The ungodly, unholy wars now amongst Christians

Threats of law suits..
 
The ungodly, unholy wars now amongst Christians and on the net are still all shameful.. even those bad Persons who profess to be Christians but use the courts to dissolve their marriage over pastoral counseling

 

   

 
These days Bashers, Bullies, Preachers, evangelists seem to react the same way threatening to report you to the others next even for posting the truth on their site .. I know it had FALSELY happened this week to me on a professing Christian site too that likes to promote hatred against the others, even against the  Pentecostal, Pentecostal  preachers too.” Some people wrongfully try to make themselves feel better by getting dirt on others, but that is a futile ,vain,  empty approach firstly.
 
“One lady who does a radio show told me that she was threatened with legal action after merely cautioning her listeners to see what the Bible says and compare it to what Warren says in his book. Sounds like good advice to me, and if I had been Rick, I’d have said “amen”, but the person who contacted her in Warren’s defense scared her enough that she put a lawyer on the case. Think about it: Have you ever heard of Billy Graham followers going after his detractors like that?”  http://laiglesforum.com/2008/08/18/302/#comment-17047

 

 

It clearly makes me know that Satan himself is behind most of it still too and this itself is ALL typical the acts of an ungodly person  themselves now.. 

 
But remember God judges your own motives now still too.
 
If your brother sins against you go to your brother alone. But firstly in prayer to God, all done in  in love, in Meekness, humbleness, and NOT RATHER YOU trying to increase your internet rating, readership by making sinful sensationalized postings which itself is still hypocritical.. 
 
 Especially when not all the supposedly objectionable replies to the sites now are even allowed to be posted as well
 
(1 Cor 6:1 KJV)  Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4  If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5  I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6  But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7  Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8  Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11  And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12  All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
13  Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14  And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15  Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16  What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17  But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18  Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20  For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.
 
https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/thou-considerest-not-the-beam-that-is-in-thine-own-eye/
https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/unbelievable-the-internet-control-freaks-false-spin-doctors/
https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/fundamental-evangelical-and-supposedly-professing-christian-critics/  
https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/disturbing-trend-sensationalized-religious-postings/
 https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/apt-to-teach/  
https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/adultery/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/selling-the-gospel-for-money-too/
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and more false cover ups

(Mat 10:27 KJV) What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. (Mat 10:28 KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

C. Peter Wagner on Todd Bentley “Speaking of the public figure going down the tubes, Todd Bentley now carries the label of a liar and a deceiver. I am sorry to mention it, but I felt personally deceived in the same way when Ted Haggard’s sin was exposed and he was immediately removed from ministry. In the Lakeland I case, I am elated at the way things are turning out. The Revival Alliance with whom Todd was aligned on June 23 has kicked into action with a vengeance. Ch Ahn and Bill Johnson, like me, were overseas when things broke, but John Arnott stepped up to the plate and moved in apostolically. It has since become clear that Todd’s Fresh Fire Board could not have handled the situation, Stephen Strader and Ignited Church could not, nor could any of his other close friends. Only the Revival Alliance could. I am delighted that they are not buying into typical charismatic soft morality, also called “greasy grace” or “don’t touch God’s anointed” or mercy must triumph over judgment, phrases that have been used on other similar occasions as convenient religious cop-out excuses. They are proceeding in love, but it is tough love! 
 
My experience is that no church, denomination, sect is even close to perfect, not one, and yet they all falsely tend to next excuse, justify, cover-up when one of their pastors has clearly done unacceptable wrong… adding to the sins already done now too. This is unreal repentance.

But you cannot hide the sins for long anyway..Judgment begins in the house of God but it does not end there.

 

Selling the Gospel for Money too

 

 (Luke 19:45 KJV)  And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought; 46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Most preachers today who sell the gospel for money tend to be still false themselves too. Neither Jesus Christ, His apostles, nor any early Church Christians  sold any portion of the Gospel to others, rather they clearly gave freely to all others in need..
 

(Acts 4:10 KJV)  Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11  This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. 
  
 Luke 6:46 Why do you call Me, Lord, Lord, and do not [practice] what I tell you?             

 God still judges you not just by what you profess to believe but also by what you do
 
(Mat 10:8 KJV)  Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.   

The free Gospel is a Biblical fact!

(Rom 3:24 KJV)  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
 
(Rom 8:32 KJV)  He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
 
(1 Cor 2:12 KJV)  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
 
(Rev 21:6 KJV)  And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
 
(Rev 22:17 KJV)  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
 

(1 Tim 6:10 KJV)  For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.  

 The sin of Baal worship includes the false love of money and the things money buys. 

New American Standard Bible (©1995)  “I will punish her for the days of the Baals When she used to offer sacrifices to them And adorn herself with her earrings and jewelry, And follow her lovers, so that she forgot Me,” declares the LORD.

 

(2 Ki 5:20 KJV)  But Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, Behold, my master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving at his hands that which he brought: but, as the LORD liveth, I will run after him, and take somewhat of him. 21  So Gehazi followed after Naaman. And when Naaman saw him running after him, he lighted down from the chariot to meet him, and said, Is all well? 22  And he said, All is well. My master hath sent me, saying, Behold, even now there be come to me from mount Ephraim two young men of the sons of the prophets: give them, I pray thee, a talent of silver, and two changes of garments. 23  And Naaman said, Be content, take two talents. And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and laid them upon two of his servants; and they bare them before him. 24  And when he came to the tower, he took them from their hand, and bestowed them in the house: and he let the men go, and they departed. 25  But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither. 26  And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? 27 The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.                    

