)  should also do home visitations, visit the flock in their homes.. be eqaully concerned about their whole good welfare of all of the flock now too according to my reading of the scriptures and the term Pastor is always plural, not singular,  meaning there are too be many pastors in any local church, and pastors have to submit to the gifted elders, who are the apostles- missionaries and prophets- appointed by  God as his spokesman – the NT Greek verb is continually present- meaning God continues to give these men ( or women – such as Junia note worthy amongst the apostles) unto the church now as well , but  sadly most pastors tend to deny the existence of these offices cause they are rebels who wrongfully refuse to submit to other’s but submission is metal- meaning reciprocal.. and also note this voluntarily, unenforceable..

God still opposes all Churches, leader’s still unrepentant sins, and all of their human rights abuses, and the best way to deal with it is to shout it from the housetops, call the police.. expose it to all.. I do.

it was interesting I had met this really crooked head elder and head deacon in a Baptist church, not just in Pentecostal churches, where elders tend to be pretentious ones too.. such as the one who was an elder and owned a bar that served alcohol of all things.. and told me if I come to his church he would call the police against me,, the same church next helped to close down, had the federal government remove their tax exempt licenses after I had exposed in writing to news editors, elected officials too  their abuses, money thefts, slanders, etc.,

And a  Baptist pastor I know had cheated, for he had short circuited the selection process, he had the nominating committee before any  selection submit the names to him for his prior approval of their supposedly spiritual qualifications and he elected his bad friends.. one Sunday evening as I was leaving the church and shaking hands with the pastor, he unexpectedly said to me “ this is my church and if you do not like it get out”.. shocked and surprised I said to the pastor if I have offended you let me meet you this week Tuesday night and you can bring any two witnesses you ant as well and we can discuss the matter. he agreed and I knew that he would bring the head elder and the head deacons.. as I walked into the pastor’s office on Tuesday day night, the founding church pastor said immediately to me wipe the smirk of your face.. so I immediately said.. hey pastor let us make this quick, Did you or did you not say to me this is my church and if you do not like it get out? you should have seen the shock on the deacon and elder’s face. The pastor seeing this too next said you cannot hear any charges form this man for I am a senior and if you listen to him I will resign. I said pastor if you want to resign, do so, but cut of the emotional black main and answer the question.. he resigned instead, and became a life insurance salesman rather next..

Living high on the hog is always still an unacceptable, unchristian thing to do too. Especially for any Pastors, evangelist.

“Living in Immodest Luxury             

 

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (Greek A-Selgia)  A-Selgia is” One living in immodest luxury. So a work of the Spirit in Luke 6 is identified by Christ as: blessed be ye poor, and living in that modest chaste lifestyle just as Christ and the Apostles did.  “For the servant is not above the master.” And one of the works of the flesh is identified and defined by Paul as: A-Selgia living in immodest luxury or wealth. –A lifestyle that Christ refused from the hand of the serpent when it was offered Him. “And He MADE Himself of no reputation.” Living a modest and humble life with little in the way of the things of this world.
Mark 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury [Christ already spoke here of all sex sins in adultery and fornication])   an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury) which they have committed. (Eprazen, To be occupied with [This is their life or daily focus – This is part of the Roman Credo “Eat drink and be merry” Paul actually quotes the phrase elsewhere.)
Ephesians 4:19 (Greek Interlinear) Who having cast all feelings  (Of living righteously before God) have given themselves to (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury) For (The) working of all uncleanness with greediness. (Pleonezia To have more than another [Here now we have a passage where the word greediness, covetousness, or the desire for abject wealth associated with A-Selgia])
1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury – [This is expressed in the Gospels over and over again by the Apostles who wanted to be wealthy and rule an earthly kingdom]) lusts, (Epithumia – One’s deep desire. The word on the negative side entails riches, the things of the world, and the desire for earthly power,) excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, (Peter here is using the words Eating drinking and being merry here with A-Selgia) and abominable idolatries:
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury) and denying the only (Monon One) Lord, (Despoten Master) God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (This is a reference to Christ living modestly and making himself of no reputation – and denying there is only one Lord in all of the Church Jesus Christ, These deny this by  making themselves out to be kings, lords, and the rulers over this world [Kingdom Kidz] – It is astonishing here that “”The A-Selgia of those who have crept in” and their teaching of others to enter into their A-Selgia  so as to deny how Christ so walked – So encompasses the teachings of the prosperity gospel that has crept in the church today)”  http://www.alaskandreams.net/ekklesia/articles.htm

Most Christian professing people can be easily lied to, mislead, since they are in often in unrepentant sins and rarely read the Bible.. and at least of them 70 percent are not even born again, and most of the rest are not anointed, filled with the Holy Spirit, pastors included cause they have not made Jesus Christ as Lord of their life yet too..  they are still mostly doing their own thing and really do not know God .. sad..  70 percent of today’s pastors have admitted to committing adultery..  and what do you think the rest do as well?

So some people think that the solution is going back and reestablishing the New Testament church structure.. what these people need firstly is getting the book of acts Pentecostal experiences.. and they will naturally next pray, give, care for the poor people, manifest gifts, speak in tongues, prophecy and act like real anointed Christians… and not act like not more imposters, pretenders, members of a religious social club..  others..

Establishing the Biblical church.. following the New Testament pattern in the book of Acts.. one of my favorite topics.. it cannot be done! Not without having the people, elders, pastors in the church first filled with, Baptized the Holy Spirit, and next also helping the poor people in their own church, instead of robbing, stealing from them.. In A Biblical Church, I also do agree with note the community nature of the Church of Acts, as opposed to the Corporate churches like those run by many TV Evangelists, the Pentecostals, and the Christian Missionary Alliance included. I really do prefer the king James Bible cause it continually uses the term slaves, servants for God’s people.. the modern translations substitute the word leader.. and the often take charge, control freak, dictatorial leader contradicts this godly mutual submission for sure. Relationship Submission in the Bible unenforced, and is voluntarily with the exception of a wife submitting to a husband, which is mandatory, but even here there is mutual submission.. reminds me the devil took control and we all saw what happened next, the world went into chaos mode..  http://pbulow.tripod.com/pastors.html

“For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” (Jeremiah 29:11)

http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome   http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/?s=anointed

Home churches established without the sole leading of the Holy Spirit still has a lot of elders, decisions undeniably committing adultery with their flock…  and many becoming alcoholics now   still too, These facts, truths always still do remain.. there is a tendency in us all, in churches, on the net too, elsewhere to do our own thing in the flesh as opposed to being led by the Holy Spirit of God as we can often see..

(Gal 5:19 KJV)  Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,20  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24  And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26  Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

(1 John 3:8 KJV)  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

As far as a good system to give to the poor.. it is already there in the book of acts.. it is giving to the poor through your local church.. even the old testament tithe insisted that 1/7 of the tithe be given to the local poor people.  We all do have a responsibility to give firstly to the poor in our own church, neighborhood through the local church, and that is why the Deacons were set to do this. If the deacons are not doing this.. that is another issue..  and yes still we have a responsibly always still to insure the moneys is not being stolen, even in churches now too.

(Acts 6:1 KJV) And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. 2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables .3   Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

(Acts 2:45 KJV) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (Acts 4:35 KJV) And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Galatians 6:10 (New American Standard Bible) 10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

Apostle Paul beyond a shadow of doubt a real Christian, who took all precautions not to give any offence, was honest, trustworthy too.. was definitely also working in helping the poor people in Rome, elsewhere, as part as his Christian Duties too now, so should all Pastors thus now too!

Rev George Mueller is a classical example of a faith ministry helping poor persons., and this pastor did not live high on the hog in the process too, he was not empire building, or helping himself. Mother Theresa and many others now as well.

In fact the whole New Testament Christian church was helping the Poor Christian persons firstly not just apostle Paul, for they will know we are Christians by how we love one another, not our mere words still too– he Paul was just a delivery boy on behalf of the Christian Church, And all pastors need to help the poor people in their church, all churches too.. Jesus Christ cared for the poor people! yes he fed them, healed them, delivered them too.
and all very much unlike these days where the evangelical leaders live high on the hog, and their churches especially seems to be too self centered, have falsely abdicated their duties, roles falsely in helping the poor people.. but seem too readily even these days to steal the tithe..

Undeniably 1/7 of the tithe was to be given directly to the local poor people, can any local evangelical, catholic church , even the cult Mormon prove in fact that they do this? The tithe itself also could not be used for paying of mortgages, nor can any person owning any tangible property- real estate , even supposedly poor person or a Christian worker received any portion of the tithe now as well… just as these same principles are applied to persons receiving social welfare from the governments too.

The priests themselves in the book of Malachi themselves now by God were rightfully accused of abusing, or stealing God’s tithes , and that happens too often theses days now still in the churches. I had many an evangelical pastor tell me they would kick me out of their church if I preached any of this above in their church too. I have even seen evangelical pastors often steal directly myself and reported it too.

Yes my main point was the Godly, Biblical pattern for giving to the poor people set forth for giving to the poor people was definitely through the church still, if the LOCAL church is not doing it, it is time to get the LOCAL church in order. And where local churches who don’t have the infrastructure to help poor people in their church should establish one.. and yes they can send money to another church they can really trust to do this too in another country to help the poor people there.. it is an still unacceptable sin how much too often now the donations are too often abused. We as Christians have to be diligent to see next also how the money is obeying spent, not just in donating it .
I had also noted in the past from a study of events and history that the most lasting efforts, contributions were those that involved the Church directly… which now includes shelters, hospital and university too and worldwide. Famous university, hospitals were originally started by Christian organizations, churches, in Canada and the US now too, both Catholic and protestant ones too.

THE MAN IS THE KING OF THE HOUSE, THE WOMAN HIS DUTIFUL SUBJECT. The man is the king of the  household, and the wife is only the prime minister. There is no confusion or overlapping of authority. The will of the husband is law. He has the  only   place of honor . The arrangements of the house, the company entertained, and the service employed, all have respect to his wishes and to his convenience. The wife conducts the affairs of state for the king. She has her household and, more than  her personal allowance, and she renders a strict account of stewardship.   The wife’s personal expenditures are less, much less than the husband’s. The will of the husband is the  undisputed law; as to the wife her person, her property, her children under his sole control even to the present time are the rights secured to the husband under present English law. Like it or not but these laws were based on the Bible, which states   (Eph 5:23 KJV) ” For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body”

and most Evangelical pastors npw too  DO need to recognize, preach  AND PRACTICE this still too.

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:

(Micah 3:6 KJV)  Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7  Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. 8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous {and} the wrongdoers will not inherit {or} have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure {and} immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

1 Cor 15:33 Do not be so deceived {and} misled! Evil companionships (communion, associations) corrupt {and} deprave good manners {and} morals {and} character.

Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived {and} deluded {and} misled; God will not allow Himself to be sneered at (scorned, disdained, or mocked by mere pretensions or professions, or by His precepts being set aside.) [He inevitably deludes himself who attempts to delude God.] For whatever a man sows, that {and} that only is what he will reap.

2 Tim 3:13 But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving {and} leading astray others and being deceived {and} led astray themselves.

