All posts for the month September, 2008

Relgion.. Finding out the facts, discovering the truth

Are any of you, Pastors, elders, now claiming to be a better teacher, guide than the Holy Spirit himself?

(John 4:23 KJV) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

(John 4:24 KJV) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Many people claim to be willing to help you. too often with questionable motives too,   but basically in reality you still have to do it for yourself, you have to discover the truth yourself, it takes real work, being lazy will often lead you to misdirection’s, even into cults, and many have now as well. Sincerity itself is not any kind of protection against being duped, deceived.

The Bible itself warns us Beware of men, next Cursed be he or she that puts their trust in any man.. The Church, the Assembly itself does not save you, Jesus alone does.

(2 Cor 11:14 KJV) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

(2 Cor 11:15 KJV) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

(Mat 7:13 KJV) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

(2 Tim 2:15 KJV) Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You do not need any others, for you have all the tools you need.. you have at your disposal the Bible, and prayer.. just pray and ask the Holy Sprit himself to guide and lead you into all truth as you read the Bible.. it is as simple as that.

Too many false persons try to define God solely based on their own limited personal experiences, knowledge, and if it did not happen to them it cannot happen to anyone else…

and too many even lie and say they are experts on something they admit they have never even experienced now too… such as healings, gifts of the Spirit… they are mere pretenders rather too often still.

I also came to the conclusion that the King James Bible is the best version available in the English language today for Bible study, easy reference too. The Bible publishing world is presently involved in a high stakes monetary race to come out with, so called, “newer and better” versions of the English Bible. And, what is their motive? There are countless versions of the English Bible on store shelves today. Is the English language changing so fast that we need a newer translation than the one that came out last month or last year? I think not. They seem to like to push a different doctrine, and have just as many errors next it seems as they one they had originally claimed to try to correct.

I also do believe that God inspired the original writings of the Bible, which are called the autographa. There are many verses that teach this. Here are two key verses that I want you to see.

The more important Question is, do you and I really believe it is the word of God or are you looking for another Bible translation to justify some of your immoral acts, and/or wrong beliefs still too?

Follow after God alone . God speaks too .

The word of God is living and active, it penetrates even to the dividing of soul and spirit.., it judges the thoughts and intents of the heart. Heb 4:12

it does not need a man written books about 200 years ago to speak for it too..

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. John 10:27

Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. Mat4:4 (There is no life without hearing words from the mouth of God.)

(Luke 10:21 KJV) In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

(John 4:23 KJV) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

(John 4:24 KJV) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

(John 13:21 KJV) When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

As a pastor myself I can for sure also say that only 70 percent of the evangelical pastors are crooked, sex maniacs, adulterous, liars, thieves, gossipers, slanderers, counsel divorce, commit tax evasions too so anyone looking for a good pastor is like looking for a needle in a haystack. I prefer to talk to Jesus directly thus.

Finding a decent, viable, non cultural, non heretical, non sectarian, non polluted Church these days is also too often also hard. Mind you you have to keep on looking for it. Many claim they are good, like they lip service God they love him too, with mere words.

(2 Chr 16:9 KJV) For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him

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(Prov 16:5 KJV) Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
(Prov 23:7 KJV) For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

(Isa 51:7 KJV) Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

(Jer 17:9 KJV) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

(Mat 13:15 KJV) For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

(Mat 15:8 KJV) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Persons who want to uplift their denominations, leaders, mere men, exalt themselves are still false..

(Acts 8:21 KJV) Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

These days Finding a qualified shepherd is hard.. I have yet to find a really good one in the last 5 decades.. I have rightfully fired many of them for lying, slandering, adultery though already.. even helped to close one big really bad church, the Calgary Christian Center.. http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST

But we have to listen for the voice of the Holy Spirit, the Word of God, to hear. Where is the basic Problem in doing so now? In seeking God directly? for I too after sitting under the mostly bad evangelical pastors, hirelings, for 3 decades, the next 3 decades I had seen that almost all of of my beliefs were false, unbiblical, the mere teachings of man, unsubstantiated by the Bible itself.

2 Peter 1:20-21 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation (that is, they did not originate with man). 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

But, there is also the matter of verbal preservation of the apographa (copies of the originals). I believe that God has preserved His Words in the copies of those original writings in the Hebrew Masoretic Text of the Old Testament and the Traditional Text (Textus Receptus) of the New Testament.

Divine Revelation plus Divine Inspiration plus Divine Preservation equals the Divine Bible. The Divine Revelation, put into writing the verbally Infallible Scriptures through Divine Inspiration, must have Divine Preservation in order to be available to all generations. . Psalm 12:6-7 KJV reads: The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Rom 11:17). “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him” (Heb 11:6). Do not trust in the weak words of fallible men; but in the very powerful and ever perfect words of the Holy Scriptures, infallible and inerrant, 100% inspired and 100% preserved by its almighty Author—the Lord Jesus Christ—who is “the same yesterday, today and for ever” (Heb 13:8). We have an immutable God who has given to us an indestructible Word.

Psalms 33:11 “The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.”

In conformity to God’s purpose, promise, and command, faithful and accurate copies were made (Deuteronomy 17:18; Proverbs 25:1) and, through God’s special providential care, His Word has been preserved in all generations (Psalm 119:152; Matthew 5:18; 24:35; Luke 16:17; 1 Peter 1:25).

There are four passages which teach the preservation of the Bible. In the first passage, Isaiah wrote, “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever” (Isaiah 40:8). In the second passage, the Psalmist wrote, “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever” (Psalms 12:6-7). In the third passage, Peter wrote, “But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you” (1st Peter 1:25). In the fourth passage, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away” (Matthew 24:35). The Bible teaches clearly the preservation of the Scriptures.

“For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.” “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” “And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.” “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”

I too do have FAITH that the God who inspired the original autographs can and did preserve the apographs so that we can say, “Thus saith the Lord; This IS the Word of God” when we hold up our King James Bibles.

Now once again faith even comes mainly by hearing the word of God… not mere man’s words.. God uses his words in the Bible to speak to you by His Holy Spirit as well.. let him.. read the Bible daily prayerfully.

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by thenonconformer on September 30, 2008 • Permalink

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Posted by thenonconformer on September 30, 2008

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Divisive Re: Dispensationalist , Plymouth Brethren

Sent: Subject: Re: Dispensationalist , Plymouth Brethren
Sola Scriptura; Solus Christus; Sola Gratia. Sola Fide; Soli Deo Gloria!

Over 3 decades ago I wrote to John F Walwood, to which he had also replied and I said he was a liar for the Bible did not support his dispensational false teaching, and to this date I have been fully right, Today to him and his similar supporters, the Plymouth Dispensational Brethren I do still rightfully say the same thing too. They are still liars.

>>;Most of what you wrote concerning the teachings of those you refer to as “Plymouth Brethren” is just not true.
Most? of what I wrote , all I wrote is true.

>> I will first dispel your falsehood that we are hiding from what we really are and teach by writing this letter. I, we are not hiding anything. Below is a detailed description of what I, we teach and by grace seek to practice. Show me the “false views on sins, accountability, grace, Israel and much more.”
>>As to the scriptural idea of dispensations, the apostle Paul believed in dispensations. “That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:” Ephesians 1:10

here you quickly had proved your own deceit, you took one isolated verse, and made it a plural even

>>What does scripture teach? Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? (1 Cor. 1: 10-13)

and yet the brethren cause, practice, and have divisions amongst themselves from the start even.. one of the first being Rev George Muellar

>> The truth of Scripture is this. All true believers are all of Christ. We declare it strongly and clearly, WE ARE ALL OF CHRIST, THAT IS, ALL WHO ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN! ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE OF CHRIST AND SHOULD BE GATHERED IN NO OTHER NAME BUT CHRIST’S NAME.

you are not true believers for you do not believe what the Bible, holy spirit says rather you reinterpret it to your liking,

>>So in accordance with scripture we only call ourselves by such names as are common to all true believers in Christ. Such as Christians, brethren, saints, believers and other such like names. There is never an excuse not to obey the word of God. We can and ought to obey, even if no one else will. We owe it to the One who redeemed us. What saith the Scriptures. For where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them. (Mat. 18:20) True Christians only have authority to be gathered together in one name. That name is the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and that name alone. This is authentic, primitive, as in original Christianity. This was the practice of the first century church.

There are Much too many typical Plymouth Dispensational Brethren and whether they are open or closed Brethren that are deceitful .. they are also those persons who do do still falsely and too often substitute next their own men ‘s teaching for the Christ’s, and while the Bible opposes divorce for Christian persons, the Plymouth Brethren undeniably even encourage divorce of any spouse Christian or not who does not heed to the full brethren doctrines, the wife does not need to listen to her husband in anything even if the husband who was to be the head of the home .

The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren undeniably as I too have witnessed do go behind the husbands back and will even encourage the wife to divorce her husband cause he is not a true Plymouth Dispensational Brethren contrary to the Bible.