It is also true that one can test the real spirituality of a preacher as to how he treats the salvation of the Jews and also the poor people now too!
 
(Gal 2:10 KJV)  Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
 

False prophets are too common and they also will get what they deserve  too.   

 

(Acts 13:6 KJV)  And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
 
(Rev 19:20 KJV)  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
(Rev 20:10 KJV)  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 

(Judg 2:11 KJV)  And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim:
  

(Jer 9:14 KJV)  But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:
 
(Hosea 2:17 KJV)  For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
 
 (Heb 10:38 KJV)  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
 

Apt to teach

I still too often do read on the net the much too many false justifications of bashing, bullying specific supposedly bad preachers still and too often using an approach that clearly violates the teaching of Jesus Christ Himself..
 
Luke 6:27 But I say to you who are listening now to Me: [in order to heed, make it a practice to] love your enemies, treat well (do good to, act nobly toward) those who detest you {and} pursue you with hatred,
Luke 6:28 Invoke blessings upon {and} pray for the happiness of those who curse you, implore God’s blessing (favor) upon those who abuse you [who revile, reproach, disparage, and high-handedly misuse you].
Luke 6:29 To the one who strikes you on the jaw {or} cheek, offer the other jaw {or} cheek also; and from him who takes away your outer garment, do not withhold your undergarment as well.
Luke 6:30 Give away to everyone who begs of you [who is in want of necessities], and of him who takes away from you your goods, do not demand {or} require them back again.
Luke 6:31
And as you would like {and} desire that men would do to you, do exactly so to them.
Luke 6:32
If you [merely] love those who love you, what quality of credit {and} thanks is that to you? For even the [very] sinners love their lovers (those who love them).
Luke 6:33
And if you are kind {and} good {and} do favors to {and} benefit those who are kind {and} good {and} do favors to {and} benefit you, what quality of credit {and} thanks is that to you? For even the preeminently sinful do the same.
Luke 6:34
And if you lend money at interest to those from whom you hope to receive, what quality of credit {and} thanks is that to you? Even notorious sinners lend money at interest to sinners, so as to recover as much again.
Luke 6:35
But love your enemies and be kind {and} do good [doing favors so that someone derives benefit from them] and lend, expecting {and} hoping for nothing in return {but} considering nothing as lost {and} despairing of no one; and then your recompense (your reward) will be great (rich, strong, intense, and abundant), and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind {and} charitable {and} good to the ungrateful {and} the selfish and wicked.
Luke 6:36
So be merciful (sympathetic, tender, responsive, and compassionate) even as your Father is [all these].
Luke 6:37
Judge not [neither pronouncing judgment nor subjecting to censure], and you will not be judged; do not condemn {and} pronounce guilty, and you will not be condemned {and} pronounced guilty; acquit {and} forgive {and} release (give up resentment, let it drop), and you will be acquitted {and} forgiven {and} released.
Luke 6:38
Give, and [gifts] will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over, will they pour into [the pouch formed by] the bosom [of your robe and used as a bag]. For with the measure you deal out [with the measure you use when you confer benefits on others], it will be measured back to you.
 
I do not oppose the right of do anyone’s free speech, their  right to be heard as well, the right to object, rebuke now too.. but still   it must always still be done in love.. not in self glorifications, not in the bashings, bulling manners.
 
(2 Tim 2:24 KJV)  And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
 
(2 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.  2   For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,4   Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
 
 
 

Lord, if You are willing,

Luke 5:23 Which is easier: to say, Your sins are forgiven you, or to say, Arise and walk [about]?
 
Luke 5:17 And the power of the Lord was [present] with Him to heal {them}.
 
Luke 5:12 While He was in one of the towns, there came a man full of (covered with) leprosy; and when he saw Jesus, he fell on his face and implored Him, saying, Lord, if You are willing, You are able to cure me {and} make me clean.
 
Luke 5:13 And [Jesus] reached out His hand and touched him, saying, I am willing; be cleansed! And immediately the leprosy left him.
         

One of my past Baptist pastor used to be openly anti  Pentecostals most of his time in his past ministry, until he himself got brain cancer and he could not be cured by the McGill University doctors, so he immediately went too the local Pentecostal church to find about Biblical healing, and he was healed next too.
 
When I hear, or read of someone trying to limit the involvement God today as to what he or he cannot do, I normally do  rightfully do  think that person  is still in real repentant sins, and as well, he really does not yet personally know God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit nor the Bible even  even on top of that, and I know that is true for many a pastor now as well.. (Psalm 135:6  )  Whatsoever the LORD pleases to do , that   he does in heaven, and on earth, in the seas, and in all of the deep places.
 
I personally have no doubt that God works through Doctors, but I do also do Believe that God will do for me next what the Doctors cannot do yet.. for God still can do miracles today, even Heals too.. if the healing conditions of His are met.. the exercise of prayer in faith, in humility too, faith  in Him and his Word to us today.
 
Luke 5:24 But that you may know that the Son of Man has the [power of] authority {and} right on earth to forgive sins, He said to the paralyzed man, I say to you, arise, pick up your litter (stretcher), and go to your own house! 25 And instantly [the man] stood up before them and picked up what he had been lying on and went away to his house, recognizing {and} praising {and} thanking God.
 
Luke 5:31 And Jesus replied to them, It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.
 
Luke 6:18 Even those who were disturbed {and} troubled with unclean spirits, and they were being healed [also].
 
Luke 6:5 And He said to them, The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.
 
(James 5:14 KJV)  Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15   And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
 
(James 5:16 KJV)  Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. 17  Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. 18  And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
 
(Isa 53:5 KJV)  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
 
Naturally if you do not exercise your faith in God and in his Word don’t expect to be healed, to experience, see any miracles today too.
 
