Are you waiting for Jesus to come?

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Thessalonians 1:10:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
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1 Thessalonians 5:9,23:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ… 23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you…And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come (Matthew 24:4,14). 
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7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write…10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth (Revelation 3:7,10).
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Do you also  know firsthand of the Bible says that Jesus going to return and secretly “rapture” away the true Christian Church prior to the tribulation? Many evangelical people seem to think so.  Does the Bible teach that at least a portion of the Christian Church will be protected from the great tribulation? Yes, the Bible teaches that a portion of the Church will be protected from that tribulation, but where? Does your church even know what that full gospel is?
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It needs to be emphasized that ONLY the Philadelphia portion of the Church of God, other Christians will be affected by the Great Tribulation and the related persecutions (Revelation 12:17).
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When does Jesus teach that He will return? Notice that it is right AFTER the tribulation:
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“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Matthew 24:29-31).
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When do Christians meet Christ in the air? Well according to what Jesus taught, it is after the tribulation at the last trump. Paul taught:
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Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed– in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (1 Corinthians 15:51-52).
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But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17).
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Also notice that Paul says nothing about the Church fleeing or being protected from the great tribulation above. He simply states that at the sound of a trumpet Jesus will return, raise the dead, and the Christians that remain will be caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus. It is important to understand what Paul did or did not say. it should be clear that the scriptures involving the Church and the tribulation were interpreted to mean that the Church would flee somewhere on the earth.
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The term “rapture” is used nowhere in the Bible. It is a term that has been invented by men and applied by them to what they term “the first phase” of the Second Coming. The Bible itself, however, nowhere says that Christ’s coming will occur in phases.
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Another important set of verses to look at in this context is Matthew 24:29–31. In verse 29 we learn that the tribulation and the heavenly signs occur prior to the return of Jesus Christ.
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Verse 30 emphasizes that His return, far from being secret, will be seen by people everywhere and will provoke mourning and grief from the unrepentant. Then verse 31 states: “And he will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Let us understand the real significance of this verse.
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From 1 Thessalonians 4 we learned that when the last trumpet blows, the saints, both living and dead will rise from the earth to meet Jesus Christ in the clouds. Matthew 24:31 talks of the angels gathering the elect from the four winds of heaven. The Bible uses the same term, heaven, to describe three different locations. From which heaven are the saints to be gathered?
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The first heaven is the heaven of the earth’s atmosphere, where the birds fly and where the clouds are. The second use of the word heaven is for what we call outer space. The stars, the sun and the moon are located in this second heaven. The Bible also refers to the realm of God’s throne as heaven, characterizing it in 2 Corinthians 12:2 as “the third heaven.”
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The wind blows in the first heaven, the heaven where the clouds are, not in outer space or the environs of the throne of God. The angels would have no need to gather Christians from around the throne of God. Rather, Matthew 24:31 describes the resurrection of the saints, which clearly occurs at the time of Christ’s return in glory. When the saints rise, they go straight up. Since we live on a round earth that means that people in Australia who go “up” head in a different direction from those who rise “up” in Europe or in North America. What is described is the very practical way in which God is going to ensure that all of the resurrected saints meet Jesus Christ. He simply sends angels through the sky to gather His elect from all the points of the compass where they are rising to assemble them in the clouds over Jerusalem to greet their returning Savior. How simple!…
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But notice the events of the tribulation are not only directed against the Church. In Jeremiah 30:7 we read of a time called “Jacob’s trouble” described as the worst ever. Daniel 12:1 also describes a “time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation.” This is an almost identical expression to that used by Jesus in Matthew 24:21. There surely cannot be several times, each being the worst ever. These verses are all describing the same event!
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This time is Satan’s wrath against the modern day descendants of Israel as well as against spiritual Israel, the Church. This is made plain in Revelation 12 where we read of the Church being described by the metaphor of a woman. It was the Old Testament Church that brought forth the Messiah (v. 5). After He was caught up to Heaven to be with the Father, the Church (now in its New Testament phase) fled from persecution into the wilderness.
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In verse 13 we find that after Satan is cast back down to the earth, a yet future event, he launches all-out persecution upon the Church. At this time, we are told, the Church will be taken to a place in the wilderness to be supernaturally nourished and protected during the final three-and-a-half year period preceding Christ’s return. Note, however, that all Christians are not taken to this place of safety. Rather, we learn in verse 17 that Satan then goes to make war with the “remnant.” These are clearly true Christians because they are described as those who “keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Why are some not protected from Satan’s wrath?
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The answer is found in a careful study of Revelation 3. Here, in messages to the last two of the seven churches, those at Philadelphia and Laodicia, we find a contrast between two different groups of God’s people at the end time. The church at Philadelphia is used to characterize those who are zealously going through the open door to preach the gospel that Christ has set before them. The church at Laodicia is characterized as being lukewarm, lacking in zeal. They are complacent and self-centered. It is upon this group, characteristic of the final phase of the Church of God, that God will allow Satan to pour his wrath. This is a last resort on God’s part, as these people have not been stirred to repent of their lack of zeal by any prior event.
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When God prepares to pour out His wrath, the events of the Day of the Lord, He first sets apart those who have come to repentance during the preceding time of Tribulation (Revelation 7:1–3). This is a yet future event designed to protect those who have surrendered to God in the midst of persecution and terrible pressure to conform to Satan’s system. There is a clear distinction between the Tribulation (Satan’s wrath) and the Day of the Lord, which is the time of God’s judgment on those who give their allegiance to the coming Beast system.
A. secret rapture? The Bible teaches no such thing! It does teach, however, that Jesus Christ is going to come back in power and glory to rule this world and to bring salvation to His saints.
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For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
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The above shows that it is those who are in the Lord will meet Him in the air (and this is actually after the great tribulation).
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the Bible shows that the event in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 occurs AFTER the tribulation:
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Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (Matthew 24:29-30).
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But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be (Matthew 24:19-21).
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But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter. For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be (Mark 13:17-19).
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But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people (Luke 21:23).
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1 Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
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The above passage simply states that Jesus has a place for His followers, that He will return, and that His followers will be with Him.  This has no discussion of when.
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19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
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The above does not mention any rapture and is not in conflict with occurring at the Second Coming.
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1 Corinthians 1:7-8: 7 so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 8 who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming, because it clearly is.
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51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed– 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming, because it clearly is.
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1 Corinthians 16:22:22 If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed. O Lord, come!
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Again, above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming.
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Philippians 3:20-21:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming, because it clearly is.
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Philippians 4:4-5:5 Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming.
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Colossians 3:4:4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming, because it clearly is.
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1 Thessalonians 2:19:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Is it not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming, because it clearly is.
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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18:13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
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The above is the “classic rapture” passage.  And while it is comforting that Jesus will return, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with b.eing associated with the Second Coming.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time. (Daniel 7:25)
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The above clearly shows that during the time of the Great Tribulation, the SAINTS are given into the hand of the Beast power. They are not spared from his wrath. The Bible essentially calls this the “patience of the saints” in Revelation 14:12. Furthermore, while the Philadelphians are promised protection from this hour, the other Christians in Revelation 2 & 3 do not get this offer of protection, instead they face the time of Great Tribulation:
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Thyatira…I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts (Revelation 2:18,23).
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Sardis…Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you (Revelation 3:1,3).
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Laodiceans… As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent (Revelation 3:14,19).
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The above are all part of “the Church” yet they are subject to suffering, chastisement, and death during the time of the Great Tribulation. Being protected from the “wrath to come” is NOT referring to a pre-tribulation rapture, which Jesus never taught, but instead the wrath to come that Jesus warned the Pharisees, etc. about, which is the time the Bible calls the “second death” in Revelation 20:6; 20:14; 21:8.
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2 Thessalonians 2:1.  1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
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Notice that above passage states that the man of sin is to be revealed BEFORE Jesus comes and that Paul is warning Christians not to be deceived by others who teach otherwise.  Hence this clearly disproves the “pre-tribulation rapture” position.
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1 Timothy 6:14:14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing,
The above does not mention any rapture and is not in conflict with occurring at the Second Coming.
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2 Timothy 4:1,8:  1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom… 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.
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Not only does the above does not mention any rapture (nor is it in conflict with occurring at the Second Coming) it specifically refers to Christ judging at the appearance of His kingdom.
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Titus 2:13:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming, because it clearly is.
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Hebrews 9:28,  27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
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Not only does the above does not mention any rapture (nor is it in conflict with occurring at the Second Coming) it specifically refers to Christ judging at the appearance of His kingdom. This is consistent with 2 Timothy 4:1,8. 
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James 5:7-9:7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. 8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. 9 Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!
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Again, another judgment passage, which not only does not mention any rapture is not it in conflict with occurring at the Second Coming.  And can only occur then.
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  1 Peter 1:7,13:7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ…  13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
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Not only does the above does not mention any rapture (nor is it in conflict with occurring at the Second Coming) it specifically refers to faith being tested, which it clearly would be for those who made it through the Great Tribulation (whether specifically protected by God or not).
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1 Peter 5:4:4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.
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But the Bible clearly shows that Christians will reign with Christ for 1,000 years, hence they do not need a crown BEFORE the Great Tribulation (Revelation 20:4), but at the beginning of the millennium.  Thus, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming, because it clearly is.
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1 John 2:28-3:2: 28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming. 29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him. 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming, because it clearly is.
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Jude 1:21:21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming.
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Revelation 2:25:25 But hold fast what you have till I come.
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Again, the above does not prove a pre-tribulation rapture is not in conflict with being associated with the Second Coming.
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Revelation 3:10 10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 Behold, I am coming quickly!
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What the above passage shows is that Jesus will keep the Philadelphians (see verse 7 of Revelation 3) from the “hour of trial” and that Jesus is coming quickly.  If the rapture came prior to the “hour of trial” Jesus would more likely have listed that He was first coming and then He would keep them from the tribulation, but He listed the opposite order.
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Instead of actually studying their Bibles to seek the truth, it appears that most who have accepted a “pre-tribulation rapture” simply hope certain verses prove it and somehow differ from those that they feel are instead discussing Christ’s Second Coming. The truth is that Jesus is coming again, but not as the pre-tribulation rapturists falsely claim.
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Additionally it may come as surprise to people who have actually studied the Book of Revelation, but pre-tribulation “rapture” proponents tend to falsely claim that the church is not mentioned in Revelation from chapter 4 through chapter 18 and that this somehow proves that the “pre-tribulation rapture” is the only viable explanation
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The Book of Revelation most certainly does mention saints (which are those who make up the true Church, see 1 Corinthians 1:2) in these chapters. 
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Notice:
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18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth (Rev 11:18).
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The above passage clearly shows that the nations will be angry when Christ returns and that they and the dead should be judged.  It also shows that this is when the saints receive their reward.
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Further notice:
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14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent…17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 12:14,17).
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7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints (Revelation 13:7-10).
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12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:11-12).
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6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (Rev 17:6).
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Notice that the above verses show that the dragon (identified as Satan in Revelation 20:2), causes the saints to suffer and some to be killed.  However, since these verses clearly are referring to true Christians, it should be clear to any with “eyes to see” that Christians (who are those who compose the Church) will be around throughout the entire 3 ½ years of the tribulation (shown as the time, times, and half a time in Revelation).
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Sadly, many millions seemingly have been deceived by this false “pre-tribulation rapture” hypothesis. Unless they repent and understand God’s plan, they themselves will be “left behind”.
S.o they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?” And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived…” (Luke 21:7-8).
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Let’s look at what else Jesus says:
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (Luke 21:20-24).
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So we see a couple of changed. One is that Jerusalem will be surrounded with armies. And that Jesus tells those in Judea to flee into the mountains and that this will be difficult for pregnant women/nursing mothers, just like He did in Matthew’s account. And that this is the time of great distress. Thus this appears to be the same basic discourse that Matthew’s account refers to.
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Notice when Jesus says He will return in the sky:
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“And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near” (Luke 21:25-28).
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Jesus is teaching that He is coming sometime after the distress of nations. Thus, Jesus is NOT returning before the tribulation even begins.
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3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 4 Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?” 5 And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you…And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations (Mark 13:3-10).
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Jesus continued, then stated:
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“So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his garment. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter (Mark 13:14-18).
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Once again notice that Jesus taught people would need to flee at this time.
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And also notice that this is just before the tribulation really gets going:
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For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days. Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand (Mark 13:3-23).
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Now when does Jesus say He will return, coming in the clouds? After the tribulation:
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“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in heaven will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven (Mark 13:24-27).
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So the gospel accounts are clear. There will be fleeing prior to the tribulation after the abomination of desolation is set up, followed by the tribulation, followed by Jesus Christ coming in the clouds.
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No where does the Bible give an indication that this will be a secret.
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Actually all the gospel accounts say not to be deceived and that Jesus’ coming will not be a secret. Notice the following statements show that Jesus return will not be done in secret:
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Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near” (Luke 21:27-28).
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Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be…Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (Matt 24:26-27,30).
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Not being in “the inner rooms” means that Jesus’ coming will not be a secret. Also, since the world will see Jesus return and everyone with sight can see lightening that covers the sky from the east to the west, all will see Jesus return.
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Of course, the scriptures clearly state that Jesus will return with the blast of a great trumpet (1 Thessalonians 4:16, Matthew 24:31, 1 Corinthians 15:51–52; Revelation 8:13). Trumpet blasts are not s.ecret.
There simply is no secret rapture.
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If enough people who claimed to believe the Bible would really read it and rely on it, that would greatly reduce the impact of those spreading unbiblical rapture theories.
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But does not the Bible teach that the Church will be protected from the Great Tribulation?
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Well, partially. As mentioned previously, the Book of Revelation teaches that the Philadelphia portion of the Church of God will be protected from that hour of trial (Revelation 3:10). This is not the entire Church, but only part of it.
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What the Bible does teach is that while protection will be provided to a portion of the church, the rest will not be protected and that Satan will be against them.
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This is spelled out in Revelation 12. Verse 14 states:
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But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
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The above shows that the church (symbolized by a woman) has to “fly into the wilderness to her place”. Being in heaven with Jesus is not the same as being in any wilderness. Also notice that the church “is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.” Hence, this is how Jesus is intending to keep His Philadelphia Church “from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world” (3:10).
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Also notice that the church will have some problems getting there at first, but that the church will make it:
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So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth (Revelation 12:15-16).
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Notice that since a flood of water is used to try to destroy the church, but is helped by the earth, that the church is NOT in heaven, but on the earth.
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Satan, however, is less than pleased:
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And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 12:17).
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Contrary to the views of some, these “rest of her offspring” are alive and converted at the same time the church flees. Thus, not all the church is protected from the tribulation. A careful reading of Revelation 2 & 3 shows that only the Philadelphia portion of the Church is promised that protection. Revelation 3 specifically indicates that the Sardis Church and Laodicean Church will not be protected unless they have repented by the end. Notice:
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And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, ‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you (Revelation 3:1-3).
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“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’–and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked– I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent (Revelation 3:14-19).
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And it is apparently those who make up other portions of the churches in Revelation 3 (and probably a very few from Revelation 2) that will have to go through the tribulation.
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Notice that the unprotected saints are given into the hands of the coming fourth kingdom of the Book of Daniel, often referred to as the Beast power:
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He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time (Daniel 7:25).
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The Bible does teach that Jesus will come again in the clouds. But not in a pre-tribulation rapture.
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Sadly, several of the Protestant concepts of the rapture will greatly mislead those who hold it as events are not going to happen like most of them tend to believe.
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Jesus taught in the gospels as well as the Book of Revelation that part of His Church was going to flee just prior to the great tribulation. He, however, promised to protect the Philadelphia portion of His Church from that hour of trial, in a place in the wilderness.
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Jesus clearly taught that He would return after the tribulation and that His return would not be a secret.
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Hence, all who teach a secret pre-tribulation rapture are not relying on the Bible for doctrine, but instead are relying on their hope of a relatively recent “tradition of men”. Do you rely on the Bible or Tradition?
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Please be like the Bereans of old who “searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so” (Acts 17:11).
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Jesus will protect the Philadelphia portion of His Church in the wilderness on the earth. That is what the Bible plainly teaches. Do you wish to be part of it?” http://www.cogwriter.com/rapture.htm ..
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and while you are waiting for Jesus to come are you even serving Him?
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The False Dispensationalists, Dispensationalism

