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Neither give place to the devil.

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Thanks  for visiting my site..
  
(Acts 20:29 KJV)  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
(Acts 20:30 KJV)  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
(Acts 20:31 KJV)  Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
(Acts 20:32 KJV)  And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
(Acts 20:33 KJV)  I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel.
(Acts 20:34 KJV)  Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
(Acts 20:35 KJV)  I have showed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
(2 Tim 3:2 KJV)  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
(2 Tim 3:3 KJV)  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
(2 Tim 3:4 KJV)  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
(2 Tim 3:5 KJV)  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
(2 Tim 3:6 KJV)  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
(2 Tim 3:7 KJV)  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 
I was once taken by surprise when a professing evangelical founding Baptist  church pastor said to me he did not accept negative comments  in his church, and he did not talk about sins now too.. yes he was next  the same immoral Pastor who had said he could not understand what Hitler now did that was so bad.. so I helped to fire him, he rightfully is no long a church pastor
  
Firstly Mormons  do not believe that Jesus Christ is God himself so we have no similiar beliefs. All Mormons are really lost still too, they are all going to Hell still next too. As simple as that.
            
Morons are not Holy Spirit led, they admit that they still are man led rather so they do not know the Bible spirtual truths, and so they can’t understand it still.
 
Speaking of false oppressions the Mormons tend to be the biggest false persons, hypocrites I also do know.. I openly and rightfully have no use for their lies, distortions, pretence too..  for they even mostly lie when they claim they even know and read the Bible for otherwise they would not be so dumb to contradict it all the time.. in their mostly false doctrines, false teachings now too.
 
 God was never married, and he never had sex with anyone too.. Jesus is not the twin of the devil, rather Jesus  still he is God himself.. he Jesus had said I and the father are one.
 
(John 10:30 KJV)  I and my Father are one. 31  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32  Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
 
and no Mormon add on, re-interpretations, additional distortions are needed. the verse is straightforward and a simple one..
 
Water itself exists in three states, solid, liquid and gas and so does God  The creator HIMSELF can certainly duplicate his CREATIONS STILL TOO..
 
NOW God, his Son, and the Spriit of Christ, God, the Holy Spirit are one still too, even though each one OF THEM  is an indivual  person, and each one of them do even personally talk to me too today.
 
(John 14:21 KJV)  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
 
(John 14:23 KJV)  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our (Plural) abode with him.
 
(John 14:26 KJV)  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
 
(John 15:4 KJV)  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
 
(John 15:5 KJV)  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
 
(John 15:6 KJV)  If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
 
(John 15:7 KJV)  If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
 
 The Mormons should stop listening to all of  their false prophets, false elders, false apostles, false teachers  and start to really talk to and to listen to Jesus and his Holy Spirit. Almost 99 percent of real Christians, evangelicals, Catholics, Pentecostals rightfully do believe Mormons are not Christians, are a cult.
 
I also do not have to work to get in Heaven, for already I am in Heaven now, I am with God, with  His son and His Holy Spirt now, I already do  have a relationship with all three of them now.. and the rest of the persons being in Hell now  is them now being seperated from all three of  them, from the Trinity.. by even their own confessions too.. for you cannot have one and not have the others..
 
(Mat 19:21 KJV)  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 
(Luke 6:40 KJV)  The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
 
(John 17:23 KJV)  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
 (Rom 12:2 KJV)  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
(Gal 3:3 KJV)  Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
 
(Eph 4:13 KJV)  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
 
 (Rev 3:2 KJV)  Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
  
 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”  2 Corinthians 11:3-4
 
One of the best way to catch fish, suckers  is to use a snared hook, loaded with genuine live bait, a genuine sounding such as one lying to the unsuspecting  person and telling them, guaranteeing them a  Divine Appointment that you will next share with them, and only the whole truth.. all now based solely on the solid rock of the preserved Word of God, even as God himself now opens doors for me to touch the lives of others, and WOW, Unbelievable, and sadly YES too often that is true..  Unbelievable..  all occurring  sadly of course by the PRESENTER, AUTHOR  unacceptably neglecting to tell them all beforehand about the hidden lies, the false hooks of course!!!
 
The false hooks of mere man’s interpretations, mere men’s teachings and not God’s now as well.. a false detour, deviation actually next from the real truth in the Bible, even from the Holy Sprit’s personal teachings now to, all made now to make sure you will never see  God’s whole truths.  Mind you and do note how how really subtle the devil is here now too. Not surprisingly the devil also now uses  the same techniques when he uses the Mormons, the Jehovah Witnesses,  and others to get you hooked on their distortions, lies, reinterpretations too..
 