(Acts 20:29 KJV)  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. (Acts 20:30 KJV)  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. (Acts 20:31 KJV)  Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.(Acts 20:32 KJV)  And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.(Acts 20:33 KJV)  I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. (Acts 20:34 KJV)  Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

(Acts 20:35 KJV)  I have showed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent

(Mark 3:33 KJV)  And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34   And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35   For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

(Mat 25:31 KJV)  When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35  For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42  For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

>> Were do you get your stat that 70% of Christians are really NOT Christians? Think that number is a little too high.  August 6, 2008 at 11:00 pm

 
 

 

 

Misled Christianity

“Have you ever wondered why we Christians do what we do for church every Sunday morning? Why do we “dress up” for church? Why does the pastor preach a sermon each week? Why do we have pews, steeples, choirs, and seminaries? This volume reveals the startling truth: most of what Christians do in present-day churches is not rooted in the New Testament, but in pagan culture and rituals developed long after the death of the apostles. Coauthors Frank Viola and George Barna support their thesis with compelling historical evidence in the first-ever book to document the full story of modern Christian church practices.  Many Christians take for granted that their church’s practices are rooted in Scripture. Yet those practices look very different from those of the first-century church. The New Testament is not silent on how the early church freely expressed the reality of Christ’s indwelling in ways that rocked the first-century world. Times have changed. Pagan Christianity leads us on a fascinating tour through church history, revealing this startling and unsettling truth: Many cherished church traditions embraced today originated not out of the New Testament, but out of pagan practices. One of the most troubling outcomes has been the effect on average believers: turning them from living expressions of Christ’s glory and power to passive observers. If you want to see that trend reversed, turn to Pagan Christianity . . . a book that examines and challenges every aspect of our contemporary church experience.  http://www.paganchristianity.org/” clearly another hireling trying to make money from God’s people too..

Most Christian professing people can be easily lied to, mislead, since they are in often in unrepentant sins and rarely read the Bible.. and at least of them 70 percent are not even born again, and most of the rest are not anointed, filled with the Holy Spirit, pastors included cause they have not made Jesus Christ as Lord of their life yet too..  they are still mostly doing their own thing and really do not know God .. sad..  70 percent of today’s pastors have admitted to committing adultery..  and what do you think the rest do as well?

So some people think that the solution is going back and reestablishing the New Testament church structure.. what these people need firstly is getting the book of acts Pentecostal experiences.. and they will naturally next pray, give, care for the poor people, manifest gifts, speak in toungues, prophecy and act like real anointed Christians… and not act like not more imposters, pretenders, members of a relgious social club..  others..   http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome

Home churches established without the sole leading of the Holy Spirit still has a lot of elders, decisions undeniably committing adultery with their flock…  and many becominmg alcoholics now   still too

(Ezek 10:4 KJV)  Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD’S glory.

(Hab 2:14 KJV)  For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

(Luke 1:15 KJV)  For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.

(Luke 1:41 KJV)  And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

(Luke 1:67 KJV)  And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

(John 12:3 KJV)  Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

(Acts 2:4 KJV)  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

(Acts 4:8 KJV)  Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

(Acts 4:31 KJV)  And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

(Acts 9:17 KJV)  And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

(Acts 13:9 KJV)  Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,

(Eph 5:18 KJV)  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

(Phil 1:11 KJV)  Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/?s=anointed

(Col 1:9 KJV)  For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/quartlerly-update-christian-posts/

PS: Don’t consequences still follow after forgiveness?
I think there is a problem in identifying divorce as a punishment in Matthew 19 and other locations.  The divorce “option” is not there as a means of punishment for one party or the other.  It may logically be thought of as a consequence, but it is not actually a punishment. 
(Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
  
Actually the degree of negative personal consequences also are determined as to how quickly you on your own had repented of your major sins, or did Gold almost have to force you into confession of your sins as he did to King david and his adulteorus realtionship with Bathsheba..
too many so called Ostriches refuse to admit God still punishes anyone for their sins.
The Bible clearly says that Adultery is God’s trap, punishment for those whom he is upset at.. and the same Bible says that God does still punishes people even for their onfessed sins even if they have been forgiven as a deterrent for them not to sin anymore. Like he did with Adam and Eve, King David, Samsons, and many others too.
And many People would know that already too had they actually read the Bible as they lying often claim they do too.

the posts the Lakeland Revival bashers seem to despise

Florida Healing Outpouring with Todd Bentley: 30 Reasons for Healing (16-30)

27 06 2008

First, Roy Fields is back!  Others leading has been moving, but there is something about him that changes the atmosphere.  Roy, welcome back.  Second if you are in Lakeland Fl on the 4th of July there will be free food. From 4-7pm, next Friday there be a celebration with free food.  This will also lead into a water Baptism service.  I am just thrilled for both of these events.  The first shows a desire to reach out to  host community and give back to those who have given so much.  As important, the second is another example of how Fresh Fire and Ignited are taking care and shepherding those who are making profession of faith under their leadership.

Another fun fact, there is now a medical doctor who is reviewing all the medical reports about healing.  The desire for accountability and integrity is great in Lakeland.   One of the assistants said there is a four step process for those who take the stage professing healing
1 Pastor volunteers from around the world, screen and test, those who claim to have received healing
2 This is then relayed to those who bring the person on stage, to ensure what is shared is consistent
3 After they are on the platform, a survey is filled out with symptoms, sign of healing and contacts.
4 FOLLOW UP!  1-2 weeks a phone call is made to see how they are doing.

Just some random quotes form Todd Bentley… he really does use the name of Jesus.
(This is just a sample, to show who the glory goes to)

“We are encouraging people to see doctors after healings.  I believe in medicine”
“It is the power of Jesus.  We are powerless without the power of the Holy Ghost
“Can we give thanks to Jesus for this.”
“We want to give all we can, leally, to the media to give the glory to Jesus.”
“We give all the glory to Jesus”
“Can we give Jesus all the glory tonight?”
while praying for healing, “Two new ankles in Jesus mighty name”

30 Reasons for Healings #16-30 (all verses NIV)

16. He does what he pleases – God is sovereign and healing happens because God chooses too.
17. Charitable Giving- (whole chapters but verses) Acts 9: 36 In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor  and Acts10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.  Based on these verses miracles happens as a direct result of charitable giving.  It would seem that when we take care of the pour, God reaches and extra measure of the miracles.
18. The Gospel – Mark 16:19-20 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.    Healing is good news and,  according to Todd, the Gospel is the power of God as well as the message of salvation
19.  I am a friend of God’s – John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.  God hears the prayers of His friends.  What do you do for your “true” friends?  The deeper the intimacy with God, the deeper the friendship. Is God your friend, because there seems to be many who understand Jehovah but do not understand Abba.  Abba, is the characteristic of a deep personal relationship.
20. The Glory of God –  John 11:4 When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.”
21. The cures of the Law – Romans 8:2  because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. Healings show that you free from the law of sin and death.
22. Desperation: Mark 5:27 When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak,  Sometime people need a touch so bad they push trough to get it.  “if only this small amount”  They are the ones who are desperate enough to reach out and get healed

23.  Connection locked up

24. Name of God – Exodus 15:26 He said, “If you listen carefully to the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, who heals you.”

25. Communion – 1 Corinthians 11:29-30 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.  This would seem to be a reason why you are not, but if it bring sickness maybe it bring healing (my thought on it, time was short so the last were real quick)

26.  Gift of the Spirit- There was no verse give to justify this, but 1 Corinthians12:9-109to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

27. The name of Jesus – Triune God, Jesus is God see #24

28.   The nature of the Holy Spirit – God creates when the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit moves.  It was after Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. That God said, “Let there be light.”  IF the Spirit lives with us, then he is moving, we should expect creation (new body parts is creation).
29. I am Saved – James 5:15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.  Faith is a gift of the Spirit and only saved people have this.  So salvation, brings faith, faith brings healing.  And, yes because Jesus forgave my sins.
30. Kingdom of God- Mathew 6:10 Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.  There is no sickness in the Kingdom, God preformes creation in His kingdom, there are miricals in the Kingdom, let it be so here

These are the second half of the 30 reasons, each with scripture refrances.  People you may not like Todd Bentley, but please be careful arguing against the word of God.  For those around Todd, let him know I said “thanks for the teaching, it has meant a lot to me.”

On a personal note:  I blew out my knee today, while walking down some stairs.  It hurt to move or even put pressure on it.  Tonight, during the broadcast, I WAS HEALED.  Proof of this, I wrote this whole blog standing up.

http://allenwilson.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/florida-healing-outpouring-with-todd-bentley-30-reasons-for-healing-16-30/

  the Lakeland critics   seem to be led by the devil..

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
  
Do see also

TOO OFTEN FALSE BASH OF PENTACOSTALS HEALERS

 

 
Mark 16:17 And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages;
Mark 16:18 They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.
Mark 16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after He had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and He sat down at the right hand of God.
Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord kept working with them and confirming the message by the attesting signs {and} miracles that closely accompanied [it]. Amen (so be it).

 
In contrast I read on the net what the bullies, bashers say about healings, miracles.

It should be clear to most of us, the bad guys do not like my  pages still.. it shows them in their true light..  the bad guys, bullies, bashers or what ever?
 
THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS  TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS IS SICKENING, A VERY POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY NOW ALSO TYPICAL OF THE MUCH TOO OFTEN FALSE BASHING OF THE PENTECOSTALS  TOO! It clearly makes me think that Satan himself is behind most of it still too. 
  
And what about the Phoney wars and phoney peace by the professing Christians now too..
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/
 
As to bullies question to me.. ““are you ranting”… my how you still do like to bash, insult people.. you do not know them even well enough to falsely even try to judge them, your approach is quite immature and unspiritual too.. looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/
 
 I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone, cause you do not act like it for sure… nor do I hope you abuse all the people like that who make a post here.. a sure way to next lose many people still too. Stay in God’s love and not rather in the flesh.. we may not agree, do have a right to differ, but we still do need to show love to the others. Need more input from me on the subject.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites.. ” 
                  
It is very clear that the much too many false Critics of the Pentecostals will try to grasp at any straws to falsely bash the Pentecostal and still try to justify their own immoral acts..

Any Christian being plagued with critics, opponents, unsubstantiated personal attacks too now, is really nothing new even to the past apostles, prophets , Jesus Christ himself who have face many similar bullies, groups etc., the devil is too ready an accuser of the Brethren, and tries to continually discredit any work of God even since the time of Jesus Christ himself now too even using inapplicable and distorted Biblical reasons and Bible verses now too.
 
 I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings any of of the latter rain churches.. 
  
A MAJORITY OF THE CRITICS OF THE LATTER DAY REVIVALS, are too clearly their now too often diverting back wrongfully the topic discussions, and themslves making often personal insulting, unacceptable derogatory remarks and  even their evidently their  typical unChristlike bullying Reponses, self righteous, a superiority attitude, and what else? is not the right approach from anyone and it does continue to reflect poorly on ALL OF THEM STILL too… 
 
THE WAY THEY THEMSELVES DO UNDENIABLY POINT FINGERS AT THEIR SELF DEFINED OPPONENTS, IN A JUDGMENTAL MANNER, UNLOVING, UNKIND, UNJUSTIFIABLE MANNER IS CLEARLY THE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE NOW TOO. And very revealing what they are firstly like themselves
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/understanding-me-and-others-better/
 
“I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering  the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and  yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real  absurdity. I myself though have opposed Todd Bentley’s associated with some really bad pastors, trying to make money form selling items at the revival.. and his false application for divorce..
  