 
Note this firstly that the term Evangelical or Dispensationalists are words never found in the Bible.. anointed is the word rather that should be placed here..
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(Acts 10:38 KJV) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. ..
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The Evangelical Dispensationalists do also still tend to be trying to earn a great spot in heaven by their own good works, saving others, following the teaching of men, an evil spirit, and not the Holy Spirit rather.. http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-false-demotion-of-the-holy-spirt-jesus/
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Now about the Evangelicals, Plymouth Brethren,  Baptists  rather still ignorant so called Christians I find it so absurd that these people still tend to not know what the Bible teaches, they believe their churches false teachings on healing, Zionism, Dispensationalism,  tithing etc. 
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Now had most fundamentals evangelicals actually read their Bibles, known the Bible instead of wrongfully listening to the so called Bible teachers, false preachers, bad teachers they would not have easily deceived to neglect the present full empowerment available of all believers by the Holy Spirit…

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Read the scriptures for you think that doing so you will gain eternal life, but many people now do read the Bible and never got eternal life, cause they omitted the spirit of Jesus Christ actual teachings and the Bible”s as well
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(Mat 5:9 KJV) Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
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(Psa 133:1 KJV) Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron’s beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; 3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
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(Psa 134:1 KJV) . Behold, bless ye the LORD, all ye servants of the LORD, which by night stand in the house of the LORD.2 Lift up your hands in the sanctuary, and bless the LORD. 3 The LORD that made heaven and earth bless thee out of Zion.
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(Acts 5:42 KJV) And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

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Acts 3:6 KJV) Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see.

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2 Tim 3:5 KJV Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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Hidden agendas, the world is full of it, many people have hidden agendas. some not too well hidden even. Sadly some people they tend present their own “facts,” but fall short in truthfulness for they tend to falsely have a hidden agenda, one of which is that often they want to get rich, and ?or live in the kingdom off self, to be falsely personally worshipped and still live in sin too.

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Is 2:22 Cease to trust in [weak, frail, and dying] man, whose breath is in his nostrils [for so short a time]; in what sense can he be counted as having intrinsic worth?

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(Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Jer 17:5 Thus says the Lord: Cursed [with great evil] is the strong man who trusts in {and} relies on frail man, making weak [human] flesh his arm, and whose mind {and} heart turn aside from the Lord. :6 For he shall be like a shrub {or} a person naked and destitute in the desert; and he shall not see any good come, but shall dwell in the parched places in the wilderness, in an uninhabited salt land.:7 [Most] blessed is the man who believes in, trusts in, {and} relies on the Lord, and whose hope {and} confidence the Lord is. 8 For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters that spreads out its roots by the river; and it shall not see {and} fear when heat comes; but its leaf shall be green. It shall not be anxious {and} full of care in the year of drought, nor shall it cease yielding fruit. 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is exceedingly perverse {and} corrupt and severely, mortally sick! Who can know it [perceive, understand, be acquainted with his own heart and mind]? 10 I the Lord search the mind, I try the heart, even to give to every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings. 11 Like the partridge that gathers a brood which she did not hatch {and} sits on eggs which she has not laid, so is he who gets riches by unjust means {and} not by right. He will leave them, {or} they will leave him, in the midst of his days, and at his end he will be a fool.