(1 Cor 11:3 KJV) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Cor 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
1 Cor 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1 Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren tend to be WASP. white, Anglo Saxon, protestants still too, and the Plymouth Dispensational Brethren say that “We teach that all who place their faith and trust in Jesus Christ are immediately placed by the Holy Spirit into one united spiritual body, the church” is a lie for too many many real Christians are immediately rejected, shut out of the brethren church , excluded for not being dispensationalist. The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren also undeniable practice personal character assassination, slander, human rights abuse when they often do openly make a claim that anyone, any Christian who is a Pentecostal is an emotional, mentally disturbed individual as I have often witnessed myself as well.. The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren false views on sins, accountability, grace, Israel and much more too is an undeniable fact even if they lie and try falsely to say it is Authentic Christianity, or the Good News, the Gospel, that for sure it is not! Plymouth Dispensational Brethren it seems they like to hide from what they really are and teach.”While they the Plymouth Dispensational Brethren too often hide who they are by making the statement they are Christians, they certainly are not true Christians and for century have not been accepted by the major Christian churches.The Plymouth Dispensational Brethren to me rightfully are the wolves in sheep clothing, the false brethren who crept in amongst us falsely saying they are Christians.. they are a new group at it too.. since they started only in the 1800.. It would be rather generally accurate to say that they are racists, sectarian, divisional, hate mongers, anti Pentecostals, liars and slanders too.. and anyone does not heed to dispensational teach is evil, Ch Spurgeoen, Rev George Muellar, me included ehh “

There are too many false Christian brethren in the Plymouth Dispensational Brethren even falsely like to lump as one, wolves in sheep clothing, persons like Judas the apostle was false

What does scripture teach? Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? (1 Cor. 1: 10-13)

and yet the brethren themselves do often cause, practice, and have divisions amongst themselves from the start even.. one of the first being the dispensational brethren Rev George Muellar rejected many of their teachings.

So the same Jesus will say to them I never knew you (Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, that the day of Christ is at hand.” — 2 Thess. 2:1,2.Apostle Peter tells us in his second letter (1.16,19-2.3): For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty …. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place …. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you ….(1 Tim 1:7 KJV) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.(Heb 5:12 KJV) For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

>>When someone asks me who we are and how we describe ourselves, I tell them we are simply nothing more and nothing less than Christians gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And we do so on the basis, ground and principal that there is only one body of Christ and that all true Christians are of Christ and are part of the one body.

In reality 70 percent of people professing to be Christians are really not even born again, saved, they are still not even Christians, no they are not all Christians in a church like you lie. There are too many false brethren in this bunch of Christians you falsely like to lump as one, wolves in sheep clothing, like Judas the apostle

>>;Over the years outsiders and historians have called us by names not of our choosing, but we have not and do not lay claim to any of them. The “No Name Church”, “PB Church”, “PBer’s”, “The Brethren Church”, “Darbyites” and such like. The history books often refer to us as Plymouth Brethren or those who started the Plymouth Brethren movement. This Plymouth Brethren label came to be used in the early 1800s because an assembly of Christians gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in Plymouth England had a number of gifted preachers that traveled and preached throughout the country and because they were from the town of Plymouth, people would often refer to them as one of those brethren from Plymouth. Thus the label or designation Plymouth Brethren. It would be generally accurate to say that we are evangelical, dispensational, conservative and orthodox as to doctrine and practice.

It would be rather generally accurate for me again to say that you mostly are still false, liars, slanderers, sectarian, divisional, hate mongers, anti Pentecostals, liars and slanders too

>>We teach that the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith and practice (Matt. 5:18; 24:35; John 10:35; 16:12, 13; 17:17; 1 Cor. 2:13; 2 Tim. 3:15-17; Heb. 4:12; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21) We teach that the Bible is God’s written revelation to man, and that the 66 books of the Bible given to us by the Holy Spirit constitute the inspired Word of God (1 Cor. 2:7-14; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21). We teach that the Word of God is verbally inspired in every word (2 Tim. 3:16), absolutely inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. We teach the literal, grammatical-historical-contextual-dispensational interpretation of Scripture. We teach that God spoke in His written Word by a process of divine and human authorship. The Holy Spirit so superintended the human authors that, through their individual personalities and different styles of writing, they composed and recorded God’s Word to man (2 Pet. 1:20, 21) without error in the whole or in the part (Matt. 5:18; 2 Tim. 3:16). We teach that, whereas there may be several applications of any given passage of Scripture, there is but one true interpretation.

ha ha ha the Brethren one of course..

>>The meaning of Scripture is to be found as one diligently applies the literal, grammatical-historical-contextual-dispensational method of interpretation under the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit (John 7:17; 16:12-15; 1 Cor. 2:7-15; 1 John 2:20). The Scripture is its own best interpreter by comparing Scripture with Scripture. (1 Cor. 2:13) It is the responsibility of all believers to carefully search out the true intent and meaning of Scripture and that the Scriptures stand in judgment of men; never ought men stand in judgment of it. (Heb. 4:12,13)

that is mere hypocrisy, for mind you the brethren insist you read their soley their recommended commentaries.. and follow only their teachers

>>We teach that the Holy Spirit administers spiritual gifts to the church.

but you also add to the word of God and lying say all his gifts have now ceased

>>All men are thus sinners by nature, by choice, and by divine declaration (Psa. 14:1-3; Jer. 17:9; Rom. 3:9-18, 23; 5:10-12)

Including most of the brethren now still too

>>kept by God’s power and are thus secure in Christ forever

which is contrary to the Bible https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/the-promises-of-eternal-life-by-jesus-christ/

>>We teach that the local assembly is autonomous and free from any central authority or control other than Christ who is the head of the Church.

the control is mostly still by your bad elders.. and you do still falsely and too often substitute next men ‘s teaching for the Christ’s.

>>We teach that there were two kinds of gifts given to the early church: miraculous gifts of divine revelation and healing, given temporarily in the apostolic era for the purpose of confirming the authenticity of the apostles’ message ( 2 Cor. 12:12; Heb. 2:3, 4); and ministering gifts, given to equip believers for edifying one another. With the New Testament revelation now complete, Scripture becomes the sole test of the authenticity of a man’s message, and confirming gifts of a miraculous nature are no longer necessary to validate a man or his message (1 Cor. 13:8-12). Miraculous gifts can even be counterfeited by Satan so as to deceive even believers (Matt. 24:24). The only gifts in operation today are those non-revelatory equipping gifts given for edification (Rom. 12:6-8). We teach that no one possesses the sign gift of healing today but that God does hear and answer the prayer of faith and will answer in accordance with His own perfect will for the sick, suffering, and afflicted (Luke 18:1-8; John 5:7-9; 2 Cor. 12:6-10; James 5:13-16; 1 John 5:14, 15).

That is all brethren dunk only.. not the word of God for my experience in the baptism of the Holy Sprit is real and so are my speaking, praying in tongues , something you cannot talk about cause you have never firstly personal experienced it

Like I said read all of my post they disprove all you believe in and often

ses also

http://monergist.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/95-theses-against-dispensationalism/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/how-to-pray-for-healing/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/dispensationalist-plymouth-brethren/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/

https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-false-dispensationalists-dispensationalism/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/zionism-zionists/

https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-2-promised-returns/

Mind you the brethren have to next attack me with personal slander

>>Your biterness betrays you

they you do not know me well enough to be a false judge of me..

Again now do read all my posts.. telling the truth about the Brethren is not bitterness, but my real honesty for even a doctor tells negative truths.

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/lies-slander-personal-defamation-on-the-net-be-warned/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/relgion-finding-out-the-facts-discovering-the-truth/

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by thenonconformer on September 29, 2008 • Permalink

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Posted by thenonconformer on September 29, 2008

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Even when you have lost it all now

Even when you have lost it all now it is still not the end of your life.. or of God’s goodness.

(Eccl 7:20 KJV) For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

When you have absolutely nothing, and you have lost it all, everything you had, your friends, money, job, family, health and you in desperation do now again maybe cry out to God how does he respond next? maybe you won’t know the answer until you walk in these shoes yourself?? God is always more important, to be put first over anything on earth, Trust him full and he will also look after you fully, and meet all of your needs too..

Now I have been there now a few times and God next responds the same way.. “I will never leave you or forsake you, I will always be there holding your hand”..

(2 Cor 1:3 KJV) Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

(Eph 1:17 KJV) That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

(Heb 13:8 KJV) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

(2 John 1:3 KJV) Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

and why does God now he God respond in this manner of reminding you firstly of his presence ?

God reminds us of his continual presence and nothing takes God by surprise, nothing can prevail against God , (John 21:24 KJV) This is the disciple which testified of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

(Rom 8:28 KJV) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

(1 John 5:19 KJV) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

(1 John 5:20 KJV) And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

We need to refocus on God always..

(Exo 33:14 KJV) And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.

(Jer 5:22 KJV) Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?

(Jer 23:39 KJV) Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence:

(Ezek 38:20 KJV) So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

(Phil 2:12 KJV) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Face Life with a positive attitude

(Phil 3:1 KJV) Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.

(Phil 4:4 KJV) Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.

Faith in God is essential and brings rewards too..

(Gal 3:5 KJV) He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
(Acts 20:21 KJV) Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:.. But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. – 1Peter 4:12, 13
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf… Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. – 1 Peter 4:16,19
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. -Revelation 21:4
The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. – Psalms 34:17,18
Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand. – Psalms 37:24
Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth. Thou shalt increase my greatness, and comfort me on every side. – Psalms 71:20,21
This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me. – Psalms 119:50
Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me: thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me. – Psalms 138:7
For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall. – Isaiah 25:4
Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness. – Isaiah 41:10
When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the LORD will hear them, I the God of Israel will not forsake them. – Isaiah 41:17
For the Lord will not cast off for ever: But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies. For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men. – Lamentations 3:31-33
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: – Philippians 1:6
And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee. – Psalms 9:10
In the day of my trouble I will call upon thee: for thou wilt answer me. – Psalms 86:7
He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds. – Psalms 147:3

What initially ALSO appeared as the most tragic demonic events in my own life next, they had turned out to be the most blessed event, even prolonging my life.