Hey Critics, Don’t get desperate but get real… like I have rightfully said I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings  of any of the latter rain churches..
 
I did not say Charismatic supposedly churches.. cause we know those often mean rather the Catholic Pentecostals..

 
as to what the Bible says is only how you here do  interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit.
 
I have been a Christian for 50 years and a Pentecostal pastor for the last 30 years, and I have attended the  latter day churches too and often..  and specifically what about you? not the supposed others..
 
The Latter Rain movement was rejected by the AOG Pentecostals in 1948 as heretical… and what they are speaking for God now.. dream on.. There are other pentecostal persons, denominations who support them, approve of them, me included. The  AOG has it’s own falsehoods, and problems it needs to look at.. (Mat 7:3 KJV)  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
 
The Full Gospel Business Men’s fellowship uses a similar latter rain approach for decades now too.
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/laying-of-hands-impartation-breathe-of-the-spirit-anointings-anointed/
 
Too  many persons  are bashing other Pentecostals  with clearly a hidden agenda, jealousy, and it is still the wrong thing to do so now too.. they are not even doing it in love or humility Cleary as required by the Bible now  too. ”
 
Even because Evangelical Fundamentalism, dispensationalists,  too often also replaces the worship of God , the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the sole worship of the Bible, bypassing the works of the Holy Spirit it seems, though most Fundamentalists will deny that. Liberalism, too, replaces the worship of God, and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the worship of something else. In the case of Liberalism, however, the worship of God was replaced by the worship of mere human reason , and both groups are not that far apart, for they are are in error.
 
Fundamentalists worship every word and letter in the Bible. Actually, they worship their own private re-interpretation of scripture (compare 2 Peter 1:20). This is the same error that the Pharisees fell into. They ended up worshiping Torah more than God, and, even more than Torah, they worshiped their own interpretations (and the interpretations of the elders) of Torah. (They still do so today, only now they have codified those traditions into the Talmud.) Likewise, so do Fundamentalists worship their own interpretation of Scripture. In both cases, “they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.” (Romans 1:25).
 
Fundamentalists  and Liberals too need to learn the truth of 2 Corinthians 3:6, “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” They need to seek God in SPIRIT and in Truth. Liberals need to learn the truth of John 4:23 (quoted above) and of John 6:63, “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit  and they are life.” They need to seek God in Spirit and in TRUTH.   http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/12941.htm
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/
 
Reality! These days it is too hard to tell the difference between secular persons and even evangelical pastors, elders, deacons too for  they all  seem to do the same bad things too.. adultery, alcoholism, gossip, slander, divorce..
 
And when I see shallow arguments  of anyone still limiting today as to what God today can do, even through us, EVEN ABOUT HEALING,  it makes me rightfully also think how shallow their Christian faith now really is.. they are still babies in the Lord and need someone to teach them the whole truth, the whole , full gospel too, for my God can do anything, Jesus is the same , yesterday, today and forever.
 
ON TOP OF THAT I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW SO MANY OF THESE SAME PERSONS PERSONS ALSO FALSELY RISE TO DEFEND SMOKING, WINE, ALCOHOL AS WELL AND WORK FULLY TO  DENY IT IS SINFUL.. “
Spurgeon was once asked when he would quit smoking cigars. He replied, “When it becomes a problem.” He was then asked, “When will it become a problem?” To which he replied, “When I smoke two at a time.” AND look at all the false justifications for Spurgeon’s sin.. and do see also   alcoholism the unacceptable sin
 
When you talk about what the scriptures says you honestly should also point out that you mean it is how you now interpret what the scripture says.. cause too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly..
 
The people who also tell us to use only the Bible often still lie further to us.. they ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy spirit to next interpret the Bible.
 
(Eph 4:18 KJV)  Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
 
I tend to look at both sides of the issues myself.. for that matter I have now been both non Christian, and Christian, both  Baptist  and Pentecostal, and both groups still do have major errors, weakness, inadequacies, and they now also have some  good points  too.. but still there is no such thing as a perfect denomination now as well
 
But one other thing often is clearly is evident to me visiting, reading the many so called Professing Christians sites mostly all telling us the supposed truth, postings often more with dishonest hidden agendas, poorly researched too, very biased now too.. It also seems to me they are also still  are trying to convince themselves  as to what is the truth is and no one else, they build up their own false straw arguments, and then do  reply to their  own arguments. It is generally too often now not an honest presentation, discussion of the topic they have presented. http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/todd-bentley-gets-annointed-by-special-oil-from-africa/

>>Pastors are going there by the droves. I know one personally. He went to Toronto to bring some of “it” back and he’s done the same thing with Lakeland. I think he thinks this will be the answer to filling the seats in his church, “http://christiantheology.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/depart-from-me-i-never-knew-you/

Did he really tell you that or are you in truth distorting, lying, falsely judging him and many others cause you are a controling person ?
I see nothing wrong in going there and I am real Christian now too

The nonconformer replied “I never knew you, is not a criticism by Jesus that the healings, miracles done by the person(s) were false.. but a true statement that they really never knew Jesus fully or personally, it seems to apply to you now firstly too.  For no pastor, evangelist, healer IS PERFECT TO START OFF..
 
You are so sensitive to others being supposedly false, cause you clearly are false, now take the beam out of your own eye first..  Someone is wrong here and I don’t think it is that difficult (except perhaps for you) to determine who that is and that is you.. for you do twist Bible verses, slander, falsely quickly bash  others to suit your own views.. 
 
Clearly Judas was an Apostle, better look at the definition of an Apostle, an Apostle is not an unchristian person.. and he was next replaced in the book of acts by another Apostle. The fact that Jesus knew that Judas would betray him does not mean he was not anointed.. but first better look at the meaning of the word anointed now.. one who evidences the Holy spirit.. with signs and wonders Acts 10:38
 
If you do not let the Holy spirit lead you as to what a verse actually means you are part of the Blind leading the blind now, forget trying to say the scripture cannot be wrong, rather you are wrong.. “You throw the term free will around as if it does not need to be defined. ” and yet you clearly in desperation rebuttal quoted back a verse that has nothing to do with one’s free will.
 
“You have contradicted now three times the Word of Jesus,” and what a further false and wrong, judgmental act on your part too, you so easily condemn a person whom you do not know, never met, another real Christian,  a real Christian now over  50 years too, and I have been pastoring now for over 3 decades as a Pentecostal pastor too. So get a real life. Really do get Jesus.”
 
Why is it so many people try too limit the power of God, and they work so hard to try to tell us what God can and cannot do today.. for sure,  definitely it is not only cause they are spiritually immature, have a hidden agenda, are promoting themselves,  or they are unoriginal parrots who repeat what others have said , but it is often still mainly because Satan for sure is behind all this too.
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/discern-it/
Evangelical fundamental parrots often need to quote someone else cause they do not know the Holy spIrit well enough to let him lead them, even the truth about healing. I SPEAK FOR MYSELF. http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/64/
Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,
  
(Jer 32:27 KJV)  Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
 
 I undeniably could not help but notice on even the web too how supposedly British religious clergies, scholars, Christians, falsely also do bash American Pentecostal revivals? It is not being done out of jealousy too?
         
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/it-is-not-good-for-the-man-to-dwell-alone/
 
I have been on the net for over 2  decades, and I have thousands of readers regularly reading my posts.  Hey I too have often said that there are many professing bashers, bullies, liars now even on the Christian internet and they think they alone can make the rules, enforce the rules on others, and that is too bad for them too for  they need to grow up.. and to firstly get used to the right of free speech of others, other’s right to be heard and to male their own posts .. I only have about 30 internet sites written often for these bad hypocritical Christians now too  so hopefully they too will learn the truth about themselves.. too bad guys do not like me to use my right of free speech.. so what else is new.. they by their bullying, control freak approach clearly show to all what hypocritical Christians they rather are! They are not humble servants of Jesus for sure.

 
 Do see also 
 
 http://pbulow.tripod.com/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/
 http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/
http://www.socyberty.com/Advice/Are-You-a-Control-Freak.101788
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/wrongful-accusations/ 
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/   
 

isn’t it great that we  all can have the same right to make a post now and the same right to have it read by others now too?

Jews and their own need of Salvation by Jesus Christ still too

(Acts 4:10 KJV)  Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.11  This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 
(Acts 17:31 KJV)  Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
 
Like the Jews at the time of Jesus Christ here on earth too most people do not understand, do not want to admit the truth as to what realy happens to anyone after  they do die here on earth.
 
The only truth for now and forever is that Jesus Christ is the sole way of salvation, there is no other way, name by which any man, Jew or gentile can be now or in the future saved by. No other way to escape Hell..
 
Now why does any person  still falsely think or teach that 144,000 horsemen will come back for the Chosen race (the Jews) before the 2nd coming of Christ? Firstly they fail wrongfully to admit that  Jews are no longer the chosen race, they the jews in God’s will, kingdom, reign have all now been replaced by the Christians, the Christians now are the chosen ones.
 
(Heb 9:27 KJV)  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
 
The Bible says it is appointed for all men once to die and after that an immiedate, final judgement, they all next only go to heaven or hell immediately upon death based on what they, anyone  did with Jesus Christ here on earth, accepted or rejected him,  and  there is no other path for one’s personal salvation, there no purgatory as well for any Jew or non Jew too.  And now there is nothing Biblical in what anyone can  as about the Jews positive  future. Jesus is the only way of salvation for all. And these false Jewish oriented hopers, dreamers, teachers have still a  a complete false  assumption that the Bible next says that God will save all of the Jews or restablish the Jewish nation for this will never  occur. Theirs is even the the same error that Apostle Judas had made That is why so many Jews next here on earth will be deceived by the antichrist, he will tell them the lies they want to hear.
 
Any persons   falsely   expecting a resurrected nation of Israel, a continuation of the Jewish religion, a totally Jewish controlled, dominated world next will be disspaointed for  in reality any and all of the Jews  positive  present, future are now  all actually dead as far as the Bible,and  God are now concerned, and now and forever too. They the Jews  will never be resurrected again to be a nation, a group or what ever under God’s will. 
 
It is tragic, sad that too many people still cannot accept that truth, undeniable fact, that the Jews already had their chance to become Christians, they all had mostly rejected it,  and so next it is the end of them as being anything of value, purpose  in God’s sight, end.. 
(Rom 10:1 KJV) Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
 (Rom 1:20 KJV)  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21   Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (Rom 8:5 KJV)  For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
 (Rom 8:14 KJV)  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
(Rom 9:7 KJV)  Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called 8    That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
(Rom 9:32 KJV)  Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
(Rom 16:18 KJV)  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.  
 
But  some people do still still try to grasp at non existent straws to  bring back and save all or most of the Jews even at a later date.. These sad people their hope, views, beliefs are just as wrong, a false expectation  as anyone expecting another chance for anyone, someone to get saved in Heaven next for a persons who has already died unsaved. 
 
Look it at it’s simplicity, once there were the Jews as God’s chosen, now, next there are only the Christians, they are the chosen ones,  and not the Jews In the future some more Jewish person will be saved and become Christians, but only a small remnant.. And then it is the end of the world. Jesus comes for all people, Christians included and not Christians and they will get what they had personally sowed and  immediately. Heaven to be with Jesus, hell to be away from Jesus….
 