 I too now have learned decades and decades ago that the Brethren are most often  deceitful in their evangelcial outreach, presentations.. meaning that they speak with a forked toungue, and meaning they generally are not straightforward and honest, immediately forthcoming what they realy believe in, who they really are now firstly too, and so we all have to beware of them.. and now I have known much too many of them  too..  and I had next found just a few of them that were really honest, Christians, only a very, very  small portion
 
 ”I have learned decades and decades ago that the Brethren are deceitful.. ” they always have their own comments, reinterpretation the Bible.. their own false context and many of them are rightfully now going to hell… they like to tell people what to do, but do not like others to tell them the truth about themselves.
 
by the way most of my family on my wife’s side are Plymouth brethren, still they cheat, lies, steal, slander, commit adultery  and they are all undeniably going to hell,  with their bad pastors, deacons, elders too..
 
All of us Living by faith for God to supply our needs, God alone to guide, lead us is not an option..
 
The brethren love to preach about the life of Rev George Muller who lived by faith, but they themselves lack faith for God to supply the needs so they now sell his books AND why do they lack faith? faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God..  but they still are mostly listen listen to mere men, men’s commentaries, dictionaries too  and not to God himself and  Jesus said my sheep hear my voice.. they cannot hear his voice..
 
When I look at a new professing Christian site  such as vision20twenty   and it makes the typical generall  proclamations that they will next guide and lead us into all truth, and only will offer the whole truth, and that they are also non denominational, real Christians, who now do promote now only the Bible and nothing more than that  and   based on my past encounters, expericnes now  I can most often be rest assured they are mere wolves in sheep clothing, the  false Brethren with their false  dispensational doctrines… including nopw http://vision20twenty.org/ where” God gave man a new dispensation (stewardship) of truth”
 
Especially too when  there are few Dispensationalist who do even agree with each other, who do even believe in most of the same things, do as well accept the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit, or the present existence of the of 5 fold New testament Biblical Ministry offices of Ephesians.
 
(Mat 19:21 KJV)  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 
(Luke 6:40 KJV)  The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
 
(John 17:23 KJV)  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
 (Rom 12:2 KJV)  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
(Gal 3:3 KJV)  Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
 
(Eph 4:13 KJV)  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
 
 (Rev 3:2 KJV)  Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
 
Do  see my posts on what a real Christian is.. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/what-does-it-really-mean-to-follow-jesus-christ/
 

I have learned decades and decades ago that most of the Brethren not just the too many bad pastors  are also deceitful, nasty, abuseful and really unacceptably bad.. they falsely are control freaks, who falsely love to practise divorce, even the silent treatment to those who do not  give them what they want.. do now see also  the postings on the topics in http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/

 

 

 

Too many preachers, teachers, people overly simplify the Gospel and distort it. Ostriches too tend to deny the negative truths of the Bible still too.

The world most famous evangelist had mislead the people, lied and had said Come to Christ and he will solve all of your problems, marital ones included.. Misleading for  God rather may let your spouse divorce you instead for your own benefit too.
 

and  in reality God will forgive your sins, but still likely allow you to reap some of the related negative consequences so that the next time you be less tempted to do it again.. for we have this treasure in earthen vessels
 
(Eph 4:26 KJV)  Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
 
(Eph 4:27 KJV)  Neither give place to the devil.
   
 
(Eph 4:28 KJV)  Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
 

(Eph 4:29 KJV)  Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
 
(Eph 4:30 KJV)  And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
 
(Eph 4:31 KJV)  Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
 
(Eph 4:32 KJV)  And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
 
(Eph 5:1 KJV)  Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
 
 Some people lie and say anger is a sin, but even God gets angry at sin, ignorance and a lot more..
 
The road to Hell itself is paved often now with our good intentions and those of others now as well. Sad!

James 1:19-25  So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. 

“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”  2 Corinthians 11:3-4
 
 Daniel 7:25, “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” Daniel 8:12, “And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it CAST DOWN THE TRUTH TO THE GROUND; and it practiced, and prospered.”
 
 2 Thessalonians 2:10. “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” 11, “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”  12, “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
 
If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18)
 
Too many persons, especially any recent converts are either unaware, or unwilling to examine, accept the official historic position of their church, denomination, the views of the critics now too . the truth is not often known even because too often the bad leaders, not only hide the truth, they  do not openly encourage a review, or disclose the negative aspects of their sect, cult, denomination in reality. We have to still personally judge and examine always all we hear, see , read..
 
