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Site Searches- Questions and Anwsers

Most people do not realize that blog owners may get statistics that reveal some of the searches on my interent sites as well. Here are a few I saw just this week

– are the Palin children missing school during travel.. of course, but they will make up for it..

-what does it mean when God calls you? Generally it means God has clearly , specially ordained now you to be an Apostle- Missionary, Prophet, – elders, teacher- pastors evangelist, etc.,
-Is Canada’s prime Minister Steven Harper a pretender professing Christian or a real one? unlikely he is a real Christian.
-what does it mean to hateth one’s life? means to be God centered verses self centered
-what does it mean to follow Christ? it means to daily let the voice of the holy spirit lead you in your life.
-and those with Jesus Christ now are they also called chosen ? yes, they have been chosen before the foundations of the world to be with him in heaven..
-am in need of a born again mentor to stay a Christian? no! you need the read the bible, pray and to let the Holy sprit Guide you
-what does glory mean in the bible mean ? the honor of God

– what functions do elders play in a church? depends on what church now. in some churches they supervise the pastor in others they are falsely slave of the pastor
– what about the the Bible reference to to the laying on of hands.. impartation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is it valid for today.. of course.. Jesus has not changed..
– is a head deacon Biblical? not really, it is men’s preferences to have a head.. Christ is the sole necessary head..

– was the FGBMFI exposed for corruptions, falsehoods? sounds more like one sided prorpganda

– are there a unchristian pastor and what to do about it? Pray for them and fire them..

– Does Jesus give to non Christians, hears their prayers too? he is not obligated to do so..

– what about LDS Mormon and their supposed authority structure is it true or false? yes the whole system is false
– are some persons now also overly hypocritical,” “insensitive,” and “judgmental”, of course.

– Can a Christian marry a non christian.. no! and you should Marry the person God has chosen for you.

-a Christian point what true religion really means, is? practicing Christianity
-what does disciple means “KJV”? a True Christian
-divorce rate amongst Pentecostals, Christians? 30 percent and it is all unacceptable

– is Stephen Harper and his church now evangelical Pentecostals? No.. they are watered down supposed Christians
– difference Pentecostal verses alliance.. often significant.. alliance is a bad group..
– listen for the voice of the lord means what? listening to the real voice of the Holy Sprit.
– what does the word Levi ,scribe, Pharisee, hireling, Pastor, elders, apostle, prophet, teacher mean? Depends on who you ask it seems.
– worship longing for god means what? putting God first and praising him
– why tax-exempt donations are meaningless? you are giving with bad motives

– what does the word Sarah mean in the bible– read it in the bible
– following Jesus Christ means what? following after his Holy spirit, the Bible..

– what about the Calgary Christian centre? It had bad pastors, is closed now
– Phillip the deacon in the bible.. a good one too
– what does the word beloved mean? Loved by God, others
– What about conservative alcoholics? bad persons..
– what about diseases from shit? they can kill you..
– what is the church structure for the Christian missionary alliance? false, corporation
– what about the Toronto airport fellowship Church pastors? seem to like to lie, slander, gossip, live high on the hog

-Christian tithe distribution? 1/7 to be given to the poor people, the rest to the Christian families, and yourself as well.. it differs from Muslim tithing and fasting too.
– is Sarah Palin heath candy bar heir? more rather the heir of God’s eternal life.
– what does the number 1, 7, 3, 19 really means? 12+7
– what do you do about bad elders? Fire them

– Is dispensational teachings, false, a bad thing? really bad..

– Is Sarah Palin a real Christian? So far yes.
– What about Bell Sympatico? a really bad corporation

– Are most Canadians happy about having another election so soon? Generally not, it is costly too.

I also read some really absurd comments, searches showing that persons on the net even looking to spread both their hatred and ignorance..

Actually had most people actually read the Bible daily they would know most of the answers already but I have generally covered these topics on my various sites.

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http://groups.msn.com/Jesussayscome

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the Child of God

While there is not one person on earth that does not fall short of the glory of God, not one of us measure up in the sight of God.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)

The very first verse in the Bible tells us that God created the heaven and the earth.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

The first three verses in the Gospel of John tell us that the Word made ALL things, including heaven and earth.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (John 1:14-17)

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; (Isaiah 44:24)

Jesus Christ is the creator, the sole eternal God, the Father, the Word, the Son and

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:10-14)

When the Lord Jesus Christ began his ministry he was rejected by the majority of the Jewish people, and that is what “his own received him not” is speaking about. But the scriptures also tell us that as many who DID receive him (Jesus), received the power to become the sons (children) of God. So once again we see that the determining factor as to what makes a person a “child of God,” is what that same person does with Jesus Christ.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

Those words still stand true today. There is no other way to heaven, and there is no other name outside the name of Jesus Christ to be saved.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (Romans 5:8-9)

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:23-24)

Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:10-12)

And you hath he quickened (made ALIVE), who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. (Ephesians 2:1-3)

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23)

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

While there is not one person on earth that does not fall short of the glory of God, not one of us measure up in the sight of God.