(1 Pet 4:17 KJV)  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
 
(Heb 9:28 KJV) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Both Jews and Christians now by faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 3:25 KJV)  Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

(Rom 4:3 KJV)  For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

(Rom 4:9 KJV)  Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

(Rom 4:12 KJV)  And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

(Rom 4:13 KJV)  For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

(Rom 4:16 KJV)  Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

(Gal 3:7 KJV)  Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

(Gal 3:8 KJV)  And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

(Gal 3:9 KJV)  So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

(Gal 3:14 KJV)  That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

(Gal 3:16 KJV)  Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Both Jews and Arabs, are physically from the seed of Abraham  so does that make all of Arabs now a Jew also?  No for to be a true Jew means to follow a religion, that your great great great grand mother and father both  followed.. Being born a Jew and not following the Jewish relgion did not make you truly a Jew.. 

But  next we do know that perverts, Bible  ignorant persons, liars want to play  on these words and say we are all children of God, or we are all Jews, or whatever.. but  in reality we all even Jews, are or were children of the devil, of the seed of th devil because Adam and Eve our great great great grand mother and father both had sinned..but Christians became next solleyof the seed of Jesus Christ.. yet becuase Jesus was born a Jew that did not make us all of Christians next  Jews now too.. for it does not matter who your father was, without Jesus Christ you will be in hell still .

As the Bible says Abraham foresaw Jesus Christ and he believed in Him.. if you do not beleive in Jesus Christ and no matter who you are, even a Jew, you will go to Hell..  there are on earth only Christians and non Christains, and only Christians  in Heaven. All Non Christians go to hell.

(Mat 1:1 KJV)  The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

(Mat 1:17 KJV)  So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

(Mat 3:9 KJV)  And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

(Mat 8:11 KJV)  And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

(Luke 3:8 KJV)  Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

(Luke 13:16 KJV)  And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

(Luke 13:28 KJV)  There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

(Luke 16:23 KJV)  And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24   And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.25   But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

(Luke 19:9 KJV)  And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

(John 8:53 KJV)  Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

(John 8:56 KJV)  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

(John 8:58 KJV)  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

as for the Jews

(Acts 3:13 KJV)  The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.  so they the Jews chose to go to hell

now as to the seeds.. plural or is the seed singular.. ..

(Rom 4:16 KJV) Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, the father of faith Abraham had one seed..

And not 2 seeds spirtually.. but yes he had 2 seeds physically.. Jews and Arabs if you beleive in Jesus Christ then Abraham is your examplary spiritual  father of faith..  still Abraham is the son of Godm  Jesus Christ like all Christians are too..

All Israel Shall Be Saved?

by Steve Wohlberg

Romans 11:26 says, “And so all Israel will be saved.” What does this mean?

Obviously, it doesn’t mean every Jew will be saved. In fact, the same chapter says God hopes to “save some of them” (vs. 14). Judas was a Jew, yet we know he will be lost for betraying Christ. Jesus called him, “the son of perdition” (John 17:12). Jesus told many Jews, “If you do not believe I am He [the Messiah], you will die in your sins” (John 8:24). Not every Jew believes in Jesus Christ, thus many will “die in their sins” and be lost.

Many Christians today interpret Romans 11:26 as applying to the end of the seven-year tribulation when Jesus appears in the clouds at His Second Coming. In other words, they don’t apply the verse to all Jews throughout history, but only to “all Jews” who are alive at the end. Supposedly, at the end of the tribulation, all remaining Jews in Israel will look up, see Christ coming in the clouds, realize He is the true Messiah, believe in Him, and thus “All Israel will be saved.”

This is a false teaching, as I will attempt to show.

  1. First, the context of Romans 11 is not the Second Coming.
  2. “There is no partiality with God” (Romans 2:5-11). It would be an act of partiality to save “all Jews” at the end, but not “all Jews” in history. The idea is, “When all final Jews see Christ coming in the clouds, then they will believe.” But this would give those final Jews a supposedly irresistible opportunity to believe in Jesus Christ which past Jews have not had. Nor would this be fair to “all Gentiles” living at the end. Why would God save all Jews at the end but not all Gentiles? All Gentiles will see Jesus coming just like all Jews.
  3. When Christ finally appears in the clouds, IT’S TOO LATE TO BELIEVE IN HIM. Rev. 22:11,12 says that before He comes in the clouds, all decisions have already been made. Jesus said it will be like Noah’s day (Mat. 24:37-39). In Noah’s day the door of the ark closed before the flood came (Gen. 7:16). When the flood came, it was too late. To save all Jews AT THE SECOND COMING would be like saving all those outside the ark WHEN THE RAIN STARTED FALLING.
  4. When Jesus comes in the clouds, this is the time of judgment upon ALL unbelievers who don’t know God nor obey the gospel (2 Thess. 1:7-10; Jude 14,15).

So what does this mean, “All Israel shall be saved”? First of all, Romans 9:6 says there are two Israels. one is an Israel according to the flesh (Romans 9:3,4) and the other is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:14-16). The Israel of God is composed of both Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:29). Gentiles who believe are grafted in. They become part of the “same body” with believing Jews (Eph. 3:6). Paul calls this unity of believing Jews and Gentiles, “the mystery of Christ” (Eph. 3:4).

The immediate context of Romans 11:26 is vs. 25. When “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,” then “all Israel will be saved.” Or, to be exact, “And so all Israel will be saved.” In other words, the coming in of the fullness or total number of the Gentiles results in “all Israel” being saved. Paul’s idea seems to be that when all Gentiles (totally, throughout history) have come in, that is, have been grafted into the Vine, they, uniting with all Jews who have become believers, will form the total number of the saved. Paul also reveals that when Gentiles come in, God can use this to motivate some Jews to believe (verses 11 & 14). Vs. 25 calls this whole thing, “this mystery,” which we have already proven to be the “mystery” of both Jews and Gentiles being united in one body through Christ (Eph. 3:4,6). Vs. 27 says all are saved because Christ takes away their sins through His covenant, which must be the New Covenant, which applies to all believers, Jew and Gentile. Thus the “all Israel” that is saved is the total group of believing Gentiles and Jews combined.

The “all Israel that is saved” does not apply to all Jews throughout history, nor can it apply to a select favored group who become instant believers when Jesus Christ comes crashing down through the sky. By that time, it is too late to believe.

Now we all do really have freedom of religion, freedom of choice, freedom of speech, the right to be heard now as well.. I clearly do believe in the right of everyone to speak, to speak out as well, and to be equally heard by all, so we can all judge what has been said if it is appropriate and we can next corresponding act upon it, even in the church, in the government, on the internet now too. Clearly some bad people falsely still DO DISALLOW THIS RIGHT… the realy bad persons especially as even I know this for sure as they falsely refuse the whole to be shared even as as to who they are firstly. They respond with a personal attack, inquisition, censorship, lies, slanders, diversions, distortions, instead of facing, dealing with the facts, truths being presented. Confirming to many what they still are really like, liars, immoral, abusive bullies.

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Israel and Palestine

Many evangelicals do now support a two-state solution and creation of a new Palestinian state that includes the vast majority of the West Bank.  They support justice for both Israelis and Palestinians.  If all of the  learned men are going to be truly historically honest, surely they must admit that the Jews have every right to inhabit the land of their fathers, the covenant land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by none other than God himself and admit that right was the same God who took them next away from that land now twice too… THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT talk about the Jews return next to it too. But God still wants the Jews and Palestinians brothers to live in peace together.
 
The following article appeared in the New York Times:

July 29, 2007

Letter to President Bush From Evangelical Leaders

President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington DC 20500

Dear Mr. President:

We write as evangelical Christian leaders in the United States to thank you for your efforts (including the major address on July 16) to reinvigorate the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations to achieve a lasting peace in the region. We affirm your clear call for a two-state solution. We urge that your administration not grow weary in the time it has left in office to utilize the vast influence of America to demonstrate creative, consistent and determined U.S. leadership to create a new future for Israelis and Palestinians. We pray to that end, Mr. President.

We also write to correct a serious misperception among some people including some U.S. policymakers that all American evangelicals are opposed to a two-state solution and creation of a new Palestinian state that includes the vast majority of the West Bank. Nothing could be further from the truth. We, who sign this letter, represent large numbers of evangelicals throughout the U.S. who support justice for both Israelis and Palestinians. We hope this support will embolden you and your administration to proceed confidently and forthrightly in negotiations with both sides in the region.

As evangelical Christians, we embrace the biblical promise to Abraham: “I will bless those who bless you.” (Genesis 12:3). And precisely as evangelical Christians committed to the full teaching of the Scriptures, we know that blessing and loving people (including Jews and the present State of Israel) does not mean withholding criticism when it is warranted. Genuine love and genuine blessing means acting in ways that promote the genuine and long-term well being of our neighbors. Perhaps the best way we can bless Israel is to encourage her to remember, as she deals with her neighbor Palestinians, the profound teaching on justice that the Hebrew prophets proclaimed so forcefully as an inestimably precious gift to the whole world.

Historical honesty compels us to recognize that both Israelis and Palestinians have legitimate rights stretching back for millennia to the lands of Israel/Palestine. Both Israelis and Palestinians have committed violence and injustice against each other. The only way to bring the tragic cycle of violence to an end is for Israelis and Palestinians to negotiate a just, lasting agreement that guarantees both sides viable, independent, secure states. To achieve that goal, both sides must give up some of their competing, incompatible claims. Israelis and Palestinians must both accept each other’s right to exist. And to achieve that goal, the U.S. must provide robust leadership within the Quartet to reconstitute the Middle East roadmap, whose full implementation would guarantee the security of the State of Israel and the viability of a Palestinian State. We affirm the new role of former Prime Minister Tony Blair and pray that the conference you plan for this fall will be a success.

Mr. President, we renew our prayers and support for your leadership to help bring peace to Jerusalem, and justice and peace for all the people in the Holy Land.

Finally, we would request to meet with you to personally convey our support and discuss other ways in which we may help your administration on this crucial issue.