Still many persons too often when next told the whole truth  their first reaction is, “My church doesn’t teach that!” Study, read the proof for yourself firstly! Examine the hidden agendas too. Even note this many of critics have too often false hidden biases and agendas now..
 
John 2:3-4, KJV, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”  For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” (Galatians 3:10)  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4; see also Acts 15:28-29) “Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness”  (Romans 4:3). This is how a person is justified and found righteous before God, and this is how a person lives a righteous life, by faith (Galatians 3:11). It is not by keeping the law of God, because “if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21). Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them. (Hebrews 13:9; see also Mark 7:14-19)

Contrary to the gospel of the New Testament, of Jesus, and the Apostles, the Seventh day  Adventists falsely teach that observance of all of the Old testament law as being still binding on all Christians today. “Adventists do differ from other Christians in that they celebrate the Bible sabbath from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday. They the Seventh day  Adventists falsely believe that all of past the laws of God are still binding on Christians today and that those who love Jesus will keep all of His, God’s  commandments. Very misleading too.

“Moreover, in their commandments of men, Adventists advocate a vegetarian diet. God undeniably created meat so we can it it.. but moderation, and self control are still always required. For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving. (1 Timothy 4:4)  Scripture does not promote a vegetarian diet as “healthier.” What Scripture basically promotes as “healthier” is firstly the attention to the wisdom of God, which, by the way, promotes the eating of meat (Genesis 9:3; 18:1-8; Leviticus 10:14; Deuteronomy 12:15, 20-21; 27; Proverbs 9:2; 1 Corinthians 10:25; 1 Timothy 4:4)  My son, give attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart; for they are life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh. (Proverbs 4:20-22)  It is the word of God that gives longer life” (Psalm 91:16; Proverbs 3:1-2; Ephesians 6:2-3), makes one “healthier” (Proverbs 3:7-8; 4:20-22), and makes one “happier,” as it is written,  Happy is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gains understanding; for her proceeds are better than the profits of silver, and her gain than fine gold. (Proverbs 3:13-14; see also Psalm 128:1-2; 144:15; 146:5; Proverbs 3:18; 14:21; 16:20; 28:14; 29:18; Romans 14:22)”

The Seventh-day Adventist church they believe the Bible teaches that the state of man in death is unconsciousness and also the Adventists reject the Biblical truth of an eternal hell of torment. This “unconscious state” is a Fundamental Belief of the Adventist church (” . . . death is an unconscious state for all people, ” Fundamental Beliefs, #25  www.adventist.org/beliefs/index.html, ).  

They here too are fundamentally wrong. Please note that in Luke 16:19-30. Both Abraham and the rich man are very much conscience, yet both of their bodies are in the grave (Genesis 25:7-9; Luke 16:22). Not only is God going to “realize that in His universe souls” are “suffering torment” that will never end, but they will suffer in His very presence (e.g. Revelation 14:10-11); people will go out and look at them (Isaiah 66:24); and the righteous (Psalm 58:9-10), the daughters of Jerusalem (Psalm 97:7-9), creation (Psalm 96:10-13), and God Himself will rejoice over their judgment (Psalm 104:31; Luke 10:21-23; Revelation 18:20; 19:1-7). Revelation 20:10  And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Note also the things they the Seventh day  Adventists too now have in common with the false cults of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, and many others now too.. contradicting the word of God.

“SDA’s share their early history with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. An early Adventist, N. H. Barbour co-published with Charles Taze Russell. They had a falling out over (what else?) dates for the end of the world! (1844 and 1874), and parted company.
 
Both, however, kept heretical doctrines to this day like Jesus being Michael the Archangel, the denial of Hell, and both still advocate soul sleep. Both invented invisible occurrences in heaven for their failed dates for Christ’s visible return, investigative judgment for the SDA’s and Christ’s invisible “presence” for Jehovah’s Witnesses.
 
There is Mormon link also for the SDA’s. It is a proven fact that Ellen G. White plagiarized most of her writings. The Church has been challenged by Walter Rea, author of the White Lie to prove that even 20% of her writings are original. They can’t. Their weak defense was that there were no copyright laws in Ellen’s day, so what she did was legal. You will never be told of her plagiarism by the SDA’s.
 
As Ellen was rising to prominence, Joseph Smith had just died. Her writings contain many phrases used by Joseph Smith. Mind you, he has also been accused of plagiarism. I have a thick file of similarities, but time does not permit details at this time, but it does illustrate just how far her “borrowing” went.
 
SDA’s often make every effort to appear “evangelical”, joining in with inter-ministry groups and trying to “blend in” with the Christian community.
 