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Yes many Jews today are struggling for all of the Land of Israel that no longer has been Biblically Promised to them.. Time also more Christians read their Bible instead of the fictional books, bad commentaries now too.
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Very clearly and simply too there is not one verse in the New Testament that states now even after the Roman destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, and their scattering of the Nation of Israel worldwide, of a promise of the Jews restoration of the land of Israel, or even the city of Jerusalem being freed, and Jerusalem itself will only will be free after the Second Coming, the return of Jesus Christ for his bride, the Church, the true Christians.
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The sole one verse that is falsely often referred too Luke 21:24 as a supposed proof of the restoration of the Jews, Israel clearly still has nothing to do with the restoration of Israel. Do now Read the Bible for yourself now in the actual context, even in the context of the the future New Heaven and New Earth, New Jerusalem solely forthcoming to all of the true Christian believers now as well
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Luke 21:20 But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know {and} understand that its desolation has come near. Luke 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside [the city] get out of it, and let not those who are out in the country come into it; Luke 21:22 For those are days of vengeance [of rendering full justice or satisfaction], that all things that are written may be fulfilled. Luke 21:23 Alas for those who are pregnant and for those who have babies which they are nursing in those days! For great misery {and} anguish {and} distress shall be upon the land and indignation {and} punishment {and} retribution upon this people. Luke 21:24 They will fall by the mouth {and} the edge of the sword and will be led away as captives to {and} among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (completed). Luke 21:25 And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars; and upon the earth [there will be] distress (trouble and anguish) of nations in bewilderment {and} perplexity [without resources, left wanting, embarrassed, in doubt, not knowing which way to turn] at the roaring (the echo) of the tossing of the sea, Luke 21:26 Men swooning away {or} expiring with fear {and} dread {and} apprehension and expectation of the things that are coming on the world; for the [very] powers of the heavens will be shaken {and} caused to totter. Luke 21:27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with great (transcendent and overwhelming) power and [all His kingly] glory (majesty and splendor). Luke 21:28 Now when these things begin to occur, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption (deliverance) is drawing near. Luke 21:29 And He told them a parable: Look at the fig tree and all the trees; Luke 21:30 When they put forth their buds {and} come out in leaf, you see for yourselves and perceive {and} know that summer is already near. Luke 21:31 Even so, when you see these things taking place, understand {and} know that the kingdom of God is at hand. Luke 21:32 Truly I tell you, this generation (those living at that definite period of time) will not perish {and} pass away until all has taken place. Luke 21:33 The sky and the earth (the universe, the world) will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
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(Rev 21:1 KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 3 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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So if any Jewish or gentile person wants to be in the new Jerusalem they have to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and personal savior rather still too. For there is no other name given unto men by which they can escape from eternal separation from God, Hell.

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This is not the only place of much too many that Dispensationalists are wrong in now too..

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It is because of such False supposedly Christian  people as You will find that the 19th century leader of the evangelical, Britain-based Plymouth Brethren was the most important figure in the development of the false “premillennial dispensationalism” – or, if you like choices, “dispensational premillennialism.”  and also   C.I.  Scofield that we now have withing only the last 300 years the new terms “Dispensationalism,” “Messianic Judaism”,  “Judaeo-Christianity,” and “Christian-Zionism.” But, more importantly, there now exists the false, heretical theological conditions necessary to allow Christians who are predisposed to do so, to support the outrages of World Jewry and Zionism. Thus, the Ahrimanic-inspired constructs of Pharisaism (Judaism) and its political arm, Zionism (by their rehabilitation and treatment by such men as Scofield) have corrupted Christianity. In other words, they are part of the terrible movement to Judaise Christianity; part of the deception that has it that Western Christian Civilisation has a “Judaeo-Christian Heritage” and that Christendom was, in fact, Judaeo-Christianity. A position most of the early Church Fathers and all of the Apostles would contest just as surely Christ Himself would contest. What is the message of the Christian Zionist? Simply stated it is this Every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us.

“Never mind what Israel does,” say the Christian Zionists. “God wants this to happen.” This includes the invasion of Lebanon, which killed or injured an estimated 100,000 Lebanese and Palestinians, most of them civilians; the bombing of sovereign nations such as Iraq; the deliberate, methodical brutalizing of the Palestinians-breaking bones, shooting children, and demolishing homes; and the expulsion of Palestinian Christians and Muslims from a land they have occupied for over 2,000 years.

Christian Zionism is a dangerous and a false growing segment of Christianity, which was popularized by the 19th-century American Cyrus Scofield when he wrote into a Bible his interpretation of events in history. These events all centered around Israel-past, present, and future. His Scofield Bible is today the most popular of the reference Bibles. Scofield said that Christ cannot return to earth until certain events occur. The Jews must return to Palestine, gain control of Jerusalem and rebuild a temple, and then we all must engage in the final, great battle called Armageddon. Millions of Americans falsely do believe that Palestine is God’s chosen land for the Jews.  The Scofield teaching is concerned with a literal Jewish kingdom to last for a millennium.  It was first brought into the early church by some Jews who still could not give up the hope taught to them by the scribes and Pharisees.  The Bible does not teach it, and the disciples who had been taught it, rejected it after Pentecost.  Jesus warned about it in Matthew 16:6-12. We must ask ourselves if Jesus ever offered or announced himself as an earthly King or claimed David’s throne?  Had he ever in any way suggested he was going to set up an earthly kingdom?  He said to Pilate, “My kingdom is not of this world, if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews, but now is my kingdom not from hence (John 18:36).  They could not prove him guilty before Pilate of any offense against Rome….The most reasonable interpretation of the work of Scofield is that it is neither honest nor valid.  As such, it should have the whistle blown, for it is properly outside the line of valid Christianity. The Scofield Reference Bible did, and is doing, a great disservice to the Kingdom of God.  And as for this second  biggest proponnent of the false rapture…  C.I. Scofield deserted his first wife, Leontine Carr Scofield, and his two young daughters, Abigale and Helene. The stern reality of the 1880’s was that an abandoned woman had neither welfare nor access to a well paying job. This is just our first insight into the pitiless heart of C.I. Scofield. At this time, Scofield was making overtures to two other women-an unnamed young woman from the St. Louis Flower Mission, and Hettie Van Wark whom he later married. Leontine, a devout Catholic, obtained a divorce on December 8, 1883 in Scofield’s hometown of Atcheson, Kansas. From her meager earnings as a librarian she properly educated her two daughters. The abandoned Leontine never remarried and was laid to rest in the Atcheson cemetery in 1936. Three months after the divorce, on March 11, 1884, C.I. Scofield married Hettie Van Wark. Apart from deserting his young wife and children, he was a liar, cheat, thief, self-promoter, philanderer, fraud and fantasist who was allowed to conceal his personal sins from view because of the support of his powerful handlers, both Freemason and Zionist.  Scofield was also into the Occult as well as pornography and was a drunk… He died of liver failure due to has alchohol problem and opium drug us. He had his wife work as a street girl in order to finance his drug habit. He was also indited on tax evasion.  by their own fruits you can tell what they really are said Jesus.. http://www.heart-talks.com/truth30.html

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do see also

http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/tag/anointed/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/dispensationalist-plymouth-brethren/

 
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/zionism-zionists/                    
 
 
 
 

Equality & Liberty

 While today even by the existing laws and really after a long struggle physical slavery has been abolished world wide, even in the US, Canada, Great Britain as well now,  

  
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 

 
I still cannot help but notice that a certain segment of every society, bad self-righteous  persons who to compensate for their poor self image, poor self worth, or even an over inflated ego, self worth they in a sinful pride too they do  try to put others under their sinful bondage, even to still wrongfully deny their human rights and their equal rights of free speech,  to equally express themselves, to be equally heard too.
 
 The Exodus account describes the condition of Israel, which God saw and knew, and out of which Israel cried to God, because of their  bondage – enslavement – slavery AND YET ONE CANNOT BUT NOTICE HOW THEY WERE ALSO NEXT SO READY TO ENSLAVE THEIR FELLOW BROTHERS AND GOD WAS REALLY UPSET AT THIS.
 
Leviticus,  25:39 If your brother becomes impoverished with regard to you so that he sells himself to you, you must not subject him to slave service. 25:40 He must be with you as a hired worker, as a resident foreigner; he must serve with you until the year of jubilee, 25:41 but then he may go free, he and his children with him, and may return to his family and to the property of his ancestors. 25:42 Since they are my servants whom I brought out from the land of Egypt, they must not be sold in a slave sale. 25:43 You must not rule over him harshly, but you must fear your God.
 
 I have always wondered besides Satan himself as to the original source of this perverse, degenerated  human domination attitude, unacceptable abuse, approach. This enslavement attempt occurs too often now too now even not just in the  despotic churches, despotic governments, despotic police, in the civil and public services, but it is carried out even by so  so called professionals in corporations, schools, universities too where these control freaks, bullies, slave drivers  do want to dominate falsely their wills and desires upon others.
 
But I know clearly that the solution to this approach is public exposure of the abusers in a very loud voice so everyone can hear about it too. For God himself still does not accept these abuses for sure. 
  
(Rom 8:15 KJV)  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
 
“The only notable difference between aberrant Christian churches and these cultic counterparts is in their relative doctrinal and practical orthodoxy: their statements of faith and stated practical commitments may see quite mainstream, even Evangelical in nature. ”
  
If we are honest with ourselves, we might admit that such authoritarianism  abuses even may exist in  our own backyards.
 
Sometimes this false domination attempt is subtle and other time it is blatant. 
 
Sadly   however, there have been been some professing Christian  pastors who clearly have lost their marbles and are pursing this unacceptable domination, dictatorial approach. I myself have had too often both Baptist and Pentecostal, evangelical, hypocritical  pastors  wrongfully demand that I submit to their total authority, and for me to do everything they told me to do, and I clearly let them know  loudly, openly rightfully how really now absurd their requests now was .
  
(Deu 28:48 KJV)  Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.  (Isa 10:27 KJV)  And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.  (Jer 28:2 KJV)  Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying, I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon  Jer. 30:8-9 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’ says the LORD of hosts, ‘That I will break his yoke from your neck, and will burst your bonds; foreigners shall no more enslave them. But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David ( JESUS ) their king, whom I will raise up for them.”
 
A yoke in the OT could mean bondage, enslavement or servitude to another leader other than God.  God breaks the yoke of bondage from the enemy so we can be yoked to him. 
  
In the New Testament the word “yoke” is also used to  DENOTE RATHER VOLUNTARY SUBMISSON,   servitude to Jesus 
 
Mt. 11:28-30 Jesus beckons “Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” (Mat 11:29 KJV)  Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
 
as opposed to – (Acts 15:10 KJV)  Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?  (Gal 5:1 KJV)  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.   
 
We as Christians now are set free to do the will of God, not our will, or the will of other men, or to nor go back to our old sinful lifestyle. We are free in and by Jesus. .
 
Outside of Jesus still  is only the false bondage of men and the rule of Satan that captures people to do more sin. So we need all and always to abide in Jesus  to be free from ne and Satan, demons and to be fruitful.