Sincerely,
Ronald J. Sider, President
Evangelicals for Social Action

Don Argue, President
Northwest University

Raymond J. Bakke, Chancellor
Bakke Graduate University

Gary M. Benedict, President
The Christian & Missionary Alliance

George K. Brushaber, President
Bethel University

Gary M. Burge, Professor
Wheaton College & Graduate School

Tony Campolo, President/Founder
Evangelical Association for the Promotion of Education

Christopher J. Doyle, CEO
American Leprosy Mission

Leighton Ford, President
Leighton Ford Ministries

Daniel Grothe, Pastoral Staff
New Life Church (Colorado Springs)

Vernon Grounds, Chancellor
Denver Seminary

Stephen Hayner, former President
InterVarsity Christian Fellowship

Joel Hunter, Senior Pastor
Northland Church
Member, Executive Committee of the NAE

Jo Anne Lyon, Founder/CEO
World Hope International

Gordon MacDonald, Chair of the Board
World Relief

Albert G. Miller, Professor
Oberlin College

Richard Mouw, President
Fuller Theological Seminary

David Neff, Editor
Christianity Today

Glenn R. Palmberg, President
Evangelical Covenant Church

Earl Palmer, Senior Pastor
University Presbyterian Church Seattle

Victor D. Pentz, Pastor
Peachtree Presbyterian Church, Atlanta

John Perkins, President
John M. Perkins Foundation for Reconciliation & Development

Bob Roberts, Jr., Senior Pastor
Northwood Church, Dallas

Leonard Rogers, Executive Director
Evangelicals for Middle East Understanding

Andrew Ryskamp, Executive Director
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee

Chris Seiple, President
Institute for Global Engagement

Robert A. Seiple, Former Ambassador-at-Large,
International Religious Freedom
U.S. State Department

Luci N. Shaw, Author, Lecturer
Regent College, Vancouver

Jim Skillen, Executive Director
Center for Public Justice

Glen Harold Stassen, Professor
Fuller Theological Seminary

Richard Stearns, President
World Vision

Clyde D. Taylor, Former Chair of the Board
World Relief

Harold Vogelaar, Director
Center of Christian-Muslim Engagement for Peace and Justice

Berten Waggoner, National Director
Vineyard USA
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THE CHRISTIAN AND MISSIONARY ALLIANCE, Update from Dr. Benedict – By Gary M. Benedict – August 16, 2007

I recently joined other evangelical leaders in signing a letter to President Bush concerning peace in the Middle East. The letter represents my personal conviction and does not represent the official position of The Alliance or the Board of Directors of the C&MA. The Christian and Missionary Alliance has been ministering in the Arab lands since 1890. For more than 110 years, we have been working among Israelis and Palestinians. We are seeking to fulfill Jesus’ Commission to take the gospel to people in all nations.
 
The letter I signed encourages President Bush to continue to pursue a peaceful solution to the conflict in the region. We are instructed in the Bible to “seek peace and pursue it,” yet I understand that the only true and lasting peace will come when the Prince of Peace returns. Please join me in praying for the peace of Jerusalem and that many will find the peace that passes all understanding through Jesus.
 
We share a common concern for peace in the region and the commitment to obey Jesus’ command to spread the gospel to all people. May God be pleased to reach many and bring glory to our Lord.
 
Living the Call together, Gary M. Benedict  President   U.S. C&MA          

Now does Stephen Harper PM of Canada support his Alliance church position? or his own?
Now for many decades I too have studied the Bible and the prophetic scriptures, dispensational views  related to Israel too.. The Jews alone have by their return to Israel have usurped the authority of the Lord God of Hosts Himself, who alone has the right to give and take away the land of Israel as so far there is no New testament word confirming any of it’s return.. …the Land belongs now to Jesus Christ alone and his bride the Church… it is all his, he had undeniably bought it with his life and redeemed it alone! 
  
“The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), which has almost five million members in the US, took a step toward a partial boycott of Israeli goods at its 2007 Churchwide Assembly in Chicago  where the assembly, the church’s top legislative authority, passed a resolution calling to work toward a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and urging investment in the Palestinian Authority.   The assembly then urged “consideration of refusing to buy goods or invest in activities taking place in Israeli settlements, and a review of other economic options,” according to Bishop Christopher Epting, the presiding bishop’s deputy for ecumenical and interfaith relations, quoted on the Episcopal Life Online Web site.”

It is interesting that professing Christians people who oppose this proposed peace  process,  and the related New Testament Biblical truths now they wrongfully, mostly have to resort to personal slander, personal attacks  on the others even with clearly emotional, angry statements of “More ‘Orthoheretics’, Anti-Semitic ‘evangelicals’! Buffoons join the fray!  outrageous, absurd,  “replacement theology” adherents , “un-evangelical”,  rabid dog ,  blind eye , an abomination to the Lord, a swindle , capitulating to the terrorist tactics, not an honest assessment of Israeli policies,   an inaccurate indictment, raises similar questions about church leaders, activists and intellectuals , reprobate so-called Christian leaders now join the ranks of another traitor, Jimmy Carter and former Willow Creek pastor John Ortberg,  a great embarrassment to Bible believing Christians ,  a traitor to the Jews. , misrepresented the views of conservative Evangelical Christians…bearing false witness against them…an abomination to the Lord. God Help You! , heretical doctrine , twisted doctrinal ,  openly heretical and apostate positions by heretics , a cheap political crusade with a social gospel., abject theology and bogus economics in his attempts to repackage Christianity ,  sanctified socialism , void of authentic biblical substance and economic common sense, Hypocrisy of hypocrisy ,  hideous diatribe,    long departed from their biblical origins. , logical deficiency , lack of exegetically sound biblical foundation , hypocrisy, further , backslidden and/or biblically, historically, politically ignorant theocratic hooligans than a bona fide list of “Evangelical Leaders” by any scriptural understanding of the term.” is rather more reflective of the unspiritual nature of the critics clearly now too to all.

for they the  false Jewish supporters can solely refer to the Old Testament verses now such as Jeremiah Chapter 31, Joel 3:2, Amos 9:15 and Psalm 83: for they undeniably have no New Testament substantiations, support for Israel’s return or possession now of the past promised land.

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Laying of hands, Impartation, Breathe of the Spirit, Anointings, Anointed

When God asks me to lay my anointed hands, anointed by the Holy Spirit ,  on someone it is to pray for them to be healed, as well as for them also to receive additional holy spirit’s help. spiritual gifts too.. whether someone’s hand get’ hot in the process is immaterial now too.. it is a all a work of faith in Obedience to God’s will, instructions still too.

There is a definite personal, unacceptable DISPENSATIONAL trend  amongst many fundamental Evangelicals, and some Pentecostals to falsely try to discredit the present involvement of GOD HIMSELF INTO HUMAN AFFAIRS, HUMAN ACTIVITIES. This false attempt to limit God’s present earthly activities is not only demonically inspired, but it is a false attempt to cover-up the existing personal inadequacies of many of the so called professing Christians who clearly to date are really only not still not fully Holy Spirit filled, anointed, even as a direct result of the fact they are living a self centered life, have not died to Jesus Christ, are not anointed, are basically not servants of God, are not serving God, but they really have not made Jesus Lord of their whole life too. One can see evidence of such persons by the actual definition of the term Christian  itself, One group tries to define all Christians as merely  anyone who is a follower of Christ, whereas the other groups defines a Christian as one in whom one can see the fruits, works, the evidence of the anointing of Christ based on acts 10:38  (Acts 10:38 KJV)  How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

(Gal 1:8 KJV)  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

Come, Lord Jesus, and fill these people full of the Holy Spirit.

In 1 Corinthians 12 Paul lists out these gifts.  Any Spirit-filled Christian can eventually manifest or release any of these gifts as the Holy Spirit directs him.

Word of Wisdom – God’s supernatural perspective on how to achieve His will. God’s knowledge rightly applied to specific situations. Word of Knowledge – “Facts” given by God that are unknowable without revelation.
The Gift of Faith – The supernatural ability to believe God without doubt. Essential to the Gift of Healing and Miracles.
The Gift of Healing – Supernatural healing through special anointing of the Holy Spirit.
The Working of Miracles – A supernatural display of power that goes beyond the natural to counteract earthly and evil forces.
Discerning of Spirits – Spiritual insight into differences between the Holy Spirit, the the spirit of Man, and evil spirits at work in the earth.  It is not the discerning of character faults.
The Gift of Prophecy – The forth-telling of God’s utterance.  It is not of the intellect but of the Spirit.  It is divinely inspired and anointed words spoken by a believer.
Kinds of Tongues – This is not to be confused with the use of tongues in private prayer or worship.  This refers to the ministry of tongues to others.  An utterance from a believer to another in a language unknown to the speaker. (Isaiah 28:11; Mark 16:17; Acts 2:4; 10:44-48; 19:1-7; 1 Corinthians 12:10; 13:1-3; 14:2,4-22,26-31; 28:31)
Interpretation of Tongues – Supernatural power to reveal the meaning of tongues.  Not a translation, but an interpretation.  Tongues and Interpretation working together can be the equivalent of prophecy.
The working of these nine Gifts is for the profit and advantage of the Church.  They are for the benefit of the Church and are specifically available to every believer as the Holy Spirit wills. (1Corinthians 12:7-11; 14:12).  They should all be actively welcomed and expected in your life. (1Corinthians 14:1)
HOW MANY Spiritual, GIFTS from God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit DO WE GET? Does it depend on how we will next  use them too?
The Holy Spirit distributes His gifts to each believer severally as He wills. (1 Corinthians 12:11)  It is not up to us how many gifts we want or are willing to use but up to the Holy Spirit to give whatever He wants to whoever He wants whenever He wants.  It is up to us to appreciate all of them and to allow the Holy Spirit to use us in any of them to minister to others.
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is God’s way of empowering us to manifest His love to His Church and to cleanse us and make us holy.  We need therefore to acknowledge that love is necessary for the proper use of the Gifts – faith works by love.(Galations 5:6)  Love edifies others (1Corinthians 8:1) as God has shown His love for you by giving you faith to believe in and trust in and cling to and rely on Jesus.  Repent of anything that would hold you back from experiencing and walking in His fullness through the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.  Ask Him for it.  Receive it.  Freely it has been given to you – now freely give. (Matthew 10:8)

And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.  Acts 5:32
(1 John 1:3 KJV)  That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

My serious interest on the subject of the Holy Spirit started at an early age, around the time I was 25, even cause I had asked my evangelical Baptist Church pastor if there was such thing today as empowering from God to live the Christian life.. when he replied no, and  because sadly I knew he basically was not to be trusted I decided that  I should look more seriously into the topic,  so I stared to read many   Books, and the Bible on the subject of the Holy Sprit next. When I next read the testimonies of others, it was clearly evident, undeniable  that some Christians  had experienced dramatic changes in heir personal life as a result of knowing Christ, and being filled with the holy spirit, even more dramatically than others too. Why the difference. And as I continued my study it became very evident that not everyone who professed to be a Christian, pastors, elders included were even firstly Christians. Imagine that church pastors were falsely still even reading clearly secular books to know more about God. It also became clear that many professing Christians were not serving God, but doing their own thing, serving themselves, or were trying to please others, mere men and women, or their denominations too. We have more perversion than power, more compromise than conviction and more playboys in the pulpit than prophets.  Because of their own sinful nature, human limitations next  falsely Men still try to limit God today as to what he God can and cannot do today with His Holy Spirit now as well by next their own false obstructions, confusions, distortions, over simplifications,  lies too. Me too there was a time in my life when I thought I was now saved and I had it all, but that was certainly not true. But man still cannot prevail against God, the light, the truth ever.  There is power available to you also to personally to overcome: disease, despair, defeat, sickness, sin and Satan! You can now have power over every attack of the devil! And I ask right now, Come, Lord Jesus, and fill these people full of the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 10:27: And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; .Acts 10:28 ..Acts 1:8 says, “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon …

(Luke 2:26 KJV)  And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

(2 Pet 1:21 KJV)  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

(2 Pet 3:2 KJV)  That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

(2 Tim 1:14 KJV)  That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

(Isa 4:4 KJV)  When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

(Micah 3:8 KJV)  But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

(Mat 12:28 KJV)  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

(Luke 4:1 KJV)  And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

(Rom 8:14 KJV)  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

(1 Cor 6:11 KJV)  And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

(1 Cor 12:8 KJV)  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

(2 Cor 3:18 KJV)  But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

(1 Pet 3:18 KJV)  For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

(1 Matt 3:24 KJV)  And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

(1 John 3:21 KJV)   I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 2  Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

(Rev 3:15 KJV)  I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

In fact it became evident not just in the Catholic, Orthodox Churches but even in Christian Plymouth Brethren, Baptist, Alliance and Pentecostal churches now too that in some professing persons, pastors, elders, deacons too,  there still was no difference in behavior between the professing Christian person and the typical unbeliever, unchristian persons. Many so called Christians it became clear also to me they did not have a definite experiences where they had made Jesus Christ the sole Lord of their life, as next even a Christian Missionary Alliance church pastor had admitted to me. Now if many pastors were not preaching, living the empowered Christian Life how could the rest of the flock be aware of it as well? So I next talked to many many more pastors, and discovered many of them did not use or know the Bible in evangelical churches, but firstly they did not have a definite experience where they knew that God had even called them into the ministry. They became pastors by their own choice and were rather too often mere “hirelings”, in the Job merely as as any other person is in a secular career. It next also amazed me how many writers, preachers claimed to be experts on the Baptism of the Holy spirit, the anointing,  when they had even admitted that they had never experienced it themselves.. ridiculous, and so how can you be an expert on something you have never experienced too? Many people it seems still can be easily deceived by the devil that they are following and doing God’s will when they clearly now are not. There is much too much filthy manna, begging and stealing money now associated with Christians and why? They Cleary are no living the real anointed life but doing their on selfish thing still too. Many professing Christians , pastors recognize their lack of holy sprit in their life, but instead of honestly confronting the reason why they next lie and say that the miracles ended when the last disciple died. When the Bible was finished being written. It was a temporary empowering.  When Jesus was on the Cross He cried out, “It is finished!”