Any person who dies without Jesus Christ will die in their sins,

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Proverbs 1:7)

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. (Proverbs 8:13)

In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge. (Proverbs 14:26)

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:27-28)

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. (John 8:42-47)

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (1 John 5:9-12)

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. (Mark 1:15)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:15-16)

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Gentile). (Romans 1:16)

For a lot of people their too often false version of mere Christianity seems to consists of Having a blog with the word Christian and their name on it, or going to church 3 times a years and for others it is going Sunday morning.. but not to any of the prayer meetings, or the Sunday night services.. and that is all it is it seems.. then others seem to wonder why these people have gone astray are so much in error now too.

But my own version of Christianity is significantly deeper, and broader as well.

Firstly I accepted the personally need to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and personal savior from all of our sins as well nut I also believe in the need of Sanctification, the Baptism of the Holy spirit where one next is equipped for God’s service, God will and plan for their life, including charismatic’s gifts now too.

I also do believe in the need of all Christians to have daily devotionals, Bible and prayer time with God preferably both morning and evenings, starting and ending the day with God, and where God can personally speak to us, teach, direct us some more. Just as I believe in daily repentances, confesions to God the admission of our sins now too

I belief when the bible says the just shall live by faith now that includes each and every person, they are to trust God to supply their needs, wants, desires, to live their life based on God words, his instructions to them, not based on falsely following after other men or women, or one’ supposed personal inclination, supposed talents.

I rightfully believe the same equal rights now of all persons, of all ages too, and in voluntarily, unenforceable, mutal submissions to any Christian persons, pastors, elders.. and I do not believe in any enslavements. hierarchy pecking order etc.,,

I also do believe in the personal need of appropriate evangelism, our being able to share, to explain , to teach to others the biblical the reasons for one’s Christian based faith, beliefs.

I belief also in the need of all Christians in both social actions and political action now too. We all do need to be really concerned, involved personally and as a church in helping the poor and needy people starting in our own church, neighborhood too. I clearly believe in guiding, directing, instructing the political leaders to make the right choices, decisions, laws now too and insuring that we elect the best persons available for the job, not necessity Christian ones even.

Having a good time, being self centered, selfish, acquiring all the material goods, pleasure one can have is certainly not what being a Christian now is all about too.

Yes I also believe that Christians can only marry another really Christians and that Christians cannot divorce, while they temporarily can get a separation, for proper Biblical counseling mostly.

I rightfully and clearly now still do not believe in having the wife as the boss, head of the home, her having all of the say, the sole run of all things now too.

I also do not believe in taking any ostrich approach when we personally eye unacceptable wrong doings towards ourselves and others, and I do believe in asking all of the bad persons to repent, to even next openly expose, rebuke them now even too for their wrong doings and repentances, even if they think they are somebody, a pastor , cop or politician , professional included.. God himself does not accept personal or human rights abuses, sins, unrepentances quitely.

Nor do I I automatically assume that all cops, lawyer’s judges are decent, honest, the real purveyors of justices too.

(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Jesus said by their own fruits you can tell what a tree is like for a good tree brings forth good fruit, and a bad tree bad fruit..

nope I did not say that Jesus now did.

So I have a right to be a fruit inspector and what must I think when I myself have seen see many bad fruits for a church, a denomination..

That Jesus will remove their candlestick too?

(Mat 18:17 KJV) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.

(Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

(Eph 5:24 KJV) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

(Eph 5:27 KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

(Rev 2:4 KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

(Rev 2:5 KJV) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

(Rev 3:1 KJV) And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

All Dispensationalists, Plymouth brethren. Messianic Jews who think they can accept Christ and still continue to even live in sin with no negative real personal consequences next too because they have intellectually now accepted who Jesus Christ is can go and lie to someone else for rightfully I am not stupid to believe anything they say .. for I have learned decades and decades ago that the dispensationalists, Plymouth Brethren , even many messianic Jews are deceitful.. While these Brethren even say they Believe the Bible is the Word of God, they too clearly do have this unholy, desperate and complicated need to reinterpret almost every passages of the Bible suitable to their own liking. “A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth” (Proverbs 14:6)

(Pro 2:10) When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;

(Pro 2:11) Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:

(Pro 2:12) To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;

(Pro 2:13) Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;

(Pro 2:14) Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;

(Pro 2:15) Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:

do see

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-spin-game-evangelicals-