They   consider themselves to be exclusive, and spiritually superior to the rest of of the professing Christians too.” Pride cometh before a great fall.
   
Please do see also
 
 
Some people, hypocrites are so ready to preach to the others but they clearly cannot sill live the truth they preach themselves. I too rightfully would like to see a sermon practiced, not one merely lip serviced..
 
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    (Prov 10:18 KJV) He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.

    (Prov 10:23 KJV) It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

    (Prov 12:15 KJV) The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

    (Prov 13:16 KJV) Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

    (Prov 15:5 KJV) A fool despiseth his father’s instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.

    (Prov 17:7 KJV) Excellent speech becometh not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince.

    (Prov 17:10 KJV) A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.

    (Prov 18:2 KJV) A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

    (Prov 19:1 KJV) Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool.

    (Prov 23:9 KJV) Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

    (Prov 26:1 KJV) As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.

    (Prov 26:6 KJV) He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage.

    (Prov 26:8 KJV) As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool.

    (Prov 26:11 KJV) As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

    (Prov 27:22 KJV) Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.

    Neither give place to the devil.

    September 17, 2008 at 12:37 pm

  2. I have a good laugh when someone tries to tell me he is a Mormon Christian.. to me rightfully it is like saying the devil is a christian.

    I even do have a Mormon Neighbour and I can see nothing Christian ever in what he believes in, or does..

    The Mormon Gospel too for sure is not the one of our Lord Jesus Christ

    thenonconformer

    September 17, 2008 at 8:24 pm

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  4. Mark it is the devil who makes you do the bad things

    I trust that one day you will allow the Holy Spirit to speak truth to you through His word. It’s never too late.

    The Bible says a “false balance is an abomination.” You’d do well to take heed.

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    Mark has been systematically spamming me, abusing me and he has been warned about his immoral behaviors towards me

    Hey Mark http://vision20twenty.org and you do not want me to report you to all for the personal libel, slander next too?

    All Comments containing inflammatory material, lies, slanders, offensive language, personal attacks are not permitted and will be deleted.. Despite our best hints some persons do too often turn from the Christian ideal and cheapen the quality of discourse even for everyone else. Unfortunately, it is simply impossible to write a comprehensive set of rules forbidding every type of UnChristian behavior. No love so don’t write it.. The fact that this rule may not still forbid a certain type of post does not automatically make an uncivil post appropriate, nor does it imply that the administrators will next still approve of disrespectful behavior. Every persons has a responsibility to participate in a respectful manner, and to help foster an atmosphere of thoughtful discussion. In this regard, we strongly advise all persons ito have a lttle common decency. Do not post personal attacks or engage in name-calling against other individual on this discussion board. Even very mild personal attacks are forbidden. Will be deleted

    so next Then came the devil…

    (Mat 4:1 KJV) Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

    Hey I have often said that if the devil and his evil sprits cannot lead you personally astray, away from God, he will next send a real person your way, even a false professing Christian, the false brother or sister, a dispensationalist even at that .. to try to do that.. the devil does not give up nor do his followers still too.

    Some people say that there is nothing more worse than the anger of a scorned woman..

    or try the bad acts of a false professing Christian when they are openly exposed by me, I stepped on his false ego, his sore toes ehh.. and next they become so really openly mean, verbally aggressive, insulting, slanderous! I know firstahnd for just recently I had one dispensationalist person make even a dozen negative internet bashing posts about me in just one short period ,even trying to bait me to go to his bad site and continue his fight as well.. and he still openly says he wants to lead others into new godly truths.. dream on..

    (Luke 6:39 KJV) And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

    the bad dispensational poster he needs real positive pastoral help himself, but clearly and wrongfuly he still will not take it.

    Jesus said you can tell what they are like by their own fruits..

    (Mat 7:18 KJV) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
    26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

    (Micah 7:13 KJV) Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.

    (Gal 5:22 KJV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

    (Eph 5:9 KJV) (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

    (James 3:18 KJV) And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

    (Song 6:11 KJV) I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded.