Luke 6:11 But they were filled with lack of understanding {and} senseless rage and discussed (consulted) with one another what they might do to Jesus.
 
Luke 6:20 He said: Blessed (happy–with life-joy and satisfaction in God’s favor and salvation, apart from your outward condition–and to be envied) are you poor {and} lowly {and} afflicted (destitute of wealth, influence, position, and honor), for the kingdom of God is yours!
 
Luke 6:21 Blessed (happy–with life-joy and satisfaction in God’s favor and salvation, apart from your outward condition–and to be envied) are you who hunger {and} seek with eager desire now, for you shall be filled {and} completely satisfied! Blessed (happy–with life-joy and satisfaction in God’s favor and salvation, apart from your outward condition–and to be envied) are you who weep {and} sob now, for you shall laugh!
 
Luke 6:22 Blessed (happy–with life-joy and satisfaction in God’s favor and salvation, apart from your outward condition–and to be envied) are you when people despise (hate) you, and when they exclude {and} excommunicate you [as disreputable] and revile {and} denounce you and defame {and} cast out {and} spurn your name as evil (wicked) on account of the Son of Man.
 
Luke 6:23 Rejoice {and} be glad at such a time and exult {and} leap for joy, for behold, your reward is rich {and} great {and} strong {and} intense {and} abundant in heaven; for even so their forefathers treated the prophets.
 
Luke 6:24 But woe to (alas for) you who are rich (abounding in material resources), for you already are receiving your consolation (the solace and sense of strengthening and cheer that come from prosperity) {and} have taken and enjoyed your comfort in full [having nothing left to be awarded you].
 
Luke 6:25 Woe to (alas for) you who are full now (completely filled, luxuriously gorged and satiated), for you shall hunger {and} suffer want! Woe to (alas for) you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep {and} wail!
 
Luke 6:26 Woe to (alas for) you when everyone speaks fairly {and} handsomely of you {and} praises you, for even so their forefathers did to the false prophets.
 
 

 

 It is true that instead of being “relevant,” most of our Christian churches have mostly become a mirror of the wordly  culture’s infatuation with power, prestige, position, possessions, and prominence, instead of being “servants of God ”   embodying a different way! A church  now also with all of the overboard revival police and the toothless, pretentious watch dogs trying to get their own glory, attention, 5 minutes of fame.   

 

 

Disturbing Trend, Sensationalized Religious Postings

 

Not the Whole truth, Not the Whole counsel  of God, A Disturbing Double Standard, the Ends do not justify the means, False logic, False approach, False,  CHURCH WARNINGS – False healing,   Demonic Ministry, Fraud , False Teacher , Demon  Possessed,  False Prophet, Outrageous  , Highly Inaccurate ,  Dangerous, Control Freaks, Abusers, Liars, SEDUCERS, SATAN FOLLOWERS, Distorters, Deceivers, Trouble Makers, Warned      
 
(Mark 13:12 KJV)  Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.  
  
(Luke 17:3 KJV)  Take heed to yourselves:
(Mat 7:3 KJV)  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Matthew 18: 15 If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

UNDER WHATEVER GUISE ,  EXCUSE, FALSE JUSTIFICATIONS NOW TOO, THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS  TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS ON THE NET, IN CHURCHES TOO  IS SICKENING, A VERY POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY NOW ALSO TYPICAL OF THE MUCH TOO OFTEN FALSE BULLYING, BASHING OF THE OTHERS, OF THE CATHOLICS, THE PENTECOSTALS  TOO!
 It clearly makes me know that Satan himself is behind most of it still too and is ALL typical the acts of ungodly persons themselves now..

If your brother sins against you go to your brother alone. But firstly in prayer to God, all done in  in love, in Meekness, humbleness, and NOT RATHER YOU trying to increase your internet rating, readership by making sinful sensationalized postings which itself is still hypocritical.. Especially when not all the supposedly objectionable replies to the sites now are even allowed to be posted as well

it is not good for the man to dwell alone

God says ‘that it is not good for the man to dwell alone’ (Gen 2:18), therefore he created a wife for Adam.

 I agree  a man needs to find a wife and a woman needs to find a husband. Paul says that if an unmarried person cannot exercise self-control 1 they should marry. (1Co 7:8-9 ESV) To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. (9) But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion.  Paul says something along similar lines later in Ch 7. (1Co 7:36-37 ESV) If anyone thinks that he is not behaving properly toward his betrothed, if his passions are strong, and it has to be, let him do as he wishes: let them marry–it is no sin. (37) But whoever is firmly established in his heart, being under no necessity but having his desire under control, and has determined this in his heart, to keep her as his betrothed, he will do well.

(1 Th 4:3-7 NIV) It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; {4} that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, {5} not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; {6} and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. {7} For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.

(Titus 2:6 NIV) Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled.

(1 Cor 7:2 NIV) But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. \

(Prov 18:22 NIV) He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the LORD.

 In 1 Cor 6:12, Paul says ‘”Everything is permissible for me”–but I will not be mastered by anything’. If we become slaves to a bad habit, then we are not in control of our body.

(1 Cor 6:12-13 NIV) “Everything is permissible for me”–but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”–but I will not be mastered by anything. {13} “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food”–but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

(1 Cor 7:1-4 NIV) Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. {2} But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. {3} The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. {4} The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.

(Phil 4:7-8 NIV) And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. {8} Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable–if anything is excellent or praiseworthy–think about such things.