Imagine that I as an adult in Calgary Alberta was firstly fired from my job because I had refused to cheat, lie, steal on behalf of my firm. Next my sadly unfaithful wife filed for divorce, and she even stole my personal belongings and my 3 children too, even our house next went into foreclosure and was taken over by the bank, so what can happen worse than that?
Well next the pastor of the local church tried to kick me out of the local church cause I could not longer give to him, and he for sure falsely was not willing to give in return.. What next?

Well for 2 years the lying, pretending local bad doctors, hospital could find anything wrong with me too.. even though I knew for sure there was something wrong with me..

So I next moved back to my home town, Montreal to another province, Quebec.

Shortly the doctors there confirmed the fact that I need quintuplet heart by pass surgery, and they also next installed a pacer, and a defliberator as well.. thus prolonging my life much longer than had I strayed in Calgary Alberta.

You see I was working and living in Calgary Alberta in 1982 and for 2 years I had gone to various doctors, I had undergone various medical tests and the doctors said they could find nothing wrong with me specifically, rather it appears they must have known the truth but refused to do anything, for the Alberta government has a policy that they give medical services priority mainly to people born in Alberta. Had my wife not filed for divorce for sure I would have had been dead next there, and when she filed for divorce, we lost our home as the lawyers had seized it for their future payments, so next I had no choice but to eventually go back to Montreal to firstly get medical help cause I was in continually stomach pains. By the blood pressure alone the doctor should have know how seriously I was sick, 165/145.. my wife being a nurse she knew right away.. God even told me I was seriously ill.. and he had refused to allow me to work hard.

When I got to Montréal and visited the McGill Hospital, the doctors here said I was ok originally, amused me and put me into a bed for 4 weeks and conducted no medical tests at all.. next finally they decided to discharge me, but someone had to sign off on me and they decided to do one test, the echo gram, the technician doing the test next she start to cry, and I asked her why she was crying, she replied that I was too young to have such a serious heart problem, 1/3 of my heart was dead. The next day the doctor said the McGill Hospital came and told me that there was nothing they could do for me, I would have to go home and get ready to die. But right then at the same time I heard Jesus say “do not worry Paul, it will all turn out all right”.. so next day the 2 doctors came back and and said they will give me a heart surgery tomorrow, a quintuplet heart by pass. After the heart surgery I was totally normal for 2 weeks but then it seemed to have been inadequate.. the surgery was only partially successful. I was able to walk but I had difficulties in any serious exercise, physical activity. God told me next he took my wife away cause it was her bad cooking that was killing me, something the dieticians confirmed next too. He God had now freed me to work on the internet, I have been on the internet actually since computers had first started in the 80’s both as a political lobbyist on behalf of all Canadians, as a Christian pastor promoting God’s truth.

I had now also wanted to return to Alberta, because I loved the weather and scenery there, so as I prayed as to why I could not go back there. God told me I he had provided everything I needed in the city of LaSalle Montreal where I was I was even for my medical care. I shortly had a vision. It was a view of Montreal from above, but on the south side of the Montréal, across the river instead was a huge European looking city. I was told I could not cross the south river, and I saw from the air above the Montreal General Hospital and I was told I would have to go there next. That week my main doctor called and said I would have to go to the hospital to have a defliberator installed for I have a tendency to die in my sleep. So they implanted the medical device and next it significantly improved my breathing.

I was now also basically limited to biking, since walking any long distance was too difficult for me but eventually next even Biking that was too hard for me, I could not make it up the hill. So in desperation I prayed and told God that. Just after I had prayed the phone rang and a fellow said he had acquired an electric bike he would like to sell me. I bought it, and it really solved my biking need. I loved it. I could travel at 30 mph and do about 60 miles before I recharge it, bout 2 a week.

Meanwhile I continue on the net daily for hours, generally my mornings at least, writing my messages, replying to letters. I have been happy, fulfilled with God the last 15 years too. I have been very visibly active on the net as a Christian, even daily writing Bible devotionals to many pastors, college students too. Gladly here doing the work of the Lord. Although I liked being a pastor of a home church better in Calgary, I loved the daily home , hospital and political visitations too. So as you see there are no complaints here. God let me serve him more next instead of having me die. God had said to me also he had let me live cause I had served him..

Is 61:1 THE SPIRIT of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed {and} qualified me to preach the Gospel {of} good tidings to the meek, the poor, {and} afflicted; He has sent me to bind up {and} heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the [physical and spiritual] captives and the opening of the prison {and} of the eyes to those who are bound, Is 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord [the year of His favor] and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, Is 61:3 To grant [consolation and joy] to those who mourn in Zion–to give them an ornament (a garland or diadem) of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning, the garment [expressive] of praise instead of a heavy, burdened, {and} failing spirit–that they may be called oaks of righteousness [lofty, strong, and magnificent, distinguished for uprightness, justice, and right standing with God], the planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified. Is 61:4 And they shall rebuild the ancient ruins; they shall raise up the former desolations and renew the ruined cities, the devastations of many generations.

Is 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul will exult in my God; for He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself with a garland, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels. Is 61:11 For as [surely as] the earth brings forth its shoots, and as a garden causes what is sown in it to spring forth, so [surely] the Lord God will cause rightness {and} justice and praise to spring forth before all the nations [through the self-fulfilling power of His word].

Is 62:11 Behold, the Lord has proclaimed to the end of the earth: Say to the Daughter of Zion, Behold, your salvation comes [in the person of the Lord]; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work {and} recompense before Him. Is 62:12 And they shall call them the Holy People, the Redeemed of the Lord; and you shall be called Sought Out, a City Not Forsaken.

God through Jesus Christ has promised to deliver us from all of sickness, sadness, sorrows, troubles even today, and we can stand on many such promises in his Word, the Bible. There is no pit that you fall into that is so deep that Jesus now next cannot still help you out off.

for 25 years since I lost it all God still looks after me

(Jer 17:5 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. 7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

The third worse thing supposedly that happened to me initially was finding out I was going blind cause I had diabetes turned out to be another blessing.. a more stringent food diet, plus the diabetes medicine itself led to my health, heart problems improving next instead.. 30 percent of persons who take the diabetes pill, medicine find out it strengthens, helps their heart also.. and here I was expecting the worse when God made it next a blessing too. My eyesight came back to normal too

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by thenonconformer on September 28, 2008 • Permalink

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The Promises OF Eternal Life by Jesus Christ

The New Testament Promises OF Eternal Life and Eternal Security made by Jesus Christ , also made now by the Apostles are they the Same Thing Now? and who says so?

(Mat 19:27 KJV) Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. 30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

(Luke 10:25 KJV) And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

(Luke 18:18 KJV) And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

(John 3:15 KJV) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

(John 5:39 KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

(John 6:54 KJV) Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

(John 6:68 KJV) Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

(John 17:2 KJV) As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

(Acts 13:48 KJV) And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

(Rom 2:7 KJV) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

(Rom 5:21 KJV) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

(Rom 6:23 KJV) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

(1 Tim 6:12 KJV) Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

(1 Tim 6:19 KJV) Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

(John 10:28 KJV) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

(Titus 1:2 KJV) In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

(Titus 3:7 KJV) That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

(1 John 1:2 KJV) (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

(1 John 2:25 KJV) And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

(1 John 3:15 KJV) Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

(1 John 5:11 KJV) And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

(1 John 5:13 KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

(Jude 1:21 KJV) Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

There seems to be a classical ongoing disagreement between the Fundamentals and others on this topic too, while the dispensationalist falsely do seem to advocate that one personally can continue to deliberately sin and next not lose one’s eternal salvation , others do now point out that by doing so, one is using his free will to personally reject eternal life. No man can take them out of God’s hand but only they themselves can still..

(1 Cor 9:27 KJV) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

(John 8:51 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Note the word IF.. all personal contracts require the continual, ongoing consent, agreement, compliances of both parties otherwise it is a false breach of contract.. and so why have some groups falsely now left out the word IF?

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out. John 6:37 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:29 (Mat 22:14 KJV) For many are called, but few are chosen.

Are you going or going?

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. John 10:27-29.

The term “snatch” means to take by force. This promise guarantees that the devil cannot remove the believer (present tense) from the hand of God. This safety is only from forces outside the believer and God Himself. A backslider removes himself from the promises of safety and security. He is not removed against his own will.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:35-39

First, these verses do not say, “Who shall separate us from the salvation of God?” Secondly, nowhere in these verses is Paul saying that sin cannot separate the one who rebels against the true and holy God.

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. Philippians 1:6

Please take note that the Scriptures never state this kind of confidence is now for any those who are lukewarm, to be spued out out his mouth, or the continually “sinning saints.”

Who are kept by the power of God through faith . . . I Peter 1:5

Notice the condition to this security. It is through faith. Sin is not faith. It is unbelief, or anti-faith. As long as believers are constantly abiding in the faith, the power of God keeps them. Since they have their faith in Jesus Christ, they have the security that is promised. If eternal security were true, why is it never stated once in the Bible as that.

And this is the Father’s will who hath sent me, that all of which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again on the last day. John 6:39

Many confuse God’s will with God’s decree. It is still also God’s main will that none should perish, and that all would come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). It is still the Father’s will (desire) that Jesus should not “lose” any, but this is the ideal, and not any proof of the inability of falling away. For in John 17:12 Jesus said, “those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost except the son of perdition,” direct proof that in spite of the desire of God that “none shall be lost,” there was at least one of the chosen twelve that was! The will of God never violates the free will he has given us to exercise!

Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.The Scriptures also still do tell us to “Be faithful until death and I will give you a crown of life.” (Rev. 3:5,21). The Lord preserves the faithful (Psalms 31:23), not the unfaithful. This is the true perseverance of the Saints!

THE DEVIL’S REBUTTAL, THE DAMNABLE LIE TOO. Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (GENESIS 3: 4)

Satan’s ONGOING heresy that “You shall not surely die,” when rightfully expanded, claims that we ALL NOW are already immortal, so no death has a real hold over us. This idea, proposed at the very beginning, has thrived throughout history and has crept into Dispensationalism again too.

Eternal security, a concept generally described as “once saved, always saved,” is the notion that, once one accepts Jesus Christ as Savior, their eternal salvation is next assured. This contract agreement between the two parties God and the persons now is true only if it is understood as now in addition also having two major conditions attached.
1: those who accept Christ’s blood for the remission of sins remain faithful next in their full commitment to Him. This faithfulness is defined per loyalty to conditions, terms, persons, or agreements. Their faith that saves them is a real, living faith, meaning it is active, dynamic. A faith with Living faith works and produces real life changes within the person having it. This gives rise to the second condition for this contract to be true:
2″ Those who accept Christ as Savior. Lord now must be continually growing, changing, and overcoming. The defined, contract, and related terms without adherence to all of these conditions makes one’s salvation into nothing more than the vain acceptance or mental agreement with the proposition that Jesus is Savior. The devil believes this also so what?

(James 2:20 KJV) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

(James 2:21 KJV) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

(James 2:22 KJV) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

(James 2:23 KJV) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

(James 2:24 KJV) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

(James 2:25 KJV) Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

(James 2:26 KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

WHO DOES NOT HAVE ETERNAL SECURITY?

(1) Those who profess but do not repent (Lk. 3:7-14; Acts 26:20). (2) Those who have mere intellectual assent (Jn. 2:23-25; Jam 2:17-20). (3) Those who have self-willed faith, only believing what they want to believe rather than the testimony of the Scriptures (Jn. 6:60-66).

Read the Bible for yourself and find out the truth, stop relying on the too often lies, interpretations of mere men,

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by thenonconformer on September 27, 2008 • Permalink

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– are the Palin children missing school during travel.. of course, but they will make up for it..

-what does it mean when God calls you? Generally it means God has clearly , specially ordained now you to be an Apostle- Missionary, Prophet, – elders, teacher- pastors evangelist, etc.,
-Is Canada’s prime Minister Steven Harper a pretender professing Christian or a real one? unlikely he is a real Christian.
-what does it mean to hateth one’s life? means to be God centered verses self centered
-what does it mean to follow Christ? it means to daily let the voice of the holy spirit lead you in your life.
-and those with Jesus Christ now are they also called chosen ? yes, they have been chosen before the foundations of the world to be with him in heaven..
-am in need of a born again mentor to stay a Christian? no! you need the read the bible, pray and to let the Holy sprit Guide you
-what does glory mean in the bible mean ? the honor of God

– what functions do elders play in a church? depends on what church now. in some churches they supervise the pastor in others they are falsely slave of the pastor
– what about the the Bible reference to to the laying on of hands.. impartation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is it valid for today.. of course.. Jesus has not changed..
– is a head deacon Biblical? not really, it is men’s preferences to have a head.. Christ is the sole necessary head..

– was the FGBMFI exposed for corruptions, falsehoods? sounds more like one sided prorpganda

– are there a unchristian pastor and what to do about it? Pray for them and fire them..

– Does Jesus give to non Christians, hears their prayers too? he is not obligated to do so..

– what about LDS Mormon and their supposed authority structure is it true or false? yes the whole system is false
– are some persons now also overly hypocritical,” “insensitive,” and “judgmental”, of course.

– Can a Christian marry a non christian.. no! and you should Marry the person God has chosen for you.

-a Christian point what true religion really means, is? practicing Christianity
-what does disciple means “KJV”? a True Christian
-divorce rate amongst Pentecostals, Christians? 30 percent and it is all unacceptable

– is Stephen Harper and his church now evangelical Pentecostals? No.. they are watered down supposed Christians
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– what about the Calgary Christian centre? It had bad pastors, is closed now
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While there is not one person on earth that does not fall short of the glory of God, not one of us measure up in the sight of God.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)

The very first verse in the Bible tells us that God created the heaven and the earth.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

The first three verses in the Gospel of John tell us that the Word made ALL things, including heaven and earth.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (John 1:14-17)

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; (Isaiah 44:24)

Jesus Christ is the creator, the sole eternal God, the Father, the Word, the Son and

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:10-14)

When the Lord Jesus Christ began his ministry he was rejected by the majority of the Jewish people, and that is what “his own received him not” is speaking about. But the scriptures also tell us that as many who DID receive him (Jesus), received the power to become the sons (children) of God. So once again we see that the determining factor as to what makes a person a “child of God,” is what that same person does with Jesus Christ.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

Those words still stand true today. There is no other way to heaven, and there is no other name outside the name of Jesus Christ to be saved.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (Romans 5:8-9)

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:23-24)

Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:10-12)

And you hath he quickened (made ALIVE), who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. (Ephesians 2:1-3)

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23)

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

While there is not one person on earth that does not fall short of the glory of God, not one of us measure up in the sight of God.

Any person who dies without Jesus Christ will die in their sins,

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Proverbs 1:7)

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. (Proverbs 8:13)

In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge. (Proverbs 14:26)

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:27-28)

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. (John 8:42-47)

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (1 John 5:9-12)

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. (Mark 1:15)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:15-16)

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Gentile). (Romans 1:16)

For a lot of people their too often false version of mere Christianity seems to consists of Having a blog with the word Christian and their name on it, or going to church 3 times a years and for others it is going Sunday morning.. but not to any of the prayer meetings, or the Sunday night services.. and that is all it is it seems.. then others seem to wonder why these people have gone astray are so much in error now too.

But my own version of Christianity is significantly deeper, and broader as well.

Firstly I accepted the personally need to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and personal savior from all of our sins as well nut I also believe in the need of Sanctification, the Baptism of the Holy spirit where one next is equipped for God’s service, God will and plan for their life, including charismatic’s gifts now too.

I also do believe in the need of all Christians to have daily devotionals, Bible and prayer time with God preferably both morning and evenings, starting and ending the day with God, and where God can personally speak to us, teach, direct us some more. Just as I believe in daily repentances, confesions to God the admission of our sins now too

I belief when the bible says the just shall live by faith now that includes each and every person, they are to trust God to supply their needs, wants, desires, to live their life based on God words, his instructions to them, not based on falsely following after other men or women, or one’ supposed personal inclination, supposed talents.

I rightfully believe the same equal rights now of all persons, of all ages too, and in voluntarily, unenforceable, mutal submissions to any Christian persons, pastors, elders.. and I do not believe in any enslavements. hierarchy pecking order etc.,,

I also do believe in the personal need of appropriate evangelism, our being able to share, to explain , to teach to others the biblical the reasons for one’s Christian based faith, beliefs.

I belief also in the need of all Christians in both social actions and political action now too. We all do need to be really concerned, involved personally and as a church in helping the poor and needy people starting in our own church, neighborhood too. I clearly believe in guiding, directing, instructing the political leaders to make the right choices, decisions, laws now too and insuring that we elect the best persons available for the job, not necessity Christian ones even.

Having a good time, being self centered, selfish, acquiring all the material goods, pleasure one can have is certainly not what being a Christian now is all about too.

Yes I also believe that Christians can only marry another really Christians and that Christians cannot divorce, while they temporarily can get a separation, for proper Biblical counseling mostly.

I rightfully and clearly now still do not believe in having the wife as the boss, head of the home, her having all of the say, the sole run of all things now too.

I also do not believe in taking any ostrich approach when we personally eye unacceptable wrong doings towards ourselves and others, and I do believe in asking all of the bad persons to repent, to even next openly expose, rebuke them now even too for their wrong doings and repentances, even if they think they are somebody, a pastor , cop or politician , professional included.. God himself does not accept personal or human rights abuses, sins, unrepentances quitely.

Nor do I I automatically assume that all cops, lawyer’s judges are decent, honest, the real purveyors of justices too.

(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Jesus said by their own fruits you can tell what a tree is like for a good tree brings forth good fruit, and a bad tree bad fruit..

nope I did not say that Jesus now did.

So I have a right to be a fruit inspector and what must I think when I myself have seen see many bad fruits for a church, a denomination..

That Jesus will remove their candlestick too?

(Mat 18:17 KJV) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.

(Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

(Eph 5:24 KJV) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

(Eph 5:27 KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

(Rev 2:4 KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

(Rev 2:5 KJV) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

(Rev 3:1 KJV) And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

All Dispensationalists, Plymouth brethren. Messianic Jews who think they can accept Christ and still continue to even live in sin with no negative real personal consequences next too because they have intellectually now accepted who Jesus Christ is can go and lie to someone else for rightfully I am not stupid to believe anything they say .. for I have learned decades and decades ago that the dispensationalists, Plymouth Brethren , even many messianic Jews are deceitful.. While these Brethren even say they Believe the Bible is the Word of God, they too clearly do have this unholy, desperate and complicated need to reinterpret almost every passages of the Bible suitable to their own liking. “A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth” (Proverbs 14:6)

(Pro 2:10) When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;

(Pro 2:11) Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:

(Pro 2:12) To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;

(Pro 2:13) Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;

(Pro 2:14) Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;

(Pro 2:15) Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:

do see

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-spin-game-evangelicals-and-their-leaders-pastors-do-play-now/

http://monergist.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/95-theses-against-dispensationalism/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/how-to-pray-for-healing/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/

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The next sin to become falsey acceptable is..