    (Mat 21:34 KJV) And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

    (Phil 1:11 KJV) Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

    thenonconformer

    September 18, 2008 at 2:26 pm

  6. >>Are you telling me when Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane and he was praying to his father he was actually praying to himself? Wouldn’t that make Jesus slightly retarded?
    you have been condemned by your own words..
    (John 10:30 KJV) I and my Father are one. Jesus
    (John 10:31 KJV) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus
    (John 10:32 KJV) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
    (John 10:33 KJV) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
    instead of reading your heretic , blasphemous books, read the Bible.. you will get a kick out what it really says too.
    Mormons are Christian.. Hey that is a joke.. they firstly believe a polygamous God had real sex with a wife, and had two sons, the devil and Jesus.. and Jesus Christ is not God.. they don’t believe the Bible was written by God, not the whole new testament.. pretenders, imposters, but they are not Christians, they are anti Christ’s cult, sect as millions of evangelicals believe and do see my past pages on Mormons..
    I never met a Mormon who lived a real Christian life in decades, my next door neighbor is a Mormon, I serviced loads of computers to Mormons as well.. still they lied, stole, got drunk too.. not a Christian life… I cannot see any difference between them and my non Christian friends, neighbors still too in reality.
    do see http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/neither-give-place-to-the-devil/
    Both Catholics and Protestants have long taken a dim view of various aspects of Mormon theology.. “Mormon beliefs diverge widely from historic Christian orthodoxy. The Book of Mormon, which is Mormonism’s principal source for its claim to new revelation and a new prophet, lacks credibility. And the Jesus proclaimed by Joseph Smith and his followers is different in significant ways from the Jesus of the New Testament: Smith’s Jesus is a God distinct from God the Father; he was once merely a man and not God; he is of the same species as human beings; and his being and acts are limited by coeternal matter and laws. The intent of this essay is not to say that individual Mormons will be barred from sitting with Abraham and the saints at the marriage supper of the Lamb. We are saved by a merciful Trinity, not by our theology. But the distinguished scholar of Mormonism Jan Shipps was only partly right when she wrote that Mormonism is a departure from the existing Christian tradition as much as early Christianity was a departure from Judaism. For if Christianity is a shoot grafted onto the olive tree of Judaism, Mormonism as it stands cannot be successfully grafted onto either.” Gerald R. McDermott, an Episcopal priest who is a professor of religion at Roanoke College:
    “But evangelicals are reluctant to vote for a Mormon. Historically, evangelicals and Mormons have demonized each other. Evangelicals consider the Church of Latter-day Saints to be a cult and typically think Mormons are not real Christians.Evangelicals accuse Mormons of adding new revelation (the Book of Mormon) to the Bible. They think Mormons teach that humans are saved by good works rather than by Jesus Christ, and that humans are of the same species as Jesus and can someday attain his status. In addition, evangelicals say, Mormons reject key Christian doctrines such as the Trinity and creatio ex nihilo (God creating the world out of nothing).” http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/mayweb-only/122-42.0.html
    ““Here is the bottom line. As an Evangelical Christian – a Christian who holds to the ‘traditional Christian orthodoxy’ of the Church – I do not believe that Mormonism leads to salvation,” wrote Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, on Wednesday evening.
    “To the contrary, I believe that it is a false gospel that, however sincere and kind its adherents may be, leads to eternal death rather than to eternal life,” he stated.
    Mohler’s response is part of an ongoing “blog dialogue” sponsored by the Web site Beliefnet.com. Since June 28, the evangelical scholar and prominent Mormon science-fiction writer Orson Scott Card have been debating whether Mormons can be considered Christians.
    During the course of the debate, Card focused on whether Mormons are moral people, good citizens and why Mormon presidential candidate Mitt Romney should be supported by evangelicals. He emphasized that Mormons share many of the same values as evangelical Christians and believe Jesus Christ is the only path to salvation.
    However, Mohler noted that whether a Mormon has similar moral values to evangelical Christians is beside the point because Beliefnet.com had asked whether Mormons can be considered Christians based on traditional Christian orthodoxy.
    “It appears that we are not really discussing the same question,” noted Mohler in his latest blog response.
    “The debate has never been about whether Mormons are good Americans or would make good neighbors,” he wrote.
    “I dare say that most American Evangelicals and traditional Roman Catholics would find more in common with Mormons in terms of child-rearing, sexual morality, the protection of marriage and family, and a host of other issues, than they would with liberal Catholics or liberal Protestants,” acknowledged Mohler.
    But Mormonism from its beginning has rejected traditional Christian orthodoxy, which is part of the core Mormon identity, pointed out the highly-respected theologian. The subtitle of The Book of Mormon is “Another Testament of Jesus Christ.”
    “A ‘testament,’ that is, other than that accepted by the historic Christian churches,” Mohler highlighted.
    Mohler – who is often seen on “Larry King Live” and other popular news show representing the Christian voice – concluded that Mormonism is not just another form of Christianity and is incompatible with “traditional Christian orthodoxy.””

    http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/accuracy-of-polls-a-question-in-itself/#comment-1333

    thenonconformer

    October 29, 2008 at 11:00 pm


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