In 1 Th 4:4-5 Paul tells us that “each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God”. Also in 2 Tim 2:22 Paul’s advice to Timothy, is to flee the evil desires of youth, and a positive command is introduced , which is to pursue righteousness, faith love and peace.

(Titus 2:6) Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled.

2 Tim 2:22 Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

(1 Cor 6:15-20 NIV) Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! {16} Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” {17} But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. {18} Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. {19} Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; {20} you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
Again the problem here is that the Corinthians were going to a prostitute and becoming one body, or one flesh with the prostitute. Paul argues that our bodies are a member of Christ himself, and that we should not unite them with a prostitute. He is sinning against his body by uniting it with a prostitute. This is certainly not the case with masturbation. However perhaps 1 Cor 6:19-20 are more relevant to masturbation, we are not our own, we were bought at a price, therefore we should honour God with our body. It is hard to see that masturbation is honoring to God, while sex within marriage is.

(Mat 5:28 NIV) But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

(Job 31:1 NIV) “I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl.

(Mat 5:29 NIV) If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

(Phil 4:8 NIV) Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable–if anything is excellent or praiseworthy–think about such things.

(Prov 24:16 NIV) for though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again, but the wicked are brought down by calamity.

James 4:8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

(Mat 18:21-22 NIV) Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?” {22} Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

(Heb 2:17-18 NIV) For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. {18} Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted. (Heb 3:1 NIV) Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess.

(Heb 12:4 NIV) In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.

(1 Cor 10:13 NIV) No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

(Prov 5:18-20 NIV) May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth. {19} A loving doe, a graceful deer– may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love. {20} Why be captivated, my son, by an adulteress? Why embrace the bosom of another man’s wife?

(1 Tim 4:1-5 NIV) The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. {2} Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. {3} They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. {4} For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, {5} because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

1Co 7:33-34 ESV But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, (34) and his interests are divided. And the unmarried or betrothed woman is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit. But the married woman is anxious about worldly things, how to please her husband.

1Co 7:12-16 ESV To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. (13) If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. (14) For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. (15) But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace. (16) Wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife?

(1 Cor 6:13 NIV) “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food”–but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 

 see also http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-false-divorce-incentives/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/todd-bentley-someone-has-to-say-it-to-you/

the posts the Lakeland Revival bashers seem to despise

Florida Healing Outpouring with Todd Bentley: 30 Reasons for Healing (16-30)

27 06 2008

First, Roy Fields is back!  Others leading has been moving, but there is something about him that changes the atmosphere.  Roy, welcome back.  Second if you are in Lakeland Fl on the 4th of July there will be free food. From 4-7pm, next Friday there be a celebration with free food.  This will also lead into a water Baptism service.  I am just thrilled for both of these events.  The first shows a desire to reach out to  host community and give back to those who have given so much.  As important, the second is another example of how Fresh Fire and Ignited are taking care and shepherding those who are making profession of faith under their leadership.

Another fun fact, there is now a medical doctor who is reviewing all the medical reports about healing.  The desire for accountability and integrity is great in Lakeland.   One of the assistants said there is a four step process for those who take the stage professing healing
1 Pastor volunteers from around the world, screen and test, those who claim to have received healing
2 This is then relayed to those who bring the person on stage, to ensure what is shared is consistent
3 After they are on the platform, a survey is filled out with symptoms, sign of healing and contacts.
4 FOLLOW UP!  1-2 weeks a phone call is made to see how they are doing.

Just some random quotes form Todd Bentley… he really does use the name of Jesus.
(This is just a sample, to show who the glory goes to)

“We are encouraging people to see doctors after healings.  I believe in medicine”
“It is the power of Jesus.  We are powerless without the power of the Holy Ghost
“Can we give thanks to Jesus for this.”
“We want to give all we can, leally, to the media to give the glory to Jesus.”
“We give all the glory to Jesus”
“Can we give Jesus all the glory tonight?”
while praying for healing, “Two new ankles in Jesus mighty name”

30 Reasons for Healings #16-30 (all verses NIV)

16. He does what he pleases – God is sovereign and healing happens because God chooses too.
17. Charitable Giving- (whole chapters but verses) Acts 9: 36 In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor  and Acts10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.  Based on these verses miracles happens as a direct result of charitable giving.  It would seem that when we take care of the pour, God reaches and extra measure of the miracles.
18. The Gospel – Mark 16:19-20 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.    Healing is good news and,  according to Todd, the Gospel is the power of God as well as the message of salvation
19.  I am a friend of God’s – John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.  God hears the prayers of His friends.  What do you do for your “true” friends?  The deeper the intimacy with God, the deeper the friendship. Is God your friend, because there seems to be many who understand Jehovah but do not understand Abba.  Abba, is the characteristic of a deep personal relationship.
20. The Glory of God –  John 11:4 When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.”
21. The cures of the Law – Romans 8:2  because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. Healings show that you free from the law of sin and death.
22. Desperation: Mark 5:27 When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak,  Sometime people need a touch so bad they push trough to get it.  “if only this small amount”  They are the ones who are desperate enough to reach out and get healed

23.  Connection locked up

24. Name of God – Exodus 15:26 He said, “If you listen carefully to the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, who heals you.”