For some reason, OFTEN ENCOURAGED TO DO SO BY THE FALSE PREACHERS, too many a professing Christian wrongfully still do think that God by grace will both overlook our ignorance , and sins.. even though there is no Bible verse to that effect.. God has already clearly now also said what a man sows, he will reap as a reward, both the good and the bad is included.. sow nothing and you will reap nothing… that applies to your home, marriage too..

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Giving in to the lust of the flesh is a sin, and thus that includes the unacceptable sins of divorce, homosexuality and polygamy..

I was surprised still as to how many times this topic of divorce, marriage now appears on other people’s searches.. yes, if you look hard enough you can eventually get the answer you want but not necessarily the right one.

FIRSTLY THE FAMILY, MARRIAGE & DIVORCE AND THE BIBLE TOO.

Without prior prayer to God and God’s help all one does will rather fail

The marriage, or the job, money, is not the priority, God firstly and his will is always still the priority
if two persons, husband and wife refuse to walk together with God, the marriage, their house will fall.. for a house divided cannot stand
the Husband is the sole head of the home.. and this is not an option, a pretense
if the wife abuses her husband God here on earth will punish her too in reality even with divorce and Christian or not
if the husband abuses his wife God will punish him here on earth and not hear his prayers
If the children disrespect their parents, they too will reap what they sow, God will, he punish them too.
(Isa 40:31 KJV) But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Yes I know that at least 30 percent of evangelical Christians, including now Pentecostal ones, practice divorce, adultery but that does not make it right still

and FOR SURE Coke, sex, adultery, divorce, Coca-Cola, wine, alcohol, beer or what ever they they are not the answer to having a happy life! Following after Jesus Christ alone is!
Why are so many people still obsessed with fantasy, romance, divorce, drugs, alcohol, even TV, movies, sex, pleasure, pornography.. for most of them personally it is an initial lazy, false escapism approach from the too often real negative aspects of life that we firstly all tend to have, particularly due to our own unrepentant sins and due to Satan’s buffeting, harassment of them.. the grass may appear greener in the neighbors yard cause you do not know what hardships they are facing now, the supposedly rich persons included. While God for his faithful few give them the grace to endure hardships and even to overcome them, we are all nevertheless bound to have trails and tribulations, hardships, all of us.. Instead of personally first learning how to use the Bible to oppose Satan, obtain peace in their own life, too many persons turn to the flesh.. The problem also with the common graphic misrepresentation of the pleasure of sex but the reality is that even the Gays, lesbians, adulterers tend to have even more negative consequences, oppressions in their life to force them into deeper bondage with Satan.. Jesus sets us free from all that.

(Gal 5:16 KJV) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

(Rom 7:5 KJV) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

(Gal 5:19 KJV) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

(Rom 8:1 KJV) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Mark 10:19 You know the commandments: Do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.
Mark 10:1 AND [Jesus] left there [Capernaum] and went to the region of Judea and beyond [east of] the Jordan; and crowds [constantly] gathered around Him again, and as was His custom, He began to teach them again.
Mark 10:2 And some Pharisees came up, and, in order to test Him {and} try to find a weakness in Him, asked, Is it lawful for a man to dismiss {and} repudiate {and} divorce his wife?
Mark 10:3 He answered them, What did Moses command you?
Mark 10:4 They replied, Moses allowed a man to write a bill of divorce and to put her away.
Mark 10:5 But Jesus said to them, Because of your hardness of heart [your condition of insensibility to the call of God] he wrote you this precept in your Law.
Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.
Mark 10:7 For this reason a man shall leave [behind] his father and his mother {and be} {joined to his wife and cleave closely to her permanently,}
Mark 10:8 And the two shall become one flesh, so that they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Mark 10:9 What therefore God has united (joined together), let not man separate {or} divide.
Mark 10:10 And indoors the disciples questioned Him again about this subject.
Mark 10:11 And He said to them, Whoever dismisses (repudiates and divorces) his wife and marries another commits adultery against her;
Mark 10:12 And if a woman dismisses (repudiates and divorces) her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.

Wrongfully too many even Christian Couples get more concerned about their standard of earthly living than the quality of their spiritual life. About having a good time over time spent with the Lord Jesus Christ. They neglect God, they in fact are having an affair with the world.. So next it naturally is not remarkable they will also commit marital affairs too. because they now next do get caught up in the supposedly stressful task of earning a living, getting ahead and do neglect God and each other. They now clearly do not have God’s provision, strength to handle life or their marriage.. They now also maybe are energized at work, but tired at home. The man supposedly is now too busy to give his wife the love she needs; or the wife neglects giving her husband and also the same the sexual attention he needs. The next thing they know , they both even fall into adulterous sexual temptation, and seem to have set each other up for an affair. 1 Corinthians 7:2-5. When the husband fails to give his wife the unique attention she needs and the wife fails to give her husband the unique attention he needs, they create a set of circumstances that gives the devil an opportunity to tempt them to go outside the marriage for what they should be providing for each other in the marriage. The solution firstly is getting back personally to God. Wounded marriages can be made whole but only if both off the spouses firstly get right with God. Too often that is not the case still.

Material and emotional neglect or even being abused by a spouse is not grounds for divorce, but any abuse it is ground for calling the police or martial separation.. material and emotional neglect is grounds for separation too.. unless you actually are the cause of it, the real instigator?
On clear Fools who think they can have a happy life, a happy marriage, can be doing their own thing, all without God too. Failure to daily read and to apply the Bible regularly as individuals and as couples seriously now leaves a point of spiritual vulnerability the devil can use to tear couples apart. Read the Bible together. In the population of people I counsel, I see less than 10 percent of the couples reading the Bible together. Failure to read the Bible regularly as individuals and as couples leaves a point of spiritual vulnerability the devil can use to tear couples apart. Pray together , do have a brief time of prayer together at the beginning of the day, end of the day, or both times—a prayer time WILL HELP YOU TO spiritually unite. Be always still loving, considerate, patient with, kind to each other. Learn to talk to each other, if you love someone you will talk to them.. Don’t try to force solutions to the problems per your demands, time, schedule even. But don’t deceive yourself into thinking problems you don’t deal with will go away. If you deny them and suppress them, they often will erode the foundation of your marriage and put distance between you. Be always verbally and physically affectionate with each other more than you are to theirs especially like your mother, father, brother and sister otherwise it will show how little you love them . . Don’t take each other for granted. Put each other before your children. God called you to be married before He called you to be a parent. Guard your conversation even from language that sends the wrong kind of message to your spouse.

Do not let the sun go done on your anger, hurts, learn how to deal with it, to resolve them. Forgiveness happens as an ongoing act of one’s will, committment. The guilty spouse must ask the offended spouse for forgiveness. The offended spouse must take the step of accepting the apology and granting forgiveness. And here if you do not forgive God will not forgive you next too. We all have many things we daily need God’s forgiveness for too.

Immediately after a forced separation this is a very dangerous time in the recovery process. Couples separated more than 3 days ate rarefy reconciled next, or healed. A lesson we learn from this is that the pleasure of an adulterous relationship, pleasure of self centeredness is never worth the price that next has to be paid for it!

Dream on if most of you falsely still think a new marriage may be better too.. rarely is it the case..

Now we should all know that adultery is a sin and one has to repent of it lest a worse thing next happens to them, like even more shame and more public humiliations even!!!

Clearly (Gal 6:7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

(Luke 12:3 KJV) Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

Luke 16:18 Whoever divorces (dismisses and repudiates) his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

“For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away…” -Malachi 2:16

“Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” -Matthew 19:6

Divorce and remarriages is always is a sin! Perhaps you may try to think that marriage is the “old fashioned” way. The first marriage is the “right and only way”

To divorce your spouse is always a sin, and you will also be responsible for their sinning if they remarry. But you can’t be held responsible for your spouse if they’re already committing the sin on their own.

According to some reliable sources, more married married women these days now have had an affair during the course of their marriage over the married men, Such acts on part of men or women are never acceptable. God still does makes people to pay a terrible price for destroying a home. Some few people fortunately do learn the terrible price adultery extracts from everyone involved and readily conclude that whatever pleasure may be involved is never worth the price: the loss of fellowship with the Lord; potential loss of spouse and children; and, embarrassment and humiliation among friends. King David was one of them. He David confessed his sins to God and God forgive him, but he still paid negative consequences as a result too.

Psalm 39:1 A Psalm of David. I said, I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me.
2 I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred.
3 My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue,
4 LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am.
5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
6 Surely every man walketh in a vain show: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them.
7 And now, Lord, what wait I for? my hope is in thee.
8 Deliver me from all my transgressions: make me not the reproach of the foolish.
9 I was dumb, I opened not my mouth; because thou didst it.
10 Remove thy stroke away from me: I am consumed by the blow of thine hand.
11 When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity, thou makest his beauty to consume away like a moth: surely every man is vanity. Selah.
12 Hear my prayer, O LORD, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a stranger with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were.
13 O spare me, that I may recover strength, before I go hence, and be no more.