(Heb 13:8 KJV)  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.  is alive today.. and he can be alive today in you and me too.  And John 4:4 states, “Greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”

Well I got good news for you but power of the cross, the anointing, it was not over rather the posited it was just the beginning  Jesus vetoed sin and the crucifixion with His  resurrection by the Holy sprit, and then Jesus next  gave a tag team hand off to the Holy Ghost to all others. The same anointing of Holy Ghost power that gave Jesus the power to overcome Satan’s power, temptation!! The Holy Ghost power and anointing can be yours, today!! This is the source of power to overcome Satan everyday of your life if you continue to follow after God, to obey and do his will daily. If you rebel from God do not expect this anointing to be of help to you. You need to willfully continue to walk humbly in the light, in Jesus himself still too. And if you let God do it, he will empower, equip you to do his will, equip you uniquely for service to him like he has done to many others. When Jesus was being tried in Pilate’s court, Peter denied knowing Jesus three times. He didn’t have enough courage to even say that he knew Jesus. let alone be His witness, but after the Holy Ghost fell on the 120 at Pentecost. What a difference!! The first sermon Peter preached, 3000 were converted. You can have this kind of power now in your life. Yes it’s free for the asking humbly to all who already do believe and are baptized in Jesus as both their Savior and Lord. You are free to live the empowered life if you daily choose to do so, or you can next even daily choose to walk merely in your own sinful thing, in the flesh.

Perhaps you still do feel you are not worthy to receive this power. Possibly some  have told you that this power is not for today. Or  you feel overcome by the pressures of life and don’t know how to ask for the power of the Holy Ghost to take over your life.  Right now that all you need to do is simply to humbly ask God even again. The Bible says, “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning” (James 1:17). It is His desire that you receive everything He has for you! Tthe Bible declares it to be so!  ” And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the hand-maids in those days will I pour out my spirit” (Joel 2:28-29). It’s still for as many who call upon the name of the Lord!

(Mat 7:7 KJV)  Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:8  For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

(Luke 11:10 KJV)  For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.11  If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?12  Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?13  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

(Gal 5:22 KJV)  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

(Gal 5:25 KJV)  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Pass it on. The Lord wants to infuse you with an anointing, by the Holy Spirit, which will propel you through every line of Satan’s defense. This is how you can overcome every situation as you receive “power from on high!” Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself was full of this power as He withstood the onslaught of the devil while fasting in the wilderness. The Bible records that John the Baptist baptized Jesus, the Lord of Glory, in the river Jordan prior to Him praying and fasting 40 days and 40 nights. At the end of this fast Satan came to Him and tempted Him in His spirit, soul and body to sin against God. But Jesus resisted Satan’s offense with the statement, “It is written!” After this, Luke 4: 14 states, And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. If Jesus, walking as a man, needed the power of the Holy Spirit to stand against the assault of the devil, I ask you, “How much more do we need the power of the Holy Spirit?”  There’s a Holy Spirit revival coming, and it’s can also be coming even through your words, through your hands and through your life!

Would you like to have God’s Holy Ghost Power in your life? If so please pray this prayer  humbly. “Dear Heavenly Father. As per your promises in your word, the Bible do next  baptize me with your Holy sprit, power. I accept the promise of Acts 2: 38 & 39 and the anointing power of the Holy Ghost. I ask to have the power that Apostles had received even in my life. I also do want the power to overcome Satan everyday, in all areas of life! Jesus you are my lord so by your Holy Spirit, please fill me now and take  full control of my life, my body  and even my tongue. Let my tongue now also give praises to God the Father and His Holy Son, Jesus in a Heavenly language. I put myself, my all under your full control. Amen!”

John 10:37-38 “ If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.  “

(2 John 1:5 KJV)  And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

(Luke 4:18 KJV)  The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

The anointing that the devil and his false followers do hate and oppose, lie about is this..

The baptism of the Holy Spirit, the gifts of the Holy spirit, the Anointing , Tongues, Prophets,  Apostles, Miracle workers, tithing now too, the promised land, the prosperity gospel have become unarguably the most overused, overworked, misunderstood, misinterpreted, contentious  terms in the news media, in the non Pentecostal and in the Non Charismatic arenas,  in the fundamental religious circles all even because many of these people are mostly still serving self, doing their own thing, looking up to mere man and not God. Most people have never even firstly had studied, read what the Bible actually says firstly, not even many preachers.

Beyond the show of a doubt the devil himself  firstly really hates any references to the Holy Spirit, the anointed ones, the idea that Christians do have now empowering to overcome the devil too… and so now the devil uses any of his followers, those in the fundamental religious circles too now, to now  lie, twist, distort the truths.  and they falsely try to say something typical like this “If you check every single Biblical reference to the Anointing you should notice that ” There is not ONE SINGLE reference to the anointing being a supernatural power given to human by which they are able to perform miracles… There is not ONE SINGLE reference to anyone being able to transmit the anointing by any means, including the laying on of hands… There is not ONE SINGLE reference to getting, keeping, increasing, or losing the anointing.”

Mind you they these same  liars do have to Tear out the whole Old Testament for a start..  the prophets were clearly anointed, and performed miracles,  and the same Jesus yesterday, today and forever who lives in us today too, who was anointed and performed miracles  he had also said that believers will do even greater things now too.  In  the reality now after all Samson next lost his anointing.. and so did King Saul lose his anointing .. and David asked God not to take away his anointing too after he had sinned with Bathsheba..

It’s the frequent and methodical strategy of those people not Holy sprit filled, those people walking in the flesh that they do bash, recite against anyone who has evidenced the Holy Spirit anointing  still too, we all can see  these false professors  own false, unscriptural doctrine and practice. It’s now a charge of  their “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” and their disobedience of  “touch not the Lord’s anointed.”
The anointing is sacred, the anointing is the Holy Spirit, and all believers in Christ have the anointing of the Holy Spirit. We must be careful what we say about our brothers and sisters in Christ.
(Matthew 12:31 NKJV) “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
(1 Chronicles 16:22-24 NKJV) Saying, “Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm.” {23} Sing to the LORD, all the earth; Proclaim the good news of His salvation from day to day. {24} Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all peoples.”

While the Antichrist and False Prophet themselves will possess the credential that they do reputedly perform miracles. While the devil does try to  counterfeit the miracles of God, those now done by Moses too, the existence of the devil and his bad works, the counterfeits now still does not nullify the present reality, existence  of God genuine gifts, miracles and real prophets, miracles workers, apostles  now too. REALITY.

The anointing that the devil and his false followers do hate and  oppose, lie about is this..

(Mark 16:17 KJV)  And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18  They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

(Deu 18:19 KJV)  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

(Deu 18:20 KJV)  But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

(Psa 89:24 KJV)  But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.

(Jer 14:14 KJV)  Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

(Jer 14:15 KJV)  Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

(Jer 23:25 KJV)  I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.

(Jer 27:15 KJV)  For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.

(Jer 29:9 KJV)  For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.

(Jer 29:23 KJV)  Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours’ wives, and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them; even I know, and am a witness, saith the LORD.

(Mat 18:5 KJV)  And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

(Mat 18:20 KJV)  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

(Mat 24:5 KJV)  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

(Mark 9:37 KJV)  Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

(Mark 9:39 KJV)  But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

(Mark 9:41 KJV)  For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

(Luke 9:48 KJV)  And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

(Luke 21:8 KJV)  And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

(John 14:13 KJV)  And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

(John 14:14 KJV)  If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

(John 14:26 KJV)  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(John 15:16 KJV)  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

(John 16:23 KJV)  And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

(John 16:24 KJV)  Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
(1 Cor 12:7 KJV)  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

(1 Cor 12:8 KJV)  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

(1 Cor 12:9 KJV)  To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

(1 Cor 12:10 KJV)  To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

(1 Cor 12:11 KJV)  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

To me it is so just unbelievable that any professing Christian persons  can even think of saying say that there is no special anointing  by the holy spirit and any Christian person today..

Yes the people who  are not anointed do not know what it is really like, but they are wrong to say there are no anointing by the Holy Spirit on others.

(Psa 91:11 KJV)  For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

(Prov 3:6 KJV)  In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

(Ezek 16:47 KJV)  Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thou wast corrupted more than they in all thy ways.

I admit that I have mostly stopped hearing for years now too or reading what the supposedly Christians pastors, authors say, write because I have made a real decision  a long time ago to only listen to God, to hear him only,  and only to write that which he speaks to me  to write, for I am not here on earth to get’s man’s useless approval, or any of his money too, for only God’s blessing, approval counts anyway.

Secondly it is very clear that God know everything that I do anyway, firstly. so I too do seek to do his will in everything I do, by praying beforehand Lord what will you have me to do next?

He or she that trust mainly in  their  own wisdom understandings, or mainly in the advice of others is still basically a real fool, an unwise person.

(Psa 4:5 KJV)  Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.

(Psa 31:6 KJV)  I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD.

(Psa 37:3 KJV)  Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

(Psa 40:3 KJV)  And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.

(Psa 73:28 KJV)  But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

(Psa 115:10 KJV)  O house of Aaron, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield.

(Psa 115:11 KJV)  Ye that fear the LORD, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield.

(Psa 118:8 KJV)  It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

(Psa 118:9 KJV)  It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

(Psa 125:1 KJV)  They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.

(Prov 3:5 KJV)  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

(Prov 28:25 KJV)  He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.

(Prov 29:25 KJV)  The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.

Sadly too many persons are guilty of the sin of presumption, doing that which seems right in their own eyes, without checking first with God if it is the right thing to do. They can’t check with God, basically cause they can’t hear him. and they can’t hear him cause they still do not really have a relationship with God, even cause they really do not spend time with him daily alone hearing him and talking to him..