25. Communion – 1 Corinthians 11:29-30 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.  This would seem to be a reason why you are not, but if it bring sickness maybe it bring healing (my thought on it, time was short so the last were real quick)

26.  Gift of the Spirit- There was no verse give to justify this, but 1 Corinthians12:9-109to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

27. The name of Jesus – Triune God, Jesus is God see #24

28.   The nature of the Holy Spirit – God creates when the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit moves.  It was after Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. That God said, “Let there be light.”  IF the Spirit lives with us, then he is moving, we should expect creation (new body parts is creation).
29. I am Saved – James 5:15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.  Faith is a gift of the Spirit and only saved people have this.  So salvation, brings faith, faith brings healing.  And, yes because Jesus forgave my sins.
30. Kingdom of God- Mathew 6:10 Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.  There is no sickness in the Kingdom, God preformes creation in His kingdom, there are miricals in the Kingdom, let it be so here

These are the second half of the 30 reasons, each with scripture refrances.  People you may not like Todd Bentley, but please be careful arguing against the word of God.  For those around Todd, let him know I said “thanks for the teaching, it has meant a lot to me.”

On a personal note:  I blew out my knee today, while walking down some stairs.  It hurt to move or even put pressure on it.  Tonight, during the broadcast, I WAS HEALED.  Proof of this, I wrote this whole blog standing up.

http://allenwilson.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/florida-healing-outpouring-with-todd-bentley-30-reasons-for-healing-16-30/

  the Lakeland critics   seem to be led by the devil..

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
  
Do see also

TOO OFTEN FALSE BASH OF PENTACOSTALS HEALERS

 

 
Mark 16:17 And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages;
Mark 16:18 They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.
Mark 16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after He had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and He sat down at the right hand of God.
Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord kept working with them and confirming the message by the attesting signs {and} miracles that closely accompanied [it]. Amen (so be it).

 
In contrast I read on the net what the bullies, bashers say about healings, miracles.

It should be clear to most of us, the bad guys do not like my  pages still.. it shows them in their true light..  the bad guys, bullies, bashers or what ever?
 
THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS  TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS IS SICKENING, A VERY POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY NOW ALSO TYPICAL OF THE MUCH TOO OFTEN FALSE BASHING OF THE PENTECOSTALS  TOO! It clearly makes me think that Satan himself is behind most of it still too. 
  
And what about the Phoney wars and phoney peace by the professing Christians now too..
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/
 
As to bullies question to me.. ““are you ranting”… my how you still do like to bash, insult people.. you do not know them even well enough to falsely even try to judge them, your approach is quite immature and unspiritual too.. looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/
 
 I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone, cause you do not act like it for sure… nor do I hope you abuse all the people like that who make a post here.. a sure way to next lose many people still too. Stay in God’s love and not rather in the flesh.. we may not agree, do have a right to differ, but we still do need to show love to the others. Need more input from me on the subject.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites.. ” 
                  
It is very clear that the much too many false Critics of the Pentecostals will try to grasp at any straws to falsely bash the Pentecostal and still try to justify their own immoral acts..

Any Christian being plagued with critics, opponents, unsubstantiated personal attacks too now, is really nothing new even to the past apostles, prophets , Jesus Christ himself who have face many similar bullies, groups etc., the devil is too ready an accuser of the Brethren, and tries to continually discredit any work of God even since the time of Jesus Christ himself now too even using inapplicable and distorted Biblical reasons and Bible verses now too.
 
 I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings any of of the latter rain churches.. 
  
A MAJORITY OF THE CRITICS OF THE LATTER DAY REVIVALS, are too clearly their now too often diverting back wrongfully the topic discussions, and themslves making often personal insulting, unacceptable derogatory remarks and  even their evidently their  typical unChristlike bullying Reponses, self righteous, a superiority attitude, and what else? is not the right approach from anyone and it does continue to reflect poorly on ALL OF THEM STILL too… 
 
THE WAY THEY THEMSELVES DO UNDENIABLY POINT FINGERS AT THEIR SELF DEFINED OPPONENTS, IN A JUDGMENTAL MANNER, UNLOVING, UNKIND, UNJUSTIFIABLE MANNER IS CLEARLY THE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE NOW TOO. And very revealing what they are firstly like themselves
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/understanding-me-and-others-better/
 
“I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering  the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and  yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real  absurdity. I myself though have opposed Todd Bentley’s associated with some really bad pastors, trying to make money form selling items at the revival.. and his false application for divorce..
  
Hey Critics, Don’t get desperate but get real… like I have rightfully said I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings  of any of the latter rain churches..
 
I did not say Charismatic supposedly churches.. cause we know those often mean rather the Catholic Pentecostals..

 
as to what the Bible says is only how you here do  interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit.
 
I have been a Christian for 50 years and a Pentecostal pastor for the last 30 years, and I have attended the  latter day churches too and often..  and specifically what about you? not the supposed others..
 
The Latter Rain movement was rejected by the AOG Pentecostals in 1948 as heretical… and what they are speaking for God now.. dream on.. There are other pentecostal persons, denominations who support them, approve of them, me included. The  AOG has it’s own falsehoods, and problems it needs to look at.. (Mat 7:3 KJV)  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
 
The Full Gospel Business Men’s fellowship uses a similar latter rain approach for decades now too.
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/laying-of-hands-impartation-breathe-of-the-spirit-anointings-anointed/
 
Too  many persons  are bashing other Pentecostals  with clearly a hidden agenda, jealousy, and it is still the wrong thing to do so now too.. they are not even doing it in love or humility Cleary as required by the Bible now  too. ”
 
Even because Evangelical Fundamentalism, dispensationalists,  too often also replaces the worship of God , the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the sole worship of the Bible, bypassing the works of the Holy Spirit it seems, though most Fundamentalists will deny that. Liberalism, too, replaces the worship of God, and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the worship of something else. In the case of Liberalism, however, the worship of God was replaced by the worship of mere human reason , and both groups are not that far apart, for they are are in error.
 