If your spouse continues to commit adultery and is unrepentant, you next either divorce them or separate from them.. but you no longer live with them. Matthew 5:32, Jesus said, “But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.“

Mark 10:20 And he replied to Him, Teacher, I have carefully guarded {and} observed all these {and} taken care not to violate them from my boyhood. 21 And Jesus, looking upon him, loved him, and He said to him, You lack one thing; go and sell all you have and give [the money] to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come [and] accompany Me [walking the same road that I walk].

Mark 10:23 And Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, With what difficulty will those who possess wealth {and} keep on holding it enter the kingdom of God!
Great spiritual men who clearly had bad wives but still they were not a reflection on the husband personally!

(Mat 10:36 KJV) And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

It does not say might be, can be.. but it says will be..

(Micah 3:5 KJV) Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.

King David’s wife (2 Sam 6:12 KJV) And it was told king David, saying, The LORD hath blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertaineth unto him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness. 13 And it was so, that when they that bare the ark of the LORD had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatlings. 14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. 15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet. 16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul’s daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart. 17 And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD. 18 And as soon as David had made an end of offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts. 19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine. So all the people departed every one to his house. 20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself! 21 And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD. 22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. 23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

and Job’s wife too.. (Job 2:10 KJV) But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

and we condemnation of have Lot’s bad wife.. but there is no direct biblical condemnation now about Lot..
(Luke 17:32 KJV) Remember Lot’s wife. (Luke 17:33 KJV) Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. (Luke 17:34 KJV) I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

(Lev 21:7 KJV) They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.

A great prophet had even married and slept with a prostitute at God’s command..

(Hosea 1:2 KJV) The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.

Before you non hypocritically now try to change, correct, rebuke your spouse, you must first insure that you yourself now are also are right before God, that you have dealt with your owns sins, cause rightfully next all of your words will be hollow, not ring true, will be infective still.. reality!!! If there are changes to be made God is the one who will do it next too.

All Christians cannot Marry any Non Christians or get divorced or commit Polygamy.

Historically, biblically In the New Testament times, Bible there was also no practice of polygamy amongst any of the Christians or the apostles, church leaders.
Polygamy ALSO IS A SIN, is wrong because it necessarily involves adultery. That is why it and homosexuality is not specifically banned anywhere in the New testament Bible – because it is covered by the applicable old testament laws that deal with adultery and homosexuality .

If you have sex with someone other than your wife then it is adultery, and simply going through a ceremony, even if it is legally valid, cannot make that second woman into a wife in the eyes of God.

Adultery is stealing the sex that does not belong to you, it belongs to another man or women.

99.9 percent of the Christians have never practiced polygamy for centuries now too and that alone should have been quite explicit the clear condemnation of polygamy.

(Lev 21:7 KJV) They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.

In the ongoing secular societies of today sex sins, specially sex outside of marriage, adultery is personally still taken much too lightly, but these sins for Christians also do have real, serious negative consequences, the disapproval of God clearly indicated now in the Bible. In reality when one has indulged in adultery, one has tended to also simultaneously or previously indulged in many other unacceptable sins now too. Over 55 percent of evangelical pastors have committed adultery now too in North America… and it is no wonder they wrongfully tend to counsel divorce too.

The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein. (Proverbs 22:14 KJV)

Don’t even look at any “strange women.” If you do, you will utter perverse things. Proverbs 23:33

(Exo 20:14 KJV) Thou shalt not commit adultery.

GOD STILL DOES PUNISH THE SIN OF ADULTERY/POLYGAMY

Jesus says that to marry another, other than your first, is adultery (Mark 10:1-12). In Matthew 19:8, Jesus clearly says that if a man divorces a women other than for marital unfaithfulness,and marries another women it is deemed adultery. In such a context, can a man have more than one wife ?

Mark 10:1-12 Anyone arguing for the acceptability of polygamy must deal with Jesus’ explicit statement: “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.” Taking another spouse is adultery against the first spouse.

It is also simply a non sequitur to suggest that because the narrator does not comment on the polygamous practices of the patriarchs, the narrator therefore approves of them.
“27‘Y ou have heard that it was said, “You shall not commit adultery.” 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Matthew 5.27,28

Yes it in the New Testament sin means having sex wrongfully with someone you are not entitled to have sex with

In Jesus’ teaching on divorce, He pinpoints God’s original intent on marriage. Consider: “6 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7 ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, 8and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh.” Mark 10.6-8

“1 Now King Solomon loved many foreign women, along with the daughter of Pharaoh: Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite women, 2from the nations concerning which the LORD had said to the people of Israel, ‘You shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you, for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods.’ Solomon clung to these in love. 3He had 700 wives, princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart… 9And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice” 1 Kings 11.1-3, 9

Just because we CAN do any thing does not mean we should. Solomon knew right from wrong. And he chose the latter.

“Does God endorse sin?” and the answer is *no*. God never endorses sin because if He did it would be a contradiction and God would not be a perfect God of righteousness. God can never encourage sin, but He can allow or permit sin to flourish.

“3And David came to his house at Jerusalem. And the king took the ten concubines whom he had left to care for the house and put them in a house under guard and provided for them, but did not go in to them. So they were shut up until the day of their death, living as if in widowhood.” 2 Samuel 20.3

Not only did David not have a sexual relationship with them, he also did not have a marriage relationship with them. Thus, he preserved his monogamous relationship with Bathsheeba.

polygamy is not condoned or allowed in the Bible because it goes against God’s very plan for the marriage covenant, the union of one male and one female to become one flesh, and because it is an act of adultery. Those who point to examples of David, Solomon, and other Old Testament saints have made the mistake that a report of what took place is equal to the sanctioning of an event. As we can see, this inference is not at all necessary to make, and is quite a logical jump. In fact, if we pause to consider the teaching of tota scriptura, all of Scripture, we see that polygamy is expressly forbidden and that these individuals were sinning against God.

When God created Adam, and saw it was not good for him to be alone, God gave Adam a wife—one wife, not three or seven. This alone should be enough to persuade us of the wrongness of polygamy. Yet polygamy existed in patriarchal times. And when we look at the lives of the patriarchs, it is more than obvious that their polygamous lives did not produce good fruit. Abraham’s polygamy with Hagar produced envy and strife in his family (Gen. 16:6, 21:8-10). Jacob’s two wives produced a harvest of envy, competition, resentment, and fraternal hatred (Gen. 29-31, 36-37). Polygamy is not portrayed in a positive light in the patriarchs.
http://thisblogchoseyou.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/polygamy-and-the-bible/

God in the New Testament DID not tell us to practice monogamy as we see in
(Eph 5:22 KJV) Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
(Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(Eph 5:24 KJV) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:25 KJV) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
(Eph 5:26 KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
(Eph 5:27 KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
(Eph 5:28 KJV) So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
(Eph 5:29 KJV) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
(Eph 5:30 KJV) For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
(Eph 5:31 KJV) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two ( not 2 or more) shall be one flesh.
(Eph 5:32 KJV) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
(Eph 5:33 KJV) Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife ( singular) even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
(1 Tim 3:2 KJV) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
(1 Tim 3:12 KJV) Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
(Titus 1:6 KJV) If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

Polygamy wasn’t included before ‘Paradise was Lost‘. As we see in Adam and Eve (not plural Eves, Nor Adam and Steve too), and the general guideline for marriage ((Gen 2:24 KJV) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife:9 Singular and nto polral too) and they shall be one flesh. 25 And they were both ( just 2) naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.) where we see that monogamy was God’s perfect will.
God in the Old testament had permitted many things, such as divorce (Matthew 5:31-32; Mark 10:2-12), being that their hearts were hard. But not in the New Testament now..

Still 1 Kings 11 shows that Polygamy is quite foolish. Joining yourself with multiple people has spiritual, psychological and applicational problems.

http://apologetiks.com/2008/05/14/the-bibles-view-on-polygamy/

The false trend toward greater acceptance of sin:

As time progresses, American culture becomes acceptant of behaviors that our forefathers would have renounced adamantly.
Some of the first behaviors to be accepted culturally were adultery [sex outside the bonds of matrimony], cohabitation [an unwed couple living together], and pornography. Originally considered both shameful and illegal, adultery and cohabitation are now widely practiced and accepted both legally and culturally. Pornography is not only legal, but widely popular in every sector of our society.

Abortion has become widely accepted both culturally and legally. Prior to 1973, many people did not even know what abortion was. Even after its legalization, most condemned it personally, but often felt it should still be a private decision. Now this atrocity to our unborn is widely accepted and practiced all across America.
Prostitution has become viewed less shamefully than it had in the past. One county in our nation has legalized prostitution.
Homosexuality is now accepted as a normal form of sexuality. First the American Psychiatric Association declared it was no longer a disease. Then the public began to accept it as “normal”. And in 2004, the courts said that homosexuals should be allowed to marry one another.

The Bible tells us that those who fail to glorify God will accept and practice increasing sin:
“Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”[Romans 1:32]

Polygamy: the next false sin to be accepted?

Is polygamy next? After that, what will be the next sins that our society will accept? Shall we also accept group marriages, and pedophilia? Where does it end?