Romans 7:6 – But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
   

Let me be clear that all submission in the New Testament is voluntarily, non  enforceable, and reciprocal too. Christ alone is still  the sole head of the church, and not any man!!

Who is in control?  When push came to shove for control  it is a definitely a dictatorial authoritarian and lawless ideology approach that has truly wrongfully dominated many one man Church  ministries, persons who are  a  bunch of really unelected, corrupt and dictatorial despots still too or just more of the latest control freaks and their  mad ravings  now too!
  
An authoritarian push is often projected too as coming from above, forced on the unsuspecting Church adherents, guests by the much too ready would-be immoral autocrats. 
 
No doubt about it the  institutionalized Stalin  type control destroys the churches.
 
  
MAD, QUITE MAD is what you will be if you give yourself over to the views, advice domination of others. Better learn how to hear God’s voice, and accept his guidance, and be free from the depressors.
   
(Lev 25:10 KJV)  And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.(Psa 119:45 KJV)  And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
(Isa 61:1 KJV)  The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; (Jer 34:8 KJV)  This is the word that came unto Jeremiah from the LORD, after that the king Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people which were at Jerusalem, to proclaim liberty unto them;(Jer 34:15 KJV)  And ye were now turned, and had done right in my sight, in proclaiming liberty every man to his neighbour; and ye had made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name:
(Jer 34:16 KJV)  But ye turned and polluted my name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom he had set at liberty at their pleasure, to return, and brought them into subjection, to be unto you for servants and for handmaids.

(Jer 34:17 KJV)  Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the LORD, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
  

 

Why is today’s church seen as a place of  a Gang of Religious Nuts, and Abusers of Personal Rights and Liberties where an authoritarian  leader disregards other’s rights,  for, all they care about is it seem is more MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. They could care less about individuals and their needs and rights. As long as they and their supporters are able to take  every   cent  donated mad (and more,) they are gleeful. Their real  temple of worship is the  secret bank, money accounts that they and their cronies have stashed away. There only desire is to add to those accounts…  
  
(2 Pet 2:19 KJV)  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
 
(John 8:32 KJV)  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
 
(John 8:36 KJV)  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
 
(Rom 6:18 KJV)  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
 
(Rom 6:22 KJV)  But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
 
(Rom 7:3 KJV)  So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
 
(Rom 8:2 KJV)  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
(1 Cor 9:1 KJV)   am I not free?
 
(1 Cor 9:19 KJV)  For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
 
(Gal 3:28 KJV)  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 
(Gal 4:26 KJV)  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
 
(Gal 4:31 KJV)  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
 
(Gal 5:1 KJV)  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 
(Col 3:11 KJV)  Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
 
(1 Pet 2:16 KJV)  As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
 
(2 Cor 3:17 KJV)  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
 
(Gal 2:4 KJV)  And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
 
(Gal 5:1 KJV)  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 
(Gal 5:13 KJV)  For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
 
(James 1:25 KJV)  But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
 
While today even by the laws after a long struggle physical slavery has been abolished world wide, in the US, Canada, Great Britain as well now,  I still cannot help but notice that a certain segment of every society, bad self-righteous  persons who do  try to put others under their sinful bondage, even to still wrongfully deny their human rights and equal rights of free speech,  to equally express themselves, to be equally heard too and I have always wondered besides Satan himself as to the original source of this perverse domination attitude, unacceptable abuse, approach. This enslavement attempt occurs too often now too not just in the  despotic churches, despotic governments, despotic police, civil an public services, but is carried out even by so  so called professionals in corporations, schools, universities too where control freaks, bullies, slave drivers  do want to dominate falsely their wills and desires upon others. But I know clearly that the solution to this approach is public exposure of the abusers in a very loud voice so everyone can gear about it too. For God himself still does not accept these abuses for sure.  “The only notable difference between aberrant Christian churches and these cultic counterparts is in their relative doctrinal and practical orthodoxy: their statements of faith and stated practical commitments may see quite mainstream, even Evangelical in nature. ” If we are honest with ourselves, we might admit that such authoritarianism  abuses even may exist in  our own backyards.
 
Sometimes this false domination attempt is subtle and other time it is blatant.  Sadly   however, there have been been some professing Christian  pastors who clearly have lost their marbles and are pursing this unacceptable domination, dictatorial approach. I myself have had too often both Baptist and Pentecostal, evangelical hypocritical  pastors  wrongfully demand that I submit to their total authority, and for me to do everything they told me to do, and I clearly let them know  loudly, openly rightfully how really now absurd their requests now was . Let me be clear that all submission in the New Testament is voluntarily, none enforceable, and reciprocal too. Christ alone is still  the sole head of the church, and not any man!!
 
(2 Pet 2:19 KJV)  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
 
(John 8:32 KJV)  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
 
(John 8:36 KJV)  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
 
(Rom 6:18 KJV)  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
 
(Rom 6:22 KJV)  But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
 
(Rom 7:3 KJV)  So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
 
(Rom 8:2 KJV)  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
(1 Cor 9:1 KJV)   am I not free?
 
(1 Cor 9:19 KJV)  For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
 
(Gal 3:28 KJV)  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 
(Gal 4:26 KJV)  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
 
(Gal 4:31 KJV)  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
 
(Gal 5:1 KJV)  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 
(Col 3:11 KJV)  Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
 
(1 Pet 2:16 KJV)  As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
 
(2 Cor 3:17 KJV)  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
 
(Gal 2:4 KJV)  And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
 
(Gal 5:1 KJV)  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 
(Gal 5:13 KJV)  For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
 
(James 1:25 KJV)  But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
 
 
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Amazing

 Amazing how I tend to post the same response to the same related subjects on sites I tend to visit , one site accepts the message and me,

the other one hates me and the message.. the response to me shows a lot about the responder.
 
Secondly it is amazing how many so called Christian Internet Discussions sites are still control freaks, ostriches with hidden agendas and they do not post the Responses that show them truly in an unfavorable light..
 
(1Pe 1:22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
(1Pe 1:23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
(1Pe 1:24) For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
(1Pe 1:25) But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
 
Karl said 1 hour ago:  Looks like I cannot post anything here anymore. The owner of this blog prefers only people who share his views.  http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/to-oneness-heretics-the-meaning-of-colossians-29/
 
Mind you there is a difference between unfair censorships and regulating appropriately the inadequate spews, comments..  but never the less let the prophets speak and let the other’s judge..
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
And those we love we talk to them, but those we do not love we tend to talk about them..
 
>>The Catholic Church is accused of intolerance yet we see comments get deleted just because the owner of this blog can’t bear the truth. Should one, then, suppose that the rest are telling the truth seeing that their comments are not deleted ?

The Catholic Church is accused of intolerance and yes you can add to that lying, twisting the Bible, truths too.. but so does the non catholic churches do thaT now too..

There is still a difference between censorship and rightfully regulating inappropriate comments.

Since the net first came out now I too have had my comments deleted on many sites, Christian – evangelical, non evangelical, catholic ones and non Christian ones – Jewish’s, Muslims, and even the general, political ones as well.. for some people are ostriches who do not want to face the negative truths, and/ or have a hidden agenda and they do not like anything that distrust their agendas. So to solve it I just same make the posts on my own sites, and someone still tried to censor some of them, including the bad cops..

No even the Catholic or the evangelical church these days is far from perfect.

I am really having a hard time trying to understand what part  Mary the mother of Jesus and others, whose husband was Joseph, has in a discussion of the trinity.. The trinity trio of the god head, new testament clearly excludes her and always has. She Mary was not present at man and earth’s creation or present during the period of old testament now too  and according to the Bible undeniably too! The catholic expounded definition of virgin Mary is clearly a false  add on to the Bible, New testament.
 

 The real truth is that the even evangelicals do now have many major faults of their own they need to deal still to do as well, and not just solely pick on the Abortionists, Catholics, Cults, gays, etc., Even the evangelicals fight amongst themselves and we see this in the common ungodly war between Pentecostals and non Pentecostals too.

Sadly Bashing others, uplifting one group or self over others is very popular on the net, in churches too and is known as bullying, done even by the Pastors, priests, Christian and non Christian persons but it is still unacceptable. I expect to the people do it in false pride to make themselves feel better, but very shortly they next again become depressed still because after all it is still an immoral act that needs to be repented off.

(2 Tim 2:25 KJV) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

As for “It is only in this world that we can find a created being who has power to forgive the sinner, who can free him from the chains of sin and hell; and that extraordinary being is the priest, the Catholic priest. “Who can forgive sins except God? Was the question, which the Pharisees harshly asked. “Who can forgive sins?” is the question that the Pharisees of the present day also ask: and the answer is, There is a man on earth that can forgive sins, and that man is the Catholic priest. This because the priest is the ambassador of God (1 Cor 3:9).”

Now there is no way I can believe that at all too.. or that Virgin Mary is a deity, part of the trinity, speaks to people today.. Believe it or not I too have met many Mary worshippers in the Catholic church myself lately who were sexually immoral, even a lesbian cult too. Their forgiveness for me rightfully does not mean much when they basically cannot even change themselves.

Me I am not a catholic, or a protestant, but a true Believer in Jesus Christ, a Christian.

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/am-i-therefore-become-your-enemy/

>>You are not alone, I too, came dangerously close to switching faiths ; I almost threw in my lot with one of them countless born-again churches that daily seem to spring up everywhere. But there was something utterly detestable and repulsive about these sects that kept me away. Today, am glad that I stayed away because they are like a cancer. I also fail to understand how anyone can believe the so-called “speaking in tongues.” I once asked someone whether he really understood a thing when people “speak in tongues”. He answered in the negative but said that those filled with the Holy Spirit do. I then asked him, who these holy spirit-filled people are. He said that he did not know.

There was a day when I was a child and I too could not understand it

Me I speak in tongues when led by the Holy Spirit and I need too and I am one of these holy spirit filled persons.

After I pray or speak in tongues I pray for the English discernment as well so I can understand it as the Bible commands we should and I do get it as well. It is often revealing, surprising as to what I have prayed, said too. I was in a church when the pastor had finished his sermon, and I had next given a tongue prophecy.. ” My servant has preached my message and has rightfully called you to repentance, BUT you have refused to come, shall I here announce your sins to all” next dozens of people rush to the church alter for repentance..