Fundamentalists worship every word and letter in the Bible. Actually, they worship their own private re-interpretation of scripture (compare 2 Peter 1:20). This is the same error that the Pharisees fell into. They ended up worshiping Torah more than God, and, even more than Torah, they worshiped their own interpretations (and the interpretations of the elders) of Torah. (They still do so today, only now they have codified those traditions into the Talmud.) Likewise, so do Fundamentalists worship their own interpretation of Scripture. In both cases, “they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.” (Romans 1:25).
 
Fundamentalists  and Liberals too need to learn the truth of 2 Corinthians 3:6, “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” They need to seek God in SPIRIT and in Truth. Liberals need to learn the truth of John 4:23 (quoted above) and of John 6:63, “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit  and they are life.” They need to seek God in Spirit and in TRUTH.   http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/12941.htm
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/
 
Reality! These days it is too hard to tell the difference between secular persons and even evangelical pastors, elders, deacons too for  they all  seem to do the same bad things too.. adultery, alcoholism, gossip, slander, divorce..
 
And when I see shallow arguments  of anyone still limiting today as to what God today can do, even through us, EVEN ABOUT HEALING,  it makes me rightfully also think how shallow their Christian faith now really is.. they are still babies in the Lord and need someone to teach them the whole truth, the whole , full gospel too, for my God can do anything, Jesus is the same , yesterday, today and forever.
 
ON TOP OF THAT I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW SO MANY OF THESE SAME PERSONS PERSONS ALSO FALSELY RISE TO DEFEND SMOKING, WINE, ALCOHOL AS WELL AND WORK FULLY TO  DENY IT IS SINFUL.. “
Spurgeon was once asked when he would quit smoking cigars. He replied, “When it becomes a problem.” He was then asked, “When will it become a problem?” To which he replied, “When I smoke two at a time.” AND look at all the false justifications for Spurgeon’s sin.. and do see also   alcoholism the unacceptable sin
 
When you talk about what the scriptures says you honestly should also point out that you mean it is how you now interpret what the scripture says.. cause too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly..
 
The people who also tell us to use only the Bible often still lie further to us.. they ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy spirit to next interpret the Bible.
 
(Eph 4:18 KJV)  Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
 
I tend to look at both sides of the issues myself.. for that matter I have now been both non Christian, and Christian, both  Baptist  and Pentecostal, and both groups still do have major errors, weakness, inadequacies, and they now also have some  good points  too.. but still there is no such thing as a perfect denomination now as well
 
But one other thing often is clearly is evident to me visiting, reading the many so called Professing Christians sites mostly all telling us the supposed truth, postings often more with dishonest hidden agendas, poorly researched too, very biased now too.. It also seems to me they are also still  are trying to convince themselves  as to what is the truth is and no one else, they build up their own false straw arguments, and then do  reply to their  own arguments. It is generally too often now not an honest presentation, discussion of the topic they have presented. http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/todd-bentley-gets-annointed-by-special-oil-from-africa/

>>Pastors are going there by the droves. I know one personally. He went to Toronto to bring some of “it” back and he’s done the same thing with Lakeland. I think he thinks this will be the answer to filling the seats in his church, “http://christiantheology.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/depart-from-me-i-never-knew-you/

Did he really tell you that or are you in truth distorting, lying, falsely judging him and many others cause you are a controling person ?
I see nothing wrong in going there and I am real Christian now too

The nonconformer replied “I never knew you, is not a criticism by Jesus that the healings, miracles done by the person(s) were false.. but a true statement that they really never knew Jesus fully or personally, it seems to apply to you now firstly too.  For no pastor, evangelist, healer IS PERFECT TO START OFF..
 
You are so sensitive to others being supposedly false, cause you clearly are false, now take the beam out of your own eye first..  Someone is wrong here and I don’t think it is that difficult (except perhaps for you) to determine who that is and that is you.. for you do twist Bible verses, slander, falsely quickly bash  others to suit your own views.. 
 
Clearly Judas was an Apostle, better look at the definition of an Apostle, an Apostle is not an unchristian person.. and he was next replaced in the book of acts by another Apostle. The fact that Jesus knew that Judas would betray him does not mean he was not anointed.. but first better look at the meaning of the word anointed now.. one who evidences the Holy spirit.. with signs and wonders Acts 10:38
 
If you do not let the Holy spirit lead you as to what a verse actually means you are part of the Blind leading the blind now, forget trying to say the scripture cannot be wrong, rather you are wrong.. “You throw the term free will around as if it does not need to be defined. ” and yet you clearly in desperation rebuttal quoted back a verse that has nothing to do with one’s free will.
 
“You have contradicted now three times the Word of Jesus,” and what a further false and wrong, judgmental act on your part too, you so easily condemn a person whom you do not know, never met, another real Christian,  a real Christian now over  50 years too, and I have been pastoring now for over 3 decades as a Pentecostal pastor too. So get a real life. Really do get Jesus.”
 
Why is it so many people try too limit the power of God, and they work so hard to try to tell us what God can and cannot do today.. for sure,  definitely it is not only cause they are spiritually immature, have a hidden agenda, are promoting themselves,  or they are unoriginal parrots who repeat what others have said , but it is often still mainly because Satan for sure is behind all this too.
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/discern-it/
Evangelical fundamental parrots often need to quote someone else cause they do not know the Holy spIrit well enough to let him lead them, even the truth about healing. I SPEAK FOR MYSELF. http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/64/
Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,
  
(Jer 32:27 KJV)  Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
 
 I undeniably could not help but notice on even the web too how supposedly British religious clergies, scholars, Christians, falsely also do bash American Pentecostal revivals? It is not being done out of jealousy too?
         