What the Bible says:
The Bible clearly gives God’s intent for marriage and sexuality. God created our bodies for Him, not so that we can do with it whatever we want. God’s will is that no one would use their body in any way contrary to His plan.
“The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.” [I Corinthians 6:13] “Therefore, honor God with your body.” [I Corinthians 6:20]
“The precepts of the LORD are right, giving joy to the heart.” [Psalm 19:8]
Let us not forget what God did to the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah:
“In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire”. [Jude 7]
“Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens.” [Genesis 19:24]
http://www.eadshome.com/polygamy.htm
Read the Bible, all of it and the references

GOD STILL DOES PUNISH THE SIN OF ADULTERY/POLYGAMY http://pbulow.tripod.com/adultery.html http://pbulow.tripod.com/polygamy.htm

Generally these days it is the wife who wrongfully files for divorce, and before that it used to be the men. These days the too often dirty lawyers who make blood money from divorce, are wolves in sheep clothing now picturing themselves and the spouse to the courts, as good persons, decent, honest, reliable, falsely claiming her now to be a totally good , honest person, and not another typical liar too.

The lawyers who tend to be too often liars themselves they like to present the female spouse before the Queen’s courts, before the supposedly reputable judge, who in my witness, experiences actual too often is also now a liar, pretender himself, a person who does not get off the bench cause he is too lazy to ascertain the truth of the facts being presented to him or her.

The lawyers like to present the wife as a decent, respected, good, moral person who now has provided faithfully for her husband, she did not, does not abuse any them not even her bad husband, she does not cheat, lie or steal now as well.

The still mostly liars like to present her as an a good person, whereas more likely in reality she also is another demon. In fact men and women tend to be equal sinners, before God and man. In fact the same spouse she likely has slandered, lied, committed adultery, even stole from her spouse and now she will keep on lying, perjuring herself hoping next to get a good alimony support from her spouse.

Many a person when they see these people divorcing they really tend next not to recognize them and their behavior, for it clearly is different from what they had known before, were used too in fact.

All of a sudden clearly new now openly monsters here have arisen. In reality the wife is not the mostly innocent, the sole injured party and the husband is not the sole bad guy, villain too.

All of these mostly immoral, lying now people, bad pastors, bad spouses, bad lawyers, bad judges tend to first need decent, real, pastoral counseling themselves.
Christian Lies, Divorce And/or Christian Divorce Remarriage, (as well as adultery, fornication , Alcoholism, drugs, smoking, gays) In the Christian Church are ALL still unacceptable.

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by thenonconformer on September 21, 2008 • Permalink

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Neither give place to the devil.

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(Acts 20:29 KJV) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

(Acts 20:30 KJV) Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

(Acts 20:31 KJV) Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

(Acts 20:32 KJV) And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

(Acts 20:33 KJV) I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel.

(Acts 20:34 KJV) Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

(Acts 20:35 KJV) I have showed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

(2 Tim 3:2 KJV) For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

(2 Tim 3:3 KJV) Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

(2 Tim 3:4 KJV) Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

(2 Tim 3:5 KJV) Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

(2 Tim 3:6 KJV) For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

(2 Tim 3:7 KJV) Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I was once taken by surprise when a professing evangelical founding Baptist church pastor said to me he did not accept negative comments in his church, and he did not talk about sins now too.. yes he was next the same immoral Pastor who had said he could not understand what Hitler now did that was so bad.. so I helped to fire him, he rightfully is no long a church pastor

Firstly Mormons do not believe that Jesus Christ is God himself so we have no similiar beliefs. All Mormons are really lost still too, they are all going to Hell still next too. As simple as that.

Morons are not Holy Spirit led, they admit that they still are man led rather so they do not know the Bible spirtual truths, and so they can’t understand it still.

Speaking of false oppressions the Mormons tend to be the biggest false persons, hypocrites I also do know.. I openly and rightfully have no use for their lies, distortions, pretence too.. for they even mostly lie when they claim they even know and read the Bible for otherwise they would not be so dumb to contradict it all the time.. in their mostly false doctrines, false teachings now too.

God was never married, and he never had sex with anyone too.. Jesus is not the twin of the devil, rather Jesus still he is God himself.. he Jesus had said I and the father are one.

(John 10:30 KJV) I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

and no Mormon add on, re-interpretations, additional distortions are needed. the verse is straightforward and a simple one..

Water itself exists in three states, solid, liquid and gas and so does God The creator HIMSELF can certainly duplicate his CREATIONS STILL TOO..

NOW God, his Son, and the Spriit of Christ, God, the Holy Spirit are one still too, even though each one OF THEM is an indivual person, and each one of them do even personally talk to me too today.

(John 14:21 KJV) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(John 14:23 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our (Plural) abode with him.

(John 14:26 KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(John 15:4 KJV) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

(John 15:5 KJV) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

(John 15:6 KJV) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

(John 15:7 KJV) If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

The Mormons should stop listening to all of their false prophets, false elders, false apostles, false teachers and start to really talk to and to listen to Jesus and his Holy Spirit. Almost 99 percent of real Christians, evangelicals, Catholics, Pentecostals rightfully do believe Mormons are not Christians, are a cult.

I also do not have to work to get in Heaven, for already I am in Heaven now, I am with God, with His son and His Holy Spirt now, I already do have a relationship with all three of them now.. and the rest of the persons being in Hell now is them now being seperated from all three of them, from the Trinity.. by even their own confessions too.. for you cannot have one and not have the others..

(Mat 19:21 KJV) Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

(Luke 6:40 KJV) The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

(John 17:23 KJV) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

(Rom 12:2 KJV) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

(Gal 3:3 KJV) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

(Eph 4:13 KJV) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

(Rev 3:2 KJV) Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” 2 Corinthians 11:3-4

One of the best way to catch fish, suckers is to use a snared hook, loaded with genuine live bait, a genuine sounding such as one lying to the unsuspecting person and telling them, guaranteeing them a Divine Appointment that you will next share with them, and only the whole truth.. all now based solely on the solid rock of the preserved Word of God, even as God himself now opens doors for me to touch the lives of others, and WOW, Unbelievable, and sadly YES too often that is true.. Unbelievable.. all occurring sadly of course by the PRESENTER, AUTHOR unacceptably neglecting to tell them all beforehand about the hidden lies, the false hooks of course!!!

The false hooks of mere man’s interpretations, mere men’s teachings and not God’s now as well.. a false detour, deviation actually next from the real truth in the Bible, even from the Holy Sprit’s personal teachings now to, all made now to make sure you will never see God’s whole truths. Mind you and do note how how really subtle the devil is here now too. Not surprisingly the devil also now uses the same techniques when he uses the Mormons, the Jehovah Witnesses, and others to get you hooked on their distortions, lies, reinterpretations too..

I too now have learned decades and decades ago that the Brethren are most often deceitful in their evangelcial outreach, presentations.. meaning that they speak with a forked toungue, and meaning they generally are not straightforward and honest, immediately forthcoming what they realy believe in, who they really are now firstly too, and so we all have to beware of them.. and now I have known much too many of them too.. and I had next found just a few of them that were really honest, Christians, only a very, very small portion

“I have learned decades and decades ago that the Brethren are deceitful.. ” they always have their own comments, reinterpretation the Bible.. their own false context and many of them are rightfully now going to hell… they like to tell people what to do, but do not like others to tell them the truth about themselves.

by the way most of my family on my wife’s side are Plymouth brethren, still they cheat, lies, steal, slander, commit adultery and they are all undeniably going to hell, with their bad pastors, deacons, elders too..

All of us Living by faith for God to supply our needs, God alone to guide, lead us is not an option..

The brethren love to preach about the life of Rev George Muller who lived by faith, but they themselves lack faith for God to supply the needs so they now sell his books AND why do they lack faith? faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.. but they still are mostly listen listen to mere men, men’s commentaries, dictionaries too and not to God himself and Jesus said my sheep hear my voice.. they cannot hear his voice..

When I look at a new professing Christian site such as vision20twenty and it makes the typical generall proclamations that they will next guide and lead us into all truth, and only will offer the whole truth, and that they are also non denominational, real Christians, who now do promote now only the Bible and nothing more than that and based on my past encounters, expericnes now I can most often be rest assured they are mere wolves in sheep clothing, the false Brethren with their false dispensational doctrines… including nopw http://vision20twenty.org/ where” God gave man a new dispensation (stewardship) of truth”

Especially too when there are few Dispensationalist who do even agree with each other, who do even believe in most of the same things, do as well accept the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit, or the present existence of the of 5 fold New testament Biblical Ministry offices of Ephesians.

(Mat 19:21 KJV) Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

(Luke 6:40 KJV) The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

(John 17:23 KJV) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

(Rom 12:2 KJV) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

(Gal 3:3 KJV) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

(Eph 4:13 KJV) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

(Rev 3:2 KJV) Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Do see my posts on what a real Christian is.. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/what-does-it-really-mean-to-follow-jesus-christ/

I have learned decades and decades ago that most of the Brethren not just the too many bad pastors are also deceitful, nasty, abuseful and really unacceptably bad.. they falsely are control freaks, who falsely love to practise divorce, even the silent treatment to those who do not give them what they want.. do now see also the postings on the topics in http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/

The too common abusive silent treatment

Verbal abuse is always unacceptable too.

Deliberate unforgiveness

Control freaks

More about Control freaks. Fears

Can a person change?

Too many preachers, teachers, people overly simplify the Gospel and distort it. Ostriches too tend to deny the negative truths of the Bible still too.

The world most famous evangelist had mislead the people, lied and had said Come to Christ and he will solve all of your problems, marital ones included.. Misleading for God rather may let your spouse divorce you instead for your own benefit too.

and in reality God will forgive your sins, but still likely allow you to reap some of the related negative consequences so that the next time you be less tempted to do it again.. for we have this treasure in earthen vessels

(Eph 4:26 KJV) Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

(Eph 4:27 KJV) Neither give place to the devil.