(Eph 5:19 KJV) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

(Eph 5:20 KJV) Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

(Eph 5:21 KJV) Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

  http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome

>Does anyone here know how the JW cultists get around the Greek here in order to maintain their blasphemous belief that Jesus Christ was an incarnation of the archangel Michael?
 
They lie, they add to the word of God, and to the  GREEK, and they claim they have used a translator’s privilege to actually reinterpret the Bible passages to get the point of view they want..
 
and it seems ACTUALLY many other people do that too anyway, they also even do pick and chose the Bible passages to suit their own point of view in many cults, sects, Christian denominations…
 
so they lie to themselves basically firstly and if you do that you are headed in a really bad direction cause you often start to believe your own lies next too.
   
2: I found these comments really appropriate on a site that discussed our need to daily read the Bible.
 
“A true conversation, of course, involves both talking and listening. Most of us do better with the talking part. I used to be so occupied doing the Lord’s work that I had no time to pay close attention to God’s voice. I preached six times a week, taped two television programs, traveled across the nation, wrote books, pastored the church, and administrated a large church staff and broadcast ministry (among other daily duties). I spent time talking to God, very often about the needs of my personal life and ministry—but not much time listening to God. I ended up in the hospital for a week and out of circulation for three months. If we don’t learn how to listen to God, we can make unwise and very costly mistakes.” 

(Col 2:9 KJV) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

(Col 2:10 KJV) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

You are complete only in Him too.

All of our souls are in great danger of being swallowed by this formidable tide of apostasy and corruption, which is devastating the Church, churches and never mind the world because many people have submitted to the lusts of their carnal flesh, as well to the call of the devil and the world undeniably.

Two of my continual shocks in life the last 5 decades amongst many others now too now are as to how many evangelical pastors now basically are still ungodly and how come they wrongfully do not repent of this?

Secondly in the last 5 decades 50 percent of once loudly professing evangelical Christians undeniably depart by their own choice from the faith even admittedly

I am of the opinion that many people look at past Christian History to overcome the God shaped vacuum they presently do have in their life too.. and there are many reasons now even for this – them specifically not being led today by the Holy Spirit.. even that they are rather doing their own thing, or they are in deliberate willful sins, or they are pride, or they are abusing others or their spouse even by cheating, lying to and stealing from them, amongst many other reasons. I like what I had read years ago.. God has not moved! Did you?

I admit I was in shock, in anger about 3 decades ago when for the first time some one said God can talk directly to you personally, I found that initially unbelievable, even as to why I had not heard him before.. too busy talking and not quietly listening to him firstly too.

Ever notice how so many professing Christians do a lot of talking, but rarely quote any Bible verses in reality, seems they too still want to still hear themselves do all the talking and not God rather.

(Rom 6:6 KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

(1 Cor 1:23 KJV) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

(1 Cor 2:2 KJV) For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

(1 Cor 2:8 KJV) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

(2 Cor 13:4 KJV) For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

(Gal 2:20 KJV) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

(Gal 5:24 KJV) And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

(Gal 6:14 KJV) But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 

http://withoutwax.tv/2008/06/16/continue-the-conversation-sync-part-3/    “Responses to “Continue The Conversation (SYNC-Part 3)”  This is something that I struggle with…being a Pastor and growing up in a Pastor’s home, at times I have found myself coasting on the knowledge I have gained throughout the years. I have made a more then conscious effort as of late to make reading the Word “the” priority of my day. It is unreal what God is revealing to me….
  
It has to be for me to stay on track. I know it sounds like an over-simplification but Dwight L. Moody said it best. “The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible.”
  
 I love “and I ‘rested’ in the Lord rather then ‘doing’ quiet time. I’m trying to get my quiet time out of the homework category. I don’t want to view it as something I just need to check off my list. I’m hoping to get some time this week to just absorb the Scriptures instead of just reading them!
 
(Phi 2:5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
(Phi 2:6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(Phi 2:7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
(Phi 2:8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Phi 2:9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
(Phi 2:10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(Phi 2:11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I read in a book one time that we should pray that God would make His Word a delight to us. I prayed that for a long time. It is a delight to me now. 
 
God’s words are truly life to me right now. I have always been one to journal (and I still love it) but things are different now. because of my life circumstances I need god more than ever before. and because of that it is an ongoing “meeting” we have throughout the day instead of a set “quiet time”. I really want my health and marriage restored but without these circumstances I wouldn’t know god the way I do. I NEED to know what HE is saying to me through his word and I love it.
 
If I were honest with you, I would tell you that I cannot remember the last time I had a quiet time.
Honestly.
And if I continued to be honest with you, I would tell you that I also have not been to church in like the past month.
Are the two related. Probably.
 
I don’t have profound revelation usually when I read the Bible. But I still do it daily. Some days I don’t want to take a shower or get out of bed, but I do it because I need to. Same with the Bible. If I don’t do it I might miss out. I hate to be out of the loop. Even when I don’t get chills or cry or feel all good inside I know that the Lord is dropping wisdom right into my heart. That is why I read the Bible daily. My prayer life is much stronger in my quiet time than my Bible references. But I can tell you the stuff I read gets stuck inside and when I need it it’s there. I usually cannot tell you what book, chapter, or verse. How much does that matter? It’s the wisdom and knowledge that God imparts upon my being that matters. Even if it feels like a chore, my advice is to do it anyway. You don’t have to read a whole chapter. Just pick a psalm or a proverb. Start small and work your way up. You’ll be blessed for your efforts.
  
This is a GREAT topic of conversation!  I have only been a Christian for about 7 years and over these past 7 years, I have found that my walk with Christ has been filled with peaks and valleys. If I wasn’t at a peak, I was at a valley. It was never constant. Then I realized something.when I was reading His Word daily, I was peaking and when I wasn’t..down to the valley I would go. Now, I’m at a constant. I am in His Word every day! I have to be. Now, don’t get me wrong. There are still peaks and valleys, but they are not extreme. I am no longer on the roller coaster ride. I have fallen deeper in love with Christ and yearn, daily, to know more of God’s character. I am surprised and amazed every day by what He is showing me. Little nooks and cranny’s that I have never seen before. It’s truly incredible. It’s like the first time you realize you’re in love with someone, but better.
  
If a plant does not get water, or enough of it, it first wilts, dries up and then dies. This is so true of us! We NEED the water of His word to THRIVE and GROW.:-)
  
It is. If I’m not in the Word and dedicated time for spending time with the Lord in the morning, my day is awful. Well, I should say I am awful. I’m out of sorts, quick to find fault, easily annoyed, the list goes on. It is amazing to me how totally different I am when I am walking in the Spirit instead of racing along in my flesh. And I am so thankful that those “awful” days are far and few between. Praise Him!
  
It amazes me how comforting God’s word can be in facing life’s problems. I am facing a financial problem that will, without doubt, affect my life for many years to come. While “trying to figure it all out” yet again this morning, I started reading the Psalms and ran across a scripture that said ” My times are in God’s hands.” The worry melted away immediately! This is not a coincidence for me. God’s word has given me comfort when I needed comfort, strength when I felt weak, courage when I felt defeated, hope when all appeared lost, and joy when hurt turned into tears. God’s word reveals promises that I can count on, and wisdom when all seems confusing. The truth is that I can’t think of a reason not to spend time in God’s word! It is nourishment for my soul!”
 
>> Unfortunately, the Word is a struggle for me. I have had months where I have faced very similar things.. Firstly we al still have to eat, I still just merely read daily the Bible and have my quiet time, by faith trusting God is working on the oppressions too. Secondly I admit that I am a slave servant of Jesus Christ and most conflicts firstly tend to be caused by me trying to take my own charge, control of my life, wanting to do my own thing.. and upon surrender this to God  I continue to follow his will rather. God generally replies to me and says there will be days when you cannot seem to feel me, see me, just trust me I love you and I am still there holding your hand.     

LIke I have said often” Too many even professing Christian persons are still parrots, they have not really read the Bible for themselves, they really do not know the Bible or God for that matter still too.. they are repeating what others have told them, and too often often it is distorted truths, lies.. 

(James 1:19 KJV) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(James 1:21 KJV) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(James 1:22 KJV) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
   
5 percent of Christians only read their Bible daily, 25 percent of church Christians at the most are really born again too, 70 percent of evangelical pastors are unchristian.. 50 percent of all once loudly professing Christians next give up or sell their faith too. reality, (had they stayed in God’s word they would have been great saints, but it was the devil who discouraged them away..) and it is not what you know that counts but how much of the Bible that you actually practice in love too now that counts. 

 

 

Exemplary

 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

NOW DUE TO MY POSTS I HAVE RECEIVED   BASHING EMAILS FROM MANY PASTORS NOW TOO IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. HEY I HAVE SEEN ALL KIND OF ABUSES IN THE GOVERNMENTS, CHURCHES, CIVIL AND PUBLIC SERVANTS,   BY THE POLICE, RCMP, ON THE NET, IN FAMILIES AS WELL THE LAST 4 DECADES TOO, but public exposure and prosecution of the abusers,   the really bad persons serves everyone’s best interest still too.
 
No! I rightfully do not accept personally any abuses quietly, and neither does God, especially not from any Pastor!
 
and I have often rightfully said how can I now expect the government leaders to be exemplary?  when the many evangelical pastors I have encountered to date were not, not even the evangelical ones..
  
(1 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop ( a ruling elder) , he desireth a good work. 2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3  Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4  One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6  Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7  Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
 
(1 Tim 3:11 KJV)  Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
 
(Gen 6:9 KJV)  These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
 
(Rom 5:12 KJV)  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Rom 3:23 KJV)  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
 
And why am I so rightfully hard on the evangelical pastors you say? Well firstly they should know more and even behave better than the rest, and not rather be more unacceptable religious hypocrites. I have mentioned recently how  one Pastor had lied on the net, he rewrote what I had posted to him.. and next did not post my subsequent responses to him too? Did that stop me, dream on, I just posted the truth on my own many popular sites for everyone to know what he did, is like too,   but at least the same pastor showed me how immorally he really was now too by what he did. Was I disappointed yet? Yes. Was I really surprised? No? ” For there still is nothing good in man! It is not just the lay persons who need to daily repent of their sins but all pastors now as well, preaching the gospel is never an acceptable alternative to living it too. I too would rightfully rather see a sermon first lived than one merely hypocritically preached to me. The Word of God is also like a two edged sword, it applies to the preacher as well as the one being preached to.
 