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/it-is-not-good-for-the-man-to-dwell-alone/
 
I have been on the net for over 2  decades, and I have thousands of readers regularly reading my posts.  Hey I too have often said that there are many professing bashers, bullies, liars now even on the Christian internet and they think they alone can make the rules, enforce the rules on others, and that is too bad for them too for  they need to grow up.. and to firstly get used to the right of free speech of others, other’s right to be heard and to male their own posts .. I only have about 30 internet sites written often for these bad hypocritical Christians now too  so hopefully they too will learn the truth about themselves.. too bad guys do not like me to use my right of free speech.. so what else is new.. they by their bullying, control freak approach clearly show to all what hypocritical Christians they rather are! They are not humble servants of Jesus for sure.

 
 Do see also 
 
 http://pbulow.tripod.com/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/
 http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/
http://www.socyberty.com/Advice/Are-You-a-Control-Freak.101788
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/wrongful-accusations/ 
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/   
 

isn’t it great that we  all can have the same right to make a post now and the same right to have it read by others now too?

Jews and their own need of Salvation by Jesus Christ still too

(Acts 4:10 KJV)  Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.11  This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 
(Acts 17:31 KJV)  Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
 
Like the Jews at the time of Jesus Christ here on earth too most people do not understand, do not want to admit the truth as to what realy happens to anyone after  they do die here on earth.
 
The only truth for now and forever is that Jesus Christ is the sole way of salvation, there is no other way, name by which any man, Jew or gentile can be now or in the future saved by. No other way to escape Hell..
 
Now why does any person  still falsely think or teach that 144,000 horsemen will come back for the Chosen race (the Jews) before the 2nd coming of Christ? Firstly they fail wrongfully to admit that  Jews are no longer the chosen race, they the jews in God’s will, kingdom, reign have all now been replaced by the Christians, the Christians now are the chosen ones.
 
(Heb 9:27 KJV)  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
 
The Bible says it is appointed for all men once to die and after that an immiedate, final judgement, they all next only go to heaven or hell immediately upon death based on what they, anyone  did with Jesus Christ here on earth, accepted or rejected him,  and  there is no other path for one’s personal salvation, there no purgatory as well for any Jew or non Jew too.  And now there is nothing Biblical in what anyone can  as about the Jews positive  future. Jesus is the only way of salvation for all. And these false Jewish oriented hopers, dreamers, teachers have still a  a complete false  assumption that the Bible next says that God will save all of the Jews or restablish the Jewish nation for this will never  occur. Theirs is even the the same error that Apostle Judas had made That is why so many Jews next here on earth will be deceived by the antichrist, he will tell them the lies they want to hear.
 
Any persons   falsely   expecting a resurrected nation of Israel, a continuation of the Jewish religion, a totally Jewish controlled, dominated world next will be disspaointed for  in reality any and all of the Jews  positive  present, future are now  all actually dead as far as the Bible,and  God are now concerned, and now and forever too. They the Jews  will never be resurrected again to be a nation, a group or what ever under God’s will. 
 
It is tragic, sad that too many people still cannot accept that truth, undeniable fact, that the Jews already had their chance to become Christians, they all had mostly rejected it,  and so next it is the end of them as being anything of value, purpose  in God’s sight, end.. 
(Rom 10:1 KJV) Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
 (Rom 1:20 KJV)  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21   Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (Rom 8:5 KJV)  For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
 (Rom 8:14 KJV)  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
(Rom 9:7 KJV)  Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called 8    That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
(Rom 9:32 KJV)  Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
(Rom 16:18 KJV)  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.  
 
But  some people do still still try to grasp at non existent straws to  bring back and save all or most of the Jews even at a later date.. These sad people their hope, views, beliefs are just as wrong, a false expectation  as anyone expecting another chance for anyone, someone to get saved in Heaven next for a persons who has already died unsaved. 
 
Look it at it’s simplicity, once there were the Jews as God’s chosen, now, next there are only the Christians, they are the chosen ones,  and not the Jews In the future some more Jewish person will be saved and become Christians, but only a small remnant.. And then it is the end of the world. Jesus comes for all people, Christians included and not Christians and they will get what they had personally sowed and  immediately. Heaven to be with Jesus, hell to be away from Jesus….
 
(1 Pet 4:17 KJV)  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
 
(Heb 9:28 KJV) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Both Jews and Christians now by faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 3:25 KJV)  Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

(Rom 4:3 KJV)  For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

(Rom 4:9 KJV)  Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

(Rom 4:12 KJV)  And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

(Rom 4:13 KJV)  For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

(Rom 4:16 KJV)  Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

(Gal 3:7 KJV)  Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

(Gal 3:8 KJV)  And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

(Gal 3:9 KJV)  So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

(Gal 3:14 KJV)  That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

(Gal 3:16 KJV)  Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Both Jews and Arabs, are physically from the seed of Abraham  so does that make all of Arabs now a Jew also?  No for to be a true Jew means to follow a religion, that your great great great grand mother and father both  followed.. Being born a Jew and not following the Jewish relgion did not make you truly a Jew.. 

But  next we do know that perverts, Bible  ignorant persons, liars want to play  on these words and say we are all children of God, or we are all Jews, or whatever.. but  in reality we all even Jews, are or were children of the devil, of the seed of th devil because Adam and Eve our great great great grand mother and father both had sinned..but Christians became next solleyof the seed of Jesus Christ.. yet becuase Jesus was born a Jew that did not make us all of Christians next  Jews now too.. for it does not matter who your father was, without Jesus Christ you will be in hell still .

As the Bible says Abraham foresaw Jesus Christ and he believed in Him.. if you do not beleive in Jesus Christ and no matter who you are, even a Jew, you will go to Hell..  there are on earth only Christians and non Christains, and only Christians  in Heaven. All Non Christians go to hell.

(Mat 1:1 KJV)  The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

(Mat 1:17 KJV)  So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

(Mat 3:9 KJV)  And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

(Mat 8:11 KJV)  And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

(Luke 3:8 KJV)  Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

(Luke 13:16 KJV)  And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

(Luke 13:28 KJV)  There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

(Luke 16:23 KJV)  And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24   And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.25   But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

(Luke 19:9 KJV)  And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

(John 8:53 KJV)  Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

(John 8:56 KJV)  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

(John 8:58 KJV)  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

as for the Jews

(Acts 3:13 KJV)  The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.  so they the Jews chose to go to hell

now as to the seeds.. plural or is the seed singular.. ..

(Rom 4:16 KJV) Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, the father of faith Abraham had one seed..

And not 2 seeds spirtually.. but yes he had 2 seeds physically.. Jews and Arabs if you beleive in Jesus Christ then Abraham is your examplary spiritual  father of faith..  still Abraham is the son of Godm  Jesus Christ like all Christians are too..

All Israel Shall Be Saved?

by Steve Wohlberg

Romans 11:26 says, “And so all Israel will be saved.” What does this mean?

Obviously, it doesn’t mean every Jew will be saved. In fact, the same chapter says God hopes to “save some of them” (vs. 14). Judas was a Jew, yet we know he will be lost for betraying Christ. Jesus called him, “the son of perdition” (John 17:12). Jesus told many Jews, “If you do not believe I am He [the Messiah], you will die in your sins” (John 8:24). Not every Jew believes in Jesus Christ, thus many will “die in their sins” and be lost.

Many Christians today interpret Romans 11:26 as applying to the end of the seven-year tribulation when Jesus appears in the clouds at His Second Coming. In other words, they don’t apply the verse to all Jews throughout history, but only to “all Jews” who are alive at the end. Supposedly, at the end of the tribulation, all remaining Jews in Israel will look up, see Christ coming in the clouds, realize He is the true Messiah, believe in Him, and thus “All Israel will be saved.”

This is a false teaching, as I will attempt to show.

  1. First, the context of Romans 11 is not the Second Coming.
  2. “There is no partiality with God” (Romans 2:5-11). It would be an act of partiality to save “all Jews” at the end, but not “all Jews” in history. The idea is, “When all final Jews see Christ coming in the clouds, then they will believe.” But this would give those final Jews a supposedly irresistible opportunity to believe in Jesus Christ which past Jews have not had. Nor would this be fair to “all Gentiles” living at the end. Why would God save all Jews at the end but not all Gentiles? All Gentiles will see Jesus coming just like all Jews.
  3. When Christ finally appears in the clouds, IT’S TOO LATE TO BELIEVE IN HIM. Rev. 22:11,12 says that before He comes in the clouds, all decisions have already been made. Jesus said it will be like Noah’s day (Mat. 24:37-39). In Noah’s day the door of the ark closed before the flood came (Gen. 7:16). When the flood came, it was too late. To save all Jews AT THE SECOND COMING would be like saving all those outside the ark WHEN THE RAIN STARTED FALLING.
  4. When Jesus comes in the clouds, this is the time of judgment upon ALL unbelievers who don’t know God nor obey the gospel (2 Thess. 1:7-10; Jude 14,15).

So what does this mean, “All Israel shall be saved”? First of all, Romans 9:6 says there are two Israels. one is an Israel according to the flesh (Romans 9:3,4) and the other is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:14-16). The Israel of God is composed of both Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:29). Gentiles who believe are grafted in. They become part of the “same body” with believing Jews (Eph. 3:6). Paul calls this unity of believing Jews and Gentiles, “the mystery of Christ” (Eph. 3:4).

The immediate context of Romans 11:26 is vs. 25. When “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,” then “all Israel will be saved.” Or, to be exact, “And so all Israel will be saved.” In other words, the coming in of the fullness or total number of the Gentiles results in “all Israel” being saved. Paul’s idea seems to be that when all Gentiles (totally, throughout history) have come in, that is, have been grafted into the Vine, they, uniting with all Jews who have become believers, will form the total number of the saved. Paul also reveals that when Gentiles come in, God can use this to motivate some Jews to believe (verses 11 & 14). Vs. 25 calls this whole thing, “this mystery,” which we have already proven to be the “mystery” of both Jews and Gentiles being united in one body through Christ (Eph. 3:4,6). Vs. 27 says all are saved because Christ takes away their sins through His covenant, which must be the New Covenant, which applies to all believers, Jew and Gentile. Thus the “all Israel” that is saved is the total group of believing Gentiles and Jews combined.

The “all Israel that is saved” does not apply to all Jews throughout history, nor can it apply to a select favored group who become instant believers when Jesus Christ comes crashing down through the sky. By that time, it is too late to believe.

Now we all do really have freedom of religion, freedom of choice, freedom of speech, the right to be heard now as well.. I clearly do believe in the right of everyone to speak, to speak out as well, and to be equally heard by all, so we can all judge what has been said if it is appropriate and we can next corresponding act upon it, even in the church, in the government, on the internet now too. Clearly some bad people falsely still DO DISALLOW THIS RIGHT… the realy bad persons especially as even I know this for sure as they falsely refuse the whole to be shared even as as to who they are firstly. They respond with a personal attack, inquisition, censorship, lies, slanders, diversions, distortions, instead of facing, dealing with the facts, truths being presented. Confirming to many what they still are really like, liars, immoral, abusive bullies.

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