(Eph 4:28 KJV) Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

(Eph 4:29 KJV) Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

(Eph 4:30 KJV) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

(Eph 4:31 KJV) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

(Eph 4:32 KJV) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.

(Eph 5:1 KJV) Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

Some people lie and say anger is a sin, but even God gets angry at sin, ignorance and a lot more..

The road to Hell itself is paved often now with our good intentions and those of others now as well. Sad!

James 1:19-25 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” 2 Corinthians 11:3-4

Daniel 7:25, “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” Daniel 8:12, “And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it CAST DOWN THE TRUTH TO THE GROUND; and it practiced, and prospered.”

2 Thessalonians 2:10. “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” 11, “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.” 12, “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18)

Too many persons, especially any recent converts are either unaware, or unwilling to examine, accept the official historic position of their church, denomination, the views of the critics now too . the truth is not often known even because too often the bad leaders, not only hide the truth, they do not openly encourage a review, or disclose the negative aspects of their sect, cult, denomination in reality. We have to still personally judge and examine always all we hear, see , read..

Still many persons too often when next told the whole truth their first reaction is, “My church doesn’t teach that!” Study, read the proof for yourself firstly! Examine the hidden agendas too. Even note this many of critics have too often false hidden biases and agendas now..

John 2:3-4, KJV, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” (Galatians 3:10) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4; see also Acts 15:28-29) “Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness” (Romans 4:3). This is how a person is justified and found righteous before God, and this is how a person lives a righteous life, by faith (Galatians 3:11). It is not by keeping the law of God, because “if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21). Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them. (Hebrews 13:9; see also Mark 7:14-19)

Contrary to the gospel of the New Testament, of Jesus, and the Apostles, the Seventh day Adventists falsely teach that observance of all of the Old testament law as being still binding on all Christians today. “Adventists do differ from other Christians in that they celebrate the Bible sabbath from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday. They the Seventh day Adventists falsely believe that all of past the laws of God are still binding on Christians today and that those who love Jesus will keep all of His, God’s commandments. Very misleading too.

“Moreover, in their commandments of men, Adventists advocate a vegetarian diet. God undeniably created meat so we can it it.. but moderation, and self control are still always required. For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving. (1 Timothy 4:4) Scripture does not promote a vegetarian diet as “healthier.” What Scripture basically promotes as “healthier” is firstly the attention to the wisdom of God, which, by the way, promotes the eating of meat (Genesis 9:3; 18:1-8; Leviticus 10:14; Deuteronomy 12:15, 20-21; 27; Proverbs 9:2; 1 Corinthians 10:25; 1 Timothy 4:4) My son, give attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart; for they are life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh. (Proverbs 4:20-22) It is the word of God that gives longer life” (Psalm 91:16; Proverbs 3:1-2; Ephesians 6:2-3), makes one “healthier” (Proverbs 3:7-8; 4:20-22), and makes one “happier,” as it is written, Happy is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gains understanding; for her proceeds are better than the profits of silver, and her gain than fine gold. (Proverbs 3:13-14; see also Psalm 128:1-2; 144:15; 146:5; Proverbs 3:18; 14:21; 16:20; 28:14; 29:18; Romans 14:22)”

The Seventh-day Adventist church they believe the Bible teaches that the state of man in death is unconsciousness and also the Adventists reject the Biblical truth of an eternal hell of torment. This “unconscious state” is a Fundamental Belief of the Adventist church (” . . . death is an unconscious state for all people, ” Fundamental Beliefs, #25 www.adventist.org/beliefs/index.html, ).

They here too are fundamentally wrong. Please note that in Luke 16:19-30. Both Abraham and the rich man are very much conscience, yet both of their bodies are in the grave (Genesis 25:7-9; Luke 16:22). Not only is God going to “realize that in His universe souls” are “suffering torment” that will never end, but they will suffer in His very presence (e.g. Revelation 14:10-11); people will go out and look at them (Isaiah 66:24); and the righteous (Psalm 58:9-10), the daughters of Jerusalem (Psalm 97:7-9), creation (Psalm 96:10-13), and God Himself will rejoice over their judgment (Psalm 104:31; Luke 10:21-23; Revelation 18:20; 19:1-7). Revelation 20:10 And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Note also the things they the Seventh day Adventists too now have in common with the false cults of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, and many others now too.. contradicting the word of God.

“SDA’s share their early history with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. An early Adventist, N. H. Barbour co-published with Charles Taze Russell. They had a falling out over (what else?) dates for the end of the world! (1844 and 1874), and parted company.

Both, however, kept heretical doctrines to this day like Jesus being Michael the Archangel, the denial of Hell, and both still advocate soul sleep. Both invented invisible occurrences in heaven for their failed dates for Christ’s visible return, investigative judgment for the SDA’s and Christ’s invisible “presence” for Jehovah’s Witnesses.

There is Mormon link also for the SDA’s. It is a proven fact that Ellen G. White plagiarized most of her writings. The Church has been challenged by Walter Rea, author of the White Lie to prove that even 20% of her writings are original. They can’t. Their weak defense was that there were no copyright laws in Ellen’s day, so what she did was legal. You will never be told of her plagiarism by the SDA’s.

As Ellen was rising to prominence, Joseph Smith had just died. Her writings contain many phrases used by Joseph Smith. Mind you, he has also been accused of plagiarism. I have a thick file of similarities, but time does not permit details at this time, but it does illustrate just how far her “borrowing” went.

SDA’s often make every effort to appear “evangelical”, joining in with inter-ministry groups and trying to “blend in” with the Christian community.

They consider themselves to be exclusive, and spiritually superior to the rest of of the professing Christians too.” Pride cometh before a great fall.

Please do see also

http://savedbyhisblood.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-jesus-of-seventh-day-adventism/

http://www.truthorfables.com/

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/sda/adventi.htm

.. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/what-does-it-really-mean-to-follow-jesus-christ/

Some people, hypocrites are so ready to preach to the others but they clearly cannot sill live the truth they preach themselves. I too rightfully would like to see a sermon practiced, not one merely lip serviced..

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by thenonconformer on September 17, 2008 • Permalink

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Tagged Adventists, Bible, Brethren, Christianity, Church, Cults, Day Star, Daystar, denominations, Faith, false, gospel, Holy Spirt, Jesus, Jesus Christ, lies, Life, love, McCain, Mormons, Obama, Palin, Relgion, religious, true or false, truth

Posted by thenonconformer on September 17, 2008

https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/neither-give-place-to-the-devil/

US journalist Mark Pinsky asked why..

Most of the professing Christians discussion sites, if you can call them Christian, are undeniably still not Christian, for too often they reveal their lack of spirituality, ignorance of the whole Bible, not just the lack of Christian practice… real lack of any applicable Bible verses too,

As you do know I have opften said it is Amazing how I tend to post the same response to the same related subjects on various sites I tend to visit , one site accepts the message and me, but clearly the other one hates me and the message.. the response to me shows a lot about the responder.

Now while the exasperated US journalist Mark Pinsky asks why, in spite of decades of detailed exposés, the faithful remain happy to be fleeced by TV preachers begging for their born-again bucks

“I have been covering Trinity Broadcasting Network and its flamboyant founders, Paul and Jan Crouch, for nearly two decades.

During that time, I have chronicled and investigated the inexorable rise of the world’s largest Christian media empire for newspapers on both US coasts, in The Los Angeles Times and The Orlando Sentinel, as well as in chapters in several books.

My detailed exposés in the Times have included the Crouches’ heavy-handed, corner-cutting, and even cutthroat dealings with fellow Christians, as well as disputes between Trinity and the Federal Communications Commission and evangelical trade groups such as the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB). In part because of my reporting, Trinity withdrew from the NRB and was stripped of its Miami television affiliate because of what the FCC charged was misrepresentation of minority ownership.

I revealed dubious Trinity practices, for example, ordaining affiliate station managers (often Crouch relatives) in order for them to qualify for parsonage allowance tax breaks “

and why is it so many Christians ostriches deny how many of the rather bad perverse, immoral their pastor really is?”

http://shipoffools.com/features/2008/teflon_televangelists.html

And the answer lies in the fact there are few good churches, pastors, both Pentecostals and non Pentecostal ones you can trust these days it seems.. and why is that?

But you know I have seen the same type of religious institution abuses in local churches and here is shocker, in evangelical Baptist churches and not just in the Pentecostal churches too.. .. tax evasions, false parsonage parsonage allowance tax breaks, the pastor’s relatives mostly on the payrolls and in Canada now too

Here is something else that bothers me is how falsely so many professing Christians clearly openly rejoice when another Christian brother has fallen. and why is that too?

The devil, demons and demon seduced professing Christian persons falsely, wrongfully take false delight in slandering, abusing, bashing others, even the Pentecostal Christians and thus they show the sad truth that they do not have any real love for others.

Well no matter I will still serve the Lord first, always..

(Psa 16:7)I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.

(Psa 16:8) I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

(Psa 16:9) Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.

(Psa 16:10) For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

(Psa 16:11) Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.

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by thenonconformer on September 13, 2008 • Permalink

Posted in Christianity, NEWS & POLITICS, News and politics, Religious discussions Christianity

Posted by thenonconformer on September 13, 2008

https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/us-journalist-mark-pinsky-asked-why/

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