(1 Tim 5:24 KJV)  Some men’s sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
 
(1 Tim 5:25 KJV)  Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
 
(Prov 9:9 KJV)  Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
 
(Prov 20:7 KJV)  The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him.
 
(Prov 24:16 KJV)  For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
 
(Eccl 7:20 KJV)  For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
 
(Mark 6:20 KJV)  For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.
 
(Acts 10:22 KJV)  And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
 
(1 Tim 5:20 KJV)  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
 
(1 Tim 5:21 KJV)  I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
 
(1 Pet 5:1 KJV)  The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
 
(1 Pet 5:2 KJV)  Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4  And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
 
(1 Pet 5:5 KJV)  Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another (Mutual submission), and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6   Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
 
(1 Pet 5:7 KJV)  Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
 
(1 Pet 5:8 KJV)  Be sober ( Don’t get drunk now too) , be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9  Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
 
(1 Tim 5:22 KJV)  Lay hands suddenly on no man,
neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.
  

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly (Not drunk) , righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 
(Eph 5:18 KJV)  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
(Eph 5:19 KJV)  Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
(Eph 5:20 KJV)  Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
(Eph 5:21 KJV)  Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
(Eph 5:22 KJV)  Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
(Eph 5:23 KJV)  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(Eph 5:24 KJV)  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:25 KJV)  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

religious abuse

Churches should be sanctuaries .. not prisons

Faith should be the ultimate freedom .. not the ultimate trap

 

 

 

 
 

Am I therefore become your enemy

One mistake by a Catholic, Pentecostal, Charismatic preacher and it is undeniable, clearly seems even on the net too that the  other professing Christians  are quick and  ready to kill the wounded, to even bury them with further lies, distortions, slanders.. and what ever! The reaction of these still rather other bad guys is quite revealing, it firstly shows they have no love themselves too. That kind of approach won’t do much for the critics’ own positive feeling of  personal self worth, self esteem too. They clearly must really hate themselves next for doing so as  well.   So what happened to the Biblical instruction of personally showing love, staying humble, meek too?
 
(Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.(Mat 5:5 KJV)  Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
 
(Mat 11:29 KJV)  Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.(Mat 21:5 KJV)  Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.(1 Pet 3:4 KJV)  But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.(Heb 10:24 KJV)  And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:(Heb 12:3 KJV)  For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.(Rom 12:20 KJV)  Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.(Prov 24:17 KJV)  Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: 18  Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.(Gal 4:16 KJV)  Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

(2 Th 3:15 KJV)  Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

(James 4:4 KJV)  Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

It is a sad known fact that the fundamental dispensationalist, Baptist, Brethren. etc., who seem to have been readying too many men’s commentaries should firstly now go back to reading the Bible and practice it themselves.. wrongfully seem to love to bash, hate, provoke fights, bully the Charismatic, Pentecostals, Catholics.. under the false disguise of love and truth too, and I used to be naive and think that only ungodly secular persons behave like that to fill that God shaped vacuum they they feel in their heart, lives, but it now turns out these other bad professing fundamental Christians do so as well.. they are certainly not being led by person of the Holy Sprit to do this.. but by the devil too.,, and you can tell that by their lack of real love towards the other Born again Christians..

Two sides of the same story. My local Baptist Church pastor had told me what an reliable, honorable man my father in law was, I guess he was buttering me up for a donation.. a bit just shortly after that I went to a funeral of my father in law’s relative. There the close relatives told me first hand a whole different story. My father in law was a womanizer, a boozer, had been even separated from his wife as well, and had been kick out of a Brethren church cause they considered him and his acts as being non Christian. Next I really could not see anything Christian about him now as well..  Telling lies is a sin even for a pastor now too.
 
Sow the wrong seed and you can also next reap a whirl wind , church pastors included now, and there is really no such thing as a little bit allowable sins for pastors included, no such thing as being a  little bit pregnant here too.. and it is still clearly unacceptable for any Pastors to counsel a man’s wife behind his back and without his knowledge, approval,  permission, but even this sadly an unacceptable  common occurrence in evangelical churches now too, even in the Brethren, Baptist, Alliance and Pentecostals churches now too.. and this is how the war against the perverse pastors’ of the Toronto airport church and other similar bad churches  had next escalated. When any spouse starts to talk to others about their family affairs they now are next definitely  headed towards divorce wars as well..
 
Many many pastors do wrongfully still  think that the citizens complaints about them  is all a big joke, they laugh at it, mock them too. Don’t believe me, just  do an internet search “Walter Kambulow” and see their poor  responses to his writings. Pastors falsely think they are above the law and yet many of them have, do  threaten to sue you when you get too close and personal about them. They want it both ways, they cannot though. They the evangelical pastors firstly do need to get real, to act like real Christians firstly now and work for God rather then self. They seem to have nice cars, nice homes, great salaries, expensive perks, vacations too too many of them.. Pastors Jim Baker,  Jimmy Swaggart was not the first or last pervert, crook.

Do see also http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/parrots/

“Thank you for your comment. I will agree with you that it is important to live our lives as God desires for us too. One important point is simply that without reading God’s Word on a regular basis we cannot know exactly how to live.I do have on question for you: Where did you get the stat “70 percent of evangelical pastors are unChristian”? Just curious about that.”
 
I would not be so quick to deny what I have written now too. As you can read on my many many sites, I have already detailed this there and often too, that I have fellowshipped with many churches, Canada wide too, with many evangelical pastors directly for many many years in Canada, and I too first was surprised as to how many of them openly admitted to even me the names of specific pastors that had committed adultery, even the Baptist and Pentecostals ones. My first senior Christian Missionary alliance pastor John Fitzstevens, had initially had told me 4 decades ago even that that 70 percent of the Canadian, American pastors were ungodly. And I had immediately asked him what he was doing about it personally. I had provided spiritual counseling to his family too.
 
Next a major US news media had interviewed many evangelical pastors and they had reported that 70 percent of evangelical pastors had had admitted they had committed adultery, and I myself know personally much many evangelical pastors that have committed adultery. I have even directly witnessed them stealing ,money, lying gossiping, slandering too.
  

I have rarely met any Godly pastors in the last 50 years, I can count those on one hand too.A Church secretary of a Baptist major denominations in two large Canadian provinces for 3 decades told me firsthand that most of her pastors commit tax evasions, and so does she as well. I myself had witnessed a brethren head church elder reading pornography at an airport, I had witnessed another pastor committing adultery too. I had a witness, backed up with a police report that an evangelical pastor had punched me, physically assaulted me, with no provocation too, and the same thing had happened to my own brother on another occasion and he too had called the police and reported the matter.

But none of this should be a surprise because my first initial shock about 3 decades ago was the unacceptable fact that the undeniable majority of evangelical pastors do, had counseled divorce, and I wanted to know why? and I next had solely rightfully concluded they were basically sex maniacs, and that is why they kept also their divorce options open.

The bad pastors are trying to get falsely their rewards on earth it seems  and not in heaven.. Do what I say and not what I do is what they also preach.

I have posted these facts for the last decade too to all of Canada’s 1000 major politicians, and major news editors, on the net too.

I have had a deputy Minister, the second in command of the province of Alberta tell me face to face how crooked the evangelical pastors in Alberta were, a fact known by many of his colleagues too.

None of the politicians, persons, major news media have ever contradicted back to me on any of this, but you are the first pastor, person to do this too in decades, and I wonder why?

Now since you do really know your Bible you know that the Bible already says says that adultery is God’s punishment to those at whom he is upset at.. and I can think of many bad things that pastors do that upset God… this adultery is all so common and where have you been?

I was next shocked as to how many of them are alcoholics now too.

I have helped to remove many, many bad evangelical church pastors, founding pastors too, for their unrepentant immoralities as well in Canada in the last many years too.

When I do deal with a still unrepentant pastor I also do get a clear vision of their additional major sins, and you should see next their pale faces, holy terror, their shakes and trembling, even that of their spouses when I personally do start to reveal what I do know about them, their unrepentant immoral acts, and they the pastor really do they know that they are reaping what they have sowed.. still most of them, 90 percent do not repent, rather they tend to leave town instead. I do also tell them you will have wished you had listened to me and repented , for next it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God as well.. I can never overcome the fact that most of them think that they cannot be rebuked, corrected, and falsely think that God had overlooked their unacceptable sins because time has passed as well and he did not.

I have helped to remove the federal tax exempt charter of a really bad evangelical church now as well and it closed as a result too

I was sitting in a significant church where the pastor was putting on a show.. so I prayed and asked God as to what he had thought of this pastor, and he had replied that he has the same ability to sin that your brother has. My brother has written two books now that are posted on the net about bad pastors and their sins.

and you would be shocked as to how many Pastors do not pray one hour a day or read their Bible one hour a day.. for they all of persons should be the first ones to do this too.

 Further  comments not needed for one cannot deny the truth.
 

 

Parrots

Too many even professing Christian persons  are still parrots, they have not really read the Bible for themselves, they really do not know the Bible or God for that matter still too.. they are repeating what others have told them, and too often often it is distorted truths,  lies..
 
(James 1:19 KJV)  Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20  For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
 
(James 1:21 KJV)  Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
 
(James 1:22 KJV)  But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
 
>>how can a Christian be possessed by a demon if the Holy Spirit resides there? it HAS to be one or the other but NEVER both.

The answer is simple, it lies in a person’s continual free will, he chooses God’s way or the devil.. any time too..
 
The Bible’s  King Saul is a great example of this too.
 
I know for sure once professing Christians who now are demon possessed, the evil spirit from their father next descended upon them, for they had allowed it to occur too..  or they had been seduced to do so…
 
5 percent of Christians only read their Bible daily, 25 percent of church Christians at the most are really born again too, 70 percent of evangelical pastors are unchristian.. 50 percent of all once loudly professing Christians next give up or sell their faith too… reality
 
Now face it.
 