(Psa 19:13 KJV)  Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

(2 Pet 2:10 KJV)  But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

(Deu 1:43 KJV)  So I spake unto you; and ye would not hear, but rebelled against the commandment of the LORD, and went presumptuously up into the hill.

(Deu 17:12 KJV)  And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.

(Deu 17:13 KJV)  And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.

(Deu 18:22 KJV)  When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

(Psa 4:8 KJV)  I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.

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The Anointing Breaks The Yoke

“And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing“  (Isaiah 10:27).     Just because one is a Christian counselor does not make his or her counseling effective.  Just because one knows the principles of the Word does not make his or her counseling effective.   Just because one is a dynamic or charismatic counselor does not make his or her ministry effective.  Education, knowledge, and experience are important, but none of these make one’s ministry effective in the kingdom.
“Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, saith the LORD of hosts” (Zechariah 4:6).   The word “might” means strength, wealth, or force.  The word for “power” refers to human ability.  The answer is the anointing!

The prophecy found in Isaiah 10:27 is a prophecy concerning the coming of Jesus and the anointing which is to rest upon him. Isaiah 11:2 gives us further insight.  “And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD“  (Isaiah 11:2).  Here we see the seven facets of the Spirit of God:
1. The Spirit of the LORD.
2. The Spirit of wisdom.
3. The Spirit of understanding.
4. The Spirit of counsel.
5. The Spirit of might.
6. The Spirit of knowledge.
7. The Spirit of the fear of the LORD.
Isaiah later gives even more explanation concerning the prophecy.  “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;    To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;    To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified“  (Isaiah 61:1-3).     When we come to the New Testament, we see Jesus applying the Scripture to himself.  “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,    To preach the acceptable year of the Lord“  (Luke 4:18-19).  Luke in the book of Acts also explains, “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him“  (Acts 10:38).
Again, it is the anointing that breaks the yoke!  Human wisdom can not heal emotional wounds.  Human knowledge can not set free those who are spiritually bound.  Traditions and church rituals can’t cast out a demonic spirit.  Human whit can not restore those who have emotional bruises (blows to his or her identity).  However, the anointing that was on Jesus can heal all those who have been oppressed of the devil. “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him” (Acts 10:38).
We should understand that the ANOINTING did not cease when Jesus ascended into Heaven.  Joel prophesied concerning the anointing.  “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit” (Joel 2:28-29).  Please note the expression “all flesh” which means that is available to all Believers.
The door to the anointing is open to all Believers, male and female, both young and old. “And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him“  (Acts 5:32).  Jesus told the Believers right before he ascended, “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth” (Acts 1:8).   Sure enough, the anointing came on the day of Pentecost.   “And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance” (Acts 2:4).
Here are several other examples of the anointing.  “And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness” (Acts 4:31).  This occurred some time after the outpouring on Pentecost. Paul wrote, “Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God“  (II.  Corinthians 1:21).  Again see the anointing, “And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people” (Acts 6:8).   Stephen was not an apostle, but rather a faithful deacon.
James wrote “Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord“  (James 5:14).  Church elders should have the anointing.  However, it should not be limited to those is full-time ministry.
If you are a Believer, you need the anointing to minister!  Every Believer should ASK for the anointing.  “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” (Luke 11:13).  However, yesterday’s anointing is not sufficient for today, nor today’s anointing sufficient for tomorrow.  We should seek to be anointed daily, even twice daily.    “And Aaron shall burn thereon sweet incense every morning: when he dresseth the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it.   And when Aaron lighteth the lamps at even, he shall burn incense upon it, a perpetual incense before the LORD throughout your generations” (Exodus 30:7-8).  The lamps were to be filled twice daily, once in the morning and once in the evening.
Remember, it is the anointing that breaks the yoke!  Now, some will declare that since they are already Believers that automatically gives them the anointing.  However, there is a big difference in the earnest of the Spirit and the fullness of the Spirit.  “That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,   Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:12-14).  This speaks to the “earnest” of the Spirit that one receives at the time of the rebirth which is an earnest of his inheritance. “Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts” (II Corinthians 1:22).   “Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit” (II Corinthians 5:5).    However, now look at how Paul prays for these Believers who already have the earnest of the Spirit.  “Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,  Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,  And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,  Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,  Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: ” (Ephesians 1:15-21).  Paul is praying for these Christians to be anointed with the HOLY SPIRIT of wisdom and revelation.  This can be directly cross referenced to, “And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD” (Isaiah 11:2).  Since both passages refer to the HOLY SPIRIT the word “spirit” should be capitalized as I have indicated.

So what are the different facets of the Anointing?  There are many; however, one of the main purposes is to reveal our inheritance in Christ.  “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual” (I Corinthians 2:12-13).  “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.    He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you” (John 16:13-15).  It is absolutely amazing how the Holy Spirit shows the extent of our inheritance in Christ to those who will receive the anointing.     Another purpose is that the Holy Spirit may become our spiritual teacher and to bring to our memory also what He has taught us.  “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” (John 14:26).  I can be counseling or witnessing to someone and the Holy Spirit can bring to mind a Scripture or truth from Scripture to me which I have not thought of in years.
The Holy Spirit also will give greater insights about Jesus to those who receive the anointing.  “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:” (John 15:26).

One primary purpose of the anointing of the Holy Spirit is that one may be a witness unto Christ. One is not just to be a his witness, witness about Jesus, or witness for him, but to witness UNTO him.  “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth” (Acts 1:8).   This means that when others see the person who is anointed with the Holy Spirit, they should be seeing Jesus.
The anointing will also bring conviction to the “world” through the Believer.    “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.    And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:    Of sin, because they believe not on me;    Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;    Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged“  (John 16:7-11).  The word “reprove” is demonstrated when the prosecuting attorney brings proof into the court that the crime has been committed by the defendant.  http://www.wholeperson-counseling.org/doctrine/anointing_breaks.html
I am sure that even non Pentecostals, non charismatic Christians will have  to agree with me when I say that the spiritual gift we all need to seek too  now is the gift of prophecy.. Prophecy is not merely foretelling always  future events,, it is mainly conveying God present words, confirming God’s  direction.

”Surely the Lord God does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His  servants the prophets.  A lion has roared! Who will not fear?  The Lord God  has spoken!  Who can but prophesy?”  Amos 3:7,8
(Rev 19:10 KJV)  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me,  See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have  the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the  spirit of prophecy.

All Prophecy always exalts the Lord Jesus Christ and not any man, person,  denomination..

(2 Pet 1:20 KJV)  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is  of any private interpretation. 21  For the prophecy came not in old time by  the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy  Ghost.

(2 Pet 2:1 KJV)  But there were false prophets also among the people, even  as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in  damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon  themselves swift destruction. 2  And many shall follow their pernicious  ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3  And  through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you:  whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation  slumbereth not.

(Jer 2:8 KJV)  The priests said not, Where is the LORD? and they that handle  the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the  prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.

Prophecy is expressing the deep inner feelings, voice of the Holy Spirit to  this generation.  Prophecy as stated in the New Testament  clearly here,  requires next no new redefinitions, it is the “edification” through the  interpretations of  the language of the Holy Spirit into English for example  for the benefit of others and ourselves too.

(1 Cor 14:13 KJV)  Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray  that he may interpret. (And no exceptions now too)
Sadly some people want to wrongfully exalt “speaking in tongues” over  prophecy.. too bad for them.. and they thus do try to misinterpret what  prophecy still is.. rather know and  read the Word first and not their views…
(Rom 12:6 KJV)  Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is  given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion  of faith;
(1 Cor 12:10 KJV)  To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy;  to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to  another the interpretation of tongues:
(1 Cor 13:2 KJV)  And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all  mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could  remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
2 Pet 1:19 – 21, 2:1 – 3, “We have also a more sure word of prophecy;  whereunto you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shines in a  dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private  interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:  but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. But there  were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false  teachers among you, who privately shall bring in damnable heresies, even  denying Jesus that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.  And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of  truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with  feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time  lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.”
Clearly one of the unique, great, valid emphasis of the Pentecostals from  the other denominations is also their emphasis on personally hearing God  speak. even personally and collectively speaking to us, verbally  individually or in a collective setting by prophecy.
(1 Cor 14:26 KJV)  How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every  one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27  If any man  speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and  that by course; and let one interpret. 28  But if there be no interpreter,  let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to  God. 29  Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If  any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his  peace. 31  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all  may be comforted. 32  And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the  prophets. 33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
(Rom 12:1 KJV)  I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,  that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God,  which is your reasonable service.
(Rom 12:2 KJV)  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by  the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and  acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
(Psa 119:9 KJV)   Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking  heed thereto according to thy word.
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(Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man  soweth, that shall he also reap.
(Gal 6:8 KJV)  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap  corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life  everlasting.
(Gal 6:9 KJV)  And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we  shall reap, if we faint not.
(Gal 6:10 KJV)  As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all  men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
The question about the existence today of  the gift of Prophecy and other  Holy Spirit gifts are very common.. yet still the answers differ so much.  And why?
(2 Tim 2:15 KJV)  Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that  needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun  profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17  And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
It also still amazes me how some people are so ready to claim they are  right, even experts, on a subject they have never experienced even, such as  the people who do not at all claim now to be a prophet, and/or do not claim  they speak in tongues, and/or do not claim they prophecy and yet they next  still will try to claim now even to write authoritatively on any of it…..  sure, sure! They firstly all mostly have already lost my respect, and their  credibility.
(Eph 5:11 KJV)  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of  darkness, but rather reprove them.12   For it is a shame even to speak of  those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are  reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest  is light.
(1 Pet 4:17 KJV)  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house  of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey  not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where  shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
(Luke 19:46 KJV)  Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of  prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
(Mal 3:8 KJV)  Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say,  Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9  Ye are cursed with  a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.10   Bring ye all the  tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove  me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows  of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough  to receive it.
 