We all need to start with the premises that there are false prophets but also true prophets, for throwing out the dirty baby with the wash water is absurd too.. all of us are basically still ignorant of the Holy Spirit and his works,
 
for we have our essays too often on the devil ,,
 
Too many commentaries, critics  expect all prophets to be perfect, which they were not, even the great old testament prophet that was Moses was a sinner, and sinned seriously
 
Jesus alone is perfect not us.. God still uses sinners for prophets today
 
(Mat 19:21 KJV)  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 
(Mark 10:21 KJV)  Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
 
(Luke 12:33 KJV)  Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
 
(2 Cor 4:7 KJV)  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
(Psa 14:1 KJV)   The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
 
(Psa 14:3 KJV)  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
(Psa 53:3 KJV)  Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
(Prov 11:17 KJV)  The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh.
 
(Eccl 7:20 KJV)  For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
 
(Rom 3:12 KJV)  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
(3 John 1:11 KJV)  Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
 
It is still an unacceptable sin and not rather supposed love  for Baptist, brethren, any goners to hate, promote hatred against the Charismatics, Christian Pentecostals or the Christian Catholics too, or any others.
 
(Luke 11:13 KJV)  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
 
(Luke 11:21 KJV)  When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:22   But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. 24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.25  And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
 
(Luke 11:27 KJV)  And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.28  But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
 
(Luke 11:17 KJV)  But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth. 18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.19   And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.20  But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
 
(Mat 7:3 KJV)  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?  4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. 6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7  Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8  For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9  Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10  Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
 
(Mat 7:12 KJV)  Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
 
(Mat 7:13 KJV)  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
 
(Mat 7:14 KJV)  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
(Mat 7:15 KJV)  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
 
(Mat 7:16 KJV)  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
 
(Mat 7:17 KJV)  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
 
(Mat 7:18 KJV)  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
 
(Mat 7:19 KJV)  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
 
(Mat 7:20 KJV)  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 
(Mat 7:21 KJV)  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 
(Mat 7:22 KJV)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
 
(Mat 7:23 KJV)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
(Mat 7:24 KJV)  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.26  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
 
I have a good rule in counseling or listening to others, when I start to hear cliches. non original remarks, parrot talk, I tend to know these people are basically not honest, not sincere, and they cannot be helped still too..
 
and it is not what you know that counts but how much of the Bible that you actually practice in love too now that counts
 
(Deu 8:2 KJV)  And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
 
(Deu 8:16 KJV)  Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do thee good at thy latter end;
 
(2 Chr 7:14 KJV)  If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
 
(2 Chr 34:27 KJV)  Because thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou heardest his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith the LORD.
 
(Job 22:29 KJV)  When men are cast down, then thou shalt say, There is lifting up; and he shall save the humble person.
 
(Psa 9:12 KJV)  When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble.
 
(Psa 34:2 KJV)  My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
 
(Psa 69:32 KJV)  The humble shall see this, and be glad: and your heart shall live that seek God.
 
(Prov 16:19 KJV)  Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
 
(Prov 29:23 KJV)  A man’s pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.
 
(Isa 57:15 KJV)  For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
 
(Jer 13:18 KJV)  Say unto the king and to the queen, Humble yourselves, sit down: for your principalities shall come down, even the crown of your glory.
 
(Mat 18:4 KJV)  Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
 
(Mat 23:12 KJV)  And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
 
(James 4:6 KJV)  But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
 
(James 4:10 KJV)  Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
 
(1 Pet 5:5 KJV)  Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
 
(1 Pet 5:6 KJV)  Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

 

 

 

Distorters, Disrupters, Decievers

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A house divided against itself cannot stand (Mark 3:25)  applies to  Churches, and our homes, and our marriages too.

(Prov 16:19 KJV)  Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

Bullies, abusers, liars, slanderers tend to be clearly immoral persons who try to enslave others uancceptably even if they profess to be Christian or what ever,,

(Mark 12:38 KJV)  And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces, 39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: 40  Which devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation. 41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

(Mark 12:42 KJV)  And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: 44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

(Isa 57:15 KJV)  For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

I want you to clearly teach the meaning of these above verses to all and these below as well.

(Prov 11:2 KJV)  When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.

(Prov 13:10 KJV)  Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

(2 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

God to thee alone I cry for help, be my refuge, my strength, my deliverer for blessed are all those who do put their trust in you now before the children of men.”

(Psa 37:40 KJV)  And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.

(Micah 7:2 KJV)  The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net. 3  That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up.  4  The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity. 5  Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom. 6  For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man’s enemies are the men of his own house. 7  Therefore I will look unto the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation: my God will hear me.

(Mat 10:35 KJV)  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36  And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

(Psa 14:3 KJV)  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

(2 Cor 4:7 KJV)  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 

I was in one church where the pastor was a real showman, he was a great entertainer, and in a worldly sense I admired Him.  God next spoke to me and said that God knew what he was really  like, what he was capable of, and that this same pastor  had the ability to sin as well, thus I was not to worship him or any  mere man..

(Luke 14:11 KJV)  For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Some loud mouthed pastors taking all the credit for the revival in their church forgot it was very likely someone else had firstly prayed for it to occur..

(Isa 66:2 KJV)  For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. 3   He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4  I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. 5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed. 6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompense to his enemies.

(2Pet.2:1,2,19): “There were false prophets among the [Old Testament] people, even as there shall be false teachers among you [the church], who privily shall bring in[to the church] damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them. . . . And many [of the church] shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of [by the church]. . . . While they [Christian ministers] promise them [Christian congregations] liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption.”

Always,  Always Follow After Jesus and not after any Man, elders or Pastors included. Sadly I still very often counsel sheep that have been beat up, abused by their pastors..(Jer 17:5 KJV)  Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.(Jer 17:6 KJV)  For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

(Isa 30:10 KJV)  Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: (Jer 5:31 KJV)  The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof? (Jer 14:14 KJV)  Then the LORD said unto me, The  prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. 15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

Now there are also at least six major things wrong with the North Americanized  Gospel being preached falsely today even worldwide,  and our own being personally next forewarned is properly forearmed.

1 It is mostly man centered religion and not rather God centered, it still tends to exalts man,  self, pride..not rather solely Jesus Christ.

(2 Tim 3:1 KJV) This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection,  truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4  Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.   

and not rather  (1 Cor 2:2 KJV)  For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

2 It falsely, wrongfully teaches mostly materialistic prosperity, it has a wrong still secular materialistic emphasis,  approach.. instead of agreeing with Christ that Blessed are the poor in Spirit as well..(1 John 2:15 KJV)  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.3 It denies full personal accountability, even denies the reality we will here reap on earth as well what we have sown or have not sown even.. (Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

4 It tends to deny the reality of the real personal persecutions of all true believers, and this it even fails  to prepare us to deal with our enemies, persecutions, hardships too.   (2 Tim 3:10 KJV)  But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long suffering, charity, patience, 11  Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

5 It even really fails to adequately prepare us to know God better and to walk with God himself, to follow after God instead of mere men.

(Phil 3:10 KJV)  That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, 

and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;  (1 John 4:20 KJV)  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

6 It promotes sex. While Catholicism has falsely suppressed the emphasis on marital sex, not on true love, this  often Americanized Gospel falsely promotes sex too often too,  and thus also falsely promotes related divorce, mostly for sexual lusts for a start. (2 Tim 3:6 KJV)  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.8  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9  But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Yes even today there is the still false persecution of the righteous persons by wicked, evil, not born again  persons,  but there is also our persecution by a backslidden Christian, the same one with the antichrist  spirit,  that knowingly too  tries to slander, kill Christ and his good followers, and this evil sprit it generally is still  in a  past believer in Christ, like Judas.

As the Bible even  indicates the God ordained penalty for the persecution God’s people which includes  death too, but first a  loss of  job, loss of family too. One of the best loud Biblical examples  of this is in  book of Esther. Do read this book firsthand  for this is a  great book on this subject too. 

In the New Testament Apostle Paul in the past himself amongst many others was such a persecutor of believers, a murderer as well and  God saved him too, but God made him pay the price for it too next.. 

In my own life time I have often witnessed that when a person tries to physically harm, persecute a true believer they do next either die  early for their time.. even  within a month,  6 months, two years.. depending on how unrepentant they are.

Too many Pastors, elders even  today also do try to build false churches modeled on uniqueness, isolated doctrines,  on  something that makes them supposedly better, different for others.. they practise a small isolated part of  the Bible and then even boast they are better than all of the others. Most  Churches wrongfully do not practise all of the Bible, for they really do not  know it to start if with as well, not even the pastors..  Many pastors wrongfully  do still  build a church even as a job  income, or to promote glory unto themselves..  and they really not they do not  build on on Christ.. they really do not read the Bible or pray for their flock daily.. they unacceptably  are not building truly the true  Church of Christ.

(Mat 7:22 KJV)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not  prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy  name done many wonderful works?  23   And then will I profess unto them,  I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

(1 Cor 2:2 KJV)  For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3  And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4  And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5  That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.(Eph 1:1 KJV)  Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, ..not by the will of man too..”Some of the most desperate cries being uttered by God’s “sheep” today are those pleas for the Lord to send them a GOOD Pastor = a good SHEPHERD.

In every “pasture”, the sheep are saying, “Lord, send us a good shepherd”.

God’s still does sends miracles to you today, that is, when you believe! You still do have to do something to get God to act on your behalf OR ON THE BEHALF OF OTHERS..

Remember? “And he [Jesus Christ] did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief,” Matthew 13:58.

The Bible itself is a miracle book, brought about by supernatural means in holy men of God as they were “moved by the Holy Ghost” (II Peter 1:21) …moved by God, who is SPIRIT… according to John 4:24a. (”Ghost” is “spirit,” it is the same Greek word pneuma for both “ghost” or “spirit.”)

Too many people have a problem also now just with the existence of Miracles, but with the reality that the Divinely inspired Bible was all brought about by “the power of the Holy Spirit”?! Plenty. So it is not surpassing man y people have problems, or a lack of faith for God to perform miracles their  behalf or on the behalf of others. It’s also amazing to me that people have a problem with that when in fact they will believe in things more difficult to believe in than God’s Word, like ……Life on mars or aliens.  Just unbelievable! The only “aliens” I know of, as recorded in God’s Word, are “devil spirits.”  Something really peculiar also is that so many people will believe in “angels,” but they do not believe in “the power of the God, Jesus, the holy spirit” …yet……. both truths, both of these realities, still come from the same Bible.  Isn’t that odd  that many only believe certain realities from the same Bible! And why is that?