Malachi was specifically firstly written to the Levites, the priests, the  pastors, and they are they ones accused of the wrong doings firstly here too not dealing with the tithe properly. Jesus began his ministry in the sole  Temple too with a whip..
Next firstly also note this recent relgious US southern Baptist editorial  about the…  “Five things that can cripple a church By J. Gerald Harris,  Editor Published March 16, 2006// First, there is the problem of a scandalous leadership. ( past Liberals  included). Second, there is the problem of a discordant member ( Constituent  members) I am speaking of the person who is born in the objective mood and negative case – the person who is never happy with what happens in the  church and actually creates dissention.  In Proverbs 6:16-19 the Bible actually tells us that there are some things that God hates or considers an  abomination and one thing God despises is the person who sows seeds of  discord among the brethren.  . Third, there is the problem of apathy. ( too many Canadian ostriches not  dealing with  the wrongs of others)  Vance Havner said, “We have anarchy in  the world, apostasy in the professing church and apathy in the true church.”  An indifferent, indolent, lukewarm church nauseates God and renders the  church helpless and ineffective. . Too many churches have too many people  who just don’t want to get involved. Such apathy cripples the cause of   Christ and paralyzes the effort to build healthy kingdom churches. Fourth,  there is the problem of inflexibility. ( Stubbornness and Laziness are often  the main factor behind this too) Some churches do not grow because the  members are so unwilling to change, so unyielding, so set in their ways. Fifth, there is the problem of purposelessness. ( One’s wrong goals lead to  a larger personal void..) One church put a sign on their church door in 1963 that stated, “Gone out of business. Didn’t know what our business was.”” It  might have been unintentional but quite revealing anyway that this above  editorial wrongfully too  did not include anything about tithing, money,  helping the poor and needy persons., the negelct of which something that  really cripples a church too, and note this  seems to applies to most of the  churches, Baptist, Pentecostal etc.,
1: Besides the fact of a clear lack of love  for others and God, the main factor  that firstly clearly cripple any church or a Christian are lack of personal  daily prayer by the pastors, deacons, elders, lay persons. All Pastors  should at least pray and read their bibles one hour a day.. and most  Christians still do not read or pray 5 minutes of day. 2: I know for a fact also that  Robbing God of his tithes, misappropriating  them and denying the poor their portion of the tithes devastates any  Christian or  church as well.
There is also no question that most Christian churches even today , the  leaders and the people do people abuse the tithes, ( giving to God 10%  percent of one’s total income) the evangelical churches and pastors  included, and they do also steal from the tithes by not giving the local  poor people in their local church their applicable portion of the tithe. All  churches should be doing this good work of giving to the poor people too if  they actually practiced honestly the laws of tithing set forth in the Bible.
(Luke 16:9 KJV)  And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the  mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into  everlasting habitations. 10   He that is faithful in that which is least is  faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in  much. 11  If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon,  who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12   And if ye have not been  faithful in that which is another man’s, who shall give you that which is  your own? 13   No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the  one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the  other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Furthermore the Old Testament Levites, and the poor persons who could enjoy  the benefits of the tithes they did not own  or could not own any land, or a  house.  The Lord God  stated that the Levites would have no inheritance of  land but would be given a portion of the tithe instead. Such an injunction would also apply today to anyone claiming a right to a tithe too.
Numbers 18:20 (NIV) 20 The LORD said to Aaron, “You will have no inheritance  in their land, nor will you have any share among them; I am your share and  your inheritance among the Israelites..

By the way the last 20 years of ministry I have never taken an offering,  asked for a donation or asked for any money too for myself. I trust God to supply what I need and how he wants to do it as well.  Do see  http://pbulow.tripod.com/richpoor.html   http://pbulow.tripod.com/tithing.html  I do not do good’s work for price or reward but because I was told to do it solely..

Now (2 Pet 1:19 KJV)  We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto  ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,  until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this  first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21   For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of  God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.  (1 Cor 14:31 KJV)  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn,  and all may be comforted.
 
I agree that a true “prophet” is someone who speaks the words of God to His  people… or to all of the people. . ” And I will be with your mouth and  with his mouth, and I will teach you what you shall do. So he shall be your  spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you  shall be to him as God…So the Lord said to Moses: See, I have made you as  God to Pharoah, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.” (Ex. 4:15;
7:1).

THE EARLY CHURCH VIEW  IN REGARD TO THE PROPHETS AND PROPHECY

Joel 2:28  “…Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…” (1 Cor 14:39  KJV)  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with  tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order. Not everyone who gives a prophecy in the church now is a “Prophet”, now has  been set aside by God to function as a Prophet in the local church..  for  Paul writes, “But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the  first keep silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, and all may be  encouraged” (1 Cor. 14: 30, 31).

” We know that following the day of Pentecost, there was a proliferation of  prophetic activity in the early church. “Your sons and your daughters shall  prophesy…” provides evidence of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit.  Pastors, Teachers, Evangelists, Apostles Prophets and all prophecies still  must be tested. Paul exhorts, “Do not despise prophecies. Test all things;  hold fast what is good” (1 Thess. 5:20, 21). The Corinthian church is told,  “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge” (1 Cor. 14:29).  John adds, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits,  whether they are of God…every spirit that does not confess that Jesus  Christ has come in the flesh is not of God” (1 John 4:1-3). Two or three prophets should speak at one time, and that one at a time and  everyone can wait their turn to prophesy.  Paul even tells the Corinthian  believers to seek the spiritual gift of prophecy as if it was fairly  commonly available, in the process he contrasts it with the gift of tongues.  (1 Corinthians 14:1-5 NASB) Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual  gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. {2} For one who speaks in a  tongue does not speak to men, but to God; for no one understands, but in his   spirit he speaks mysteries. {3} But one who prophesies speaks to men for  edification and exhortation and consolation. {4} One who speaks in a tongue  edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church. {5}Now I wish  that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and  greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he  interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.

Abundant Prophecy So  ‘don’t despise prophetic utterances’ and “hold to what  is good, reject what is evil” in regard to NT prophecy. ( 1 Corinthians  14:29, 1 Thessalonians 5:20,21).

The New testament prophets encouraged and exhorted the local congregations, predicted famines and they even tried to keep Apostle Paul in line.

While some of the Old and New Testament prophets were given full awe and respect they all  were also still evaluated.

(1 Corinthians 14:24-25 NASB) But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all;  {25} the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face  and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.

The NT prophet too, inspired by God, uncovers the secrets of the unbelievers  heart so that some of them, but not all of them, falls on their face in repentance and worship God.

The role of the prophet is also to edify the church with words of  exhortation and consolation. (1 Corinthians 14:3-4 NASB) But one who  prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.  {4} One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies  edifies the church.

In contrast to the personal prayer tongues public prophecy ministers to  people generally. It is other-centered. It builds up the body of Christ which is why Paul valued it so highly. (Acts 15:32-33 NASB) And Judas and  Silas, also being prophets themselves, encouraged and strengthened the  brethren with a lengthy message. {33} And after they had spent time there,  they were sent away from the brethren in peace to those who had sent them  out.

(1 Timothy 4:14 NASB) Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which  was bestowed upon you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of  hands by the presbytery.
While all can prophecy, Not all who prophesy are still prophets. Many  Christians prophesied but the office of prophet that was next to that of  apostle and was a gifted one and a full-time ministry. Paul also says  bluntly “not all are prophets” ( 1 Cor 12:28-31) but this seems to imply  that the gift of prophecy can be sought by most Christians. (1 Cor 14:1-5)  Phillip the evangelist had four virgin daughters who prophesied but they are  not called prophets. (Acts 21:9) Women prophesied in Corinthians but were  explicitly not to be given authority in the Corinthian church. ( 1  Corinthians 11:3-5, 14:34,35) Women who prophesied in that church were not  given the office of prophet in the church still too.  NT prophecy too was  not infallible but had to be judged by others (1 Cor 14:29) was sometimes a  mixture of good and bad (1 Thess 5:21) and was such that it could even be  despised -(1 Thess 5:20).  NT Prophecy is still also for the building up of  the church not for the personal domination of individual believers by any of the “prophets”. You still do have a choice and have freedom to disregard  even the best prophets as Paul disregarded Agabus and went on to Jerusalem.  (Acts 21:10-14)  NT prophecy  was very much grounded in edifying God’s  people for the immediate task at hand and imparting wisdom and spiritual  gifts.  In the NT God has created His church to be a Spirit-indwelt  community that directly receives revelation from Him (1 Cor 2:9-16, 1 John 2:10,27). The receiving of such revelation and passing it on to the   community is the role of those who prophesy. All such revelation still needs  to be properly discerned and tested.   NT prophecy has more to do with God’s  will in the present moment and glorifying Him in worship. There are very  significant differences between OT prophecy and NT prophecy and we cannot  use the OT model as the normative for the NT phenomena.

Apostle  Paul instructs us all when he says , “Let two or three prophets  speak, and let the others judge.” (1 Cor 14:39 KJV)  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to  speak with tongues.  (1 Cor 14:40 KJV)  Let all things be done decently and in order.
(Eph 6:18 KJV)  Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the  Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; (Jude 1:20 KJV)  But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your  most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,(1 Cor 13:1 KJV)  Though I speak  with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as  sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
(1 Cor 12:4 KJV)  Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
(1 Cor 12:6 KJV)  And there are diversities of operations, but it is the  same God which worketh all in all.
(Acts 2:42 KJV)  And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and  fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
(Acts 2:43 KJV)  And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs  were done by the apostles.
(Acts 4:33 KJV)  And with great power gave the apostles witness of the  resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
(Acts 4:35 KJV)  And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution  was made unto every man according as he had need.
(Acts 5:12 KJV)  And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and  wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in
Solomon’s porch.
PROPHECY IS PERSONALLY PROCLAIMING DIRECTLY GOD’S WORD SPECIFICALLY FOR A  SPECIFIC GROUP.. You do not have to be a Prophet to prophecy, in fact all  believers are encouraged to use the gift of prophecy firstly too. (John  17:21 KJV)  That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in  thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou  hast sent me. (1 Cor 14:31 KJV)  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that  all may learn, and all may be comforted. The Christian People who have learned to use faithfully the gifts of  prophecy tend to become God true Prophets. God’s prophets ALSO TOO do work  two ways. Most of the time, they speak forth God’s will in accordance with  Scripture. At certain times, they will EVEN foretell future events.  In real  life, prophecy works like a combination of the Word of Wisdom and Faith. The prophet operates in the Lord’s wisdom, and speaks in faith in obedience to the Holy Spirit.
” Seven Ways to Judge Prophecy
1. By their fruits you shall know them. (Matthew 7:16-18,20)
2. Does it glorify Christ? (John 16:14; I Corinthians 12:3; I John 4:1-2)
3. Does it agree with the Scriptures? (Isaiah 8:20)
4. Are their prophecies fulfilled? (Deuteronomy 18:22) Some prophecies are not of God even though they may come to pass. The benchmark remains that all prophecies should exalt the Lord Jesus.
5. Is the prophecy disjointed or confused? True prophecy is line upon line and precept upon precept. (Isaiah 28:13)
6. Do the prophecies produce liberty in Christ or false bondage to the world, the flesh, the devil , men? (Romans 8:15)
7. All believers have an unction (anointing) within them that tells them when something is wrong. Prophecies should witness with the still small voice of the Holy Spirit in us too if we are rightfully walking with God firstly. (I John 2:20,27)”
Why Is Prophecy Important? or is it rather maintaining  our continual  relationship with Jesus that is more rightfully important still, firstly.
There are at least five reasons why prophecy is so important in the local  church? ( if you do believe that this is a true Biblical interpretation of
the verses. and who says it is?) Too many people still do quote inapplicable  facts , verses even below..
1. It brings life. Prophecy brought life to the valley of dry bones (Ezekiel  37:1-4).
2. It gives spiritual vision? The Bible says, “Where there is no vision, the  people perish.’ The Lord gives vision through the prophetic word (Proverbs
29:13,18).
3. It edifies, exhorts, and comforts (I Corinthians 14:3). ( it can rebuke  as well..)
4. It brings revival and restoration? True prophecy brings restoration and revival (Acts 2:16-18). ( but not everyone was revived in the same place too.)
5. It can guide you personally confirm   to your own right position in the Body of  Christ?  Prophecy can also be used by God to direct you where you need to go
(Acts 13:1-3)
(Gal 1:10 KJV)  For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please  men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. 11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not  after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but  by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I was still very surprised next when a person even wrote to me to  tell me  even what I could and could not write to them in my email .. for they are dreaming..  even since when do people have a choice as to what message of  God delivered by the prophets they can select or not select too?
I like the scriptures to firstly speak for themselves, on any topic now as  well..