Further, some people actually think angels are a greater phenomenon than even God’s gift to man, named …the gift of holy spirit, Acts 2:38, and Ephesians 2:8.  Especially, when God had recorded within His Word, the words: holy spirit, spirit, spiritually, holy ghost, etc. hundreds of times more (almost 800 times in God’s Word) as compared to the word …”angels,” or “messengers,” etc. (used under 300 times).

It is an intriguing matter when men magnify things that God does not magnify, and when God magnifies things that men do not magnify it. Sinful of course.

The Word of God now too often is even sensationalized in preaching, books, tapes for the people’s false and shallow belief? People tend to like to hear only certain topics.

and there is clearly  even an evilly devised, satanic-origin to the magnification of angels over God’s giving of “the gift of holy spirit,” Acts 2:38? Over the word of God too.

Remember? II Corinthians 11:14, “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

The greatest “gift” God has also ever given to man is “the gift of God,” explained in further detail within the quote, “the gift of holy spirit” …which Jesus Christ gave his life… for each one of us to personally obtain.

God has also emphasized, magnified His “gift” to man in Jesus Christ over the reality of angels. And  ”Know ye not that we shall judge angels,” I Corinthians 6:3.

Internet “Search Engine” compilations, statistics, reveal that people look up the keyword “angels” with a ratio of at least two to one more times than people search or look up the words “spirit” or “holy spirit!”  Even more startling …is when many are looking up the keyword “angels” more than they are the real keywords of life …”God” or “Jesus” or “Christ” or “Jesus Christ!” ” Why? because many persons really are not interested in personally being spiritual rather they just want  their minds tickled with facts, information.”

Many so called Christian, church Internet sites do not even promote Jesus Christ and his finished works for us, but promote wrongfully their organization, man, are a false reason and wrong source for the solicitation of funds too.

For our weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.” II Cor 10:4-5

II Tim 1:7   ”For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”

1 John 3:8 “He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”

Hebrews 2:14 “Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.”

Destroy is katargeo in Greek; meaning to render inoperative, abolish, or to make of no effect.

[Romans 16:20 “And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.”]

Bruise is suntribo in Greek; meaning to crush completely and to shatter.

Acts 10:38 “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil (whom the devil exercised power over); for God was with him.”

Healing is iaomai in Greek; meaning cure, heal, or make whole.

1 John 3:10-11 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.”

and resisting the devil by the blood of Jesus and the name of Jesus, by prayer is an ongoing daily need too.

Like I have said one is not a Christian before one notice the vast difference between fundamental Christians, in particularly between the Pentecostals and the non Pentecostals.. the difference lies also in the aspects, emphasis  of the Holy Spirit, Spiritual Gifts, and the gifted Church members, offices too.,, such as even Apostles, Prophets.. and there are differences even on the issue of eternal security.. While both sides claim to believe the Bible is the word of God, they seem to explain it all very differently… the problem to me it seems is that clearly one group is doing it mostly in their own wisdom, not in God’s, they are not allowing the Holy Spirit to guide,  teach them, but rather the flesh, mere men and the devil.. but next each one says the other group is doing this.. the same professing Christian group that has a low emphasis on the Holy Spirit is the one in error.

Yes, the Sinful persons in any church they can still be used by the Holy Spirit because they’re the choice of the Holy Spirit as a vessel to be used.  (2 Cor 4:7 KJV)  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

And it has also now bugged the daylights out of me that I knew that some persons in all churches and in all denominations were still sinning very bad, but God still used them as a vessel!  God uses people also in the church who are available vessels, who are vessels that are opened to be used and often those vessels are in sin. God uses also some sinful and even unbelieving pastors cause others had prayed for them to be used by God, their spouses included. God can also use anybody, anything as  well, a jack ass too,  and the usage of the  vessel by the Holy Spirit does not sanction the sin, the persons now still, and as a matter of fact often soon after, there’s going to be a visible judgment based on that person’s still unrepentant sins and there’s even going to be a lot of bewilderment. There’s going to be a lot of local, national concerns about why how one could have  be sinful and be even spiritual as well. I have seen this as well. Always still keep your eye on God and his word and not the vessels.

God’s will also  is for  all persons to know Him initially and continually and firstly  through genuine personal repentance. For  immaturity and unrepentant  sins will keep any believer in  the pigpen instead..  you cannot have one foot in the world, flesh, the devil, hell and the other one next in Heaven, with God.. it cannot be done. That is why so many so called Christian persons are still unspiritual and why they cannot understand the truth or know it. Why we have so many false pastors false teachers, false apostle, false prophets, false evangelists, the  false believers .

God does not forever overlook all of the injustice being done or all of the unrepentant personal sins, in fact often there is a time when these persons who have sowed them  do next reap the negative things they sowed, and they are even publicly exposed as being false.

SADLY TO ME THE STILL DEMONICALLY LED CHRISTIANS DO STILL BELIEVE THAT THE MIRACLES OF BIBLE TIMES ARE NO LONGER OCCURRING TODAY OR THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO US CLEARLY EVEN BECAUSE OF UNREPENTANT SIN IN THEIR LIFE, AND/OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT MATURED SPIRITUALLY, AND /OR BECAUSE THEY ARE CARNAL CHRISTIANS AND NOT SPIRITUAL ONES.

They may not  deny the Biblical account of the miracles of creation, the flood, the walls of Jericho story, the virgin birth of Christ or his resurrection. To them these Miracles have confirmed the sonship of Jesus. These all are written solely that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. . .” (John 20:31).

But they will next  wrongfully say that  to “look for modern-day miracles outside the Book demonstrates our lack of faith in the Bible and the Son of God it reveals.” This is just more of their mere Garbage.. real faith in God believes still in His miracles today as well. For God has not changed, changes not.. nor does, did  Jesus.. (Mal 3:6 KJV)  For I am the LORD, I change not;  (Heb 13:8 KJV)  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Mind you these same people do believe their own garbage and the fact they are spiritual by telling us such distortions still too. These rather carnal, immature, legalistic, Christian distortionists will sadly also say to you about the 9 MIRACULOUS GIFTS that they are ” Like scaffolding, a temporary platform for workmen on a new building, miraculous gifts were temporary to enable the early church time to mature and grow. Instruction had to be given in the absence of a written, confirmed, complete and perfect revelation. These gifts were to last “till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto the full-grown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. . .(Ephesians 4:13). “

Ironically it is also very clear to most of us that we all have not even achieved a unity of faith so these miraculous gift thus are still needed and exist still today too so we can come to a unity of the faith even still.

And the distortionists  they will tend to add that “These gifts came only through the laying on of the apostles’ hands.” “The apostles had to go to Samaria to lay hands on those Philip had converted and bestow gifts on them, because Philip could not do it (Acts 8:16). Paul laid his hands on twelve men at Ephesus and they spoke in tongues and prophesied (Acts 19:6). The seven deacons, including Philip, received the laying on of hands of the apostles (Acts 6:6). Paul laid his hands on Timothy to enable him to receive a special gift (2 Timothy 1:6). Finally, Paul longed to go to Rome, “that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established” (Romans 1:11). “

Only the apostles (  only the Holy Spirit rather still could do this) could give the nine miraculous gifts (1 Cor. 12:4-11). When the apostles died, their hands died with them and the ability to bestow gifts by “the laying on of hands” died also. “  And as to what Apostles are they talking about? Note they will also have to deny that more than 12 Apostles had existed at the time of Christ or that Apostles do exists today as well. Not all of the Christian persons now even spoke in tongues solely by the laying on of the apostle’s hands.

These same disrupters and liars forget that there are more ten 12 apostles mentioned in the   New Testament, at least 18, and that Apostles do even exist today as well. 

God’s word is clear on the subject of what deceivement will do to us, for it will cause us to fall away even from Him who has created us and made all things.

(Rom 1:1 KJV)  Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,  (Rom 11:13 KJV)  For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: (1 Cor 1:1 KJV)  Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother…  The very Same apostle Paul said (1 Cor 14:39 KJV)  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. (1 Cor 14:40 KJV)  Let all things be done decently and in order.

(1 Cor 14:39 KJV)  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

(1 Cor 14:40 KJV)  Let all things be done decently and in order.

(Eph 6:18 KJV)  Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; (Jude 1:20 KJV)  But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,(1 Cor 13:1 KJV)  Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

(1 Cor 12:4 KJV)  Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

(1 Cor 12:6 KJV)  And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

In Eph. 2:20, apostles and prophets are closely linked. They are both important components of the one foundation.  Ephesians would actually indicate that we are dealing with two groups of specifically gifted people. In Eph. 4:11 we are told that Christ “gave some to be apostles, some prophets…” Here both nouns have their own definite article. They are clearly two separate groups.Don’t you also find it really strange that some people today in the church expect all of today’s Prophets to be totally perfect, but yet not all of the church Pastors? Why do they have this dual standard? Are they looking for a false excuse to discredit immediately all AND ANY OF the Prophets? It sure really seems so.The mostly still sinful and rebellious Pastors and/or teachers  still really do not like to submit to any Apostles, Prophet’s even today so that is why they tend  not to like and  wrongfully to agree with this valid exposition now too. I have even heard, witnessed pastors lie. Does that now also mean every single word a prophet said, or every personal act was to be right, inspired? Don’t you find it really strange that some people today in the church expect all of today’s Prophets to be totally perfect, but yet not all of the church Pastors? Why do they have this dual standard? Are they looking for a false excuse to discredit immediately all AND ANY OF the Prophets? It sure really seems so.  

I had attended a Latter Rain Movement Church for while too, loved it, and it’s theology was great too..

But I know from many years of experiences that 70 percent of pastors are bad, hypocrites, pretenders.. in all denominations..

and I think that people who are so called experts on something they have never experienced are still just big liars, hypocrites, bullies, false teachers, false prophets..

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Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Mat 21:42-44)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send, receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. (John 13:20)   Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me ((through their word;))

(John 17:17-18, 20) (John 17:22 KJV)  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

(James 1:27 KJV)  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.   (Deu 15:11 KJV)  For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.  (Phil 2:4 KJV)  Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.  (Mat 25:34 KJV)  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35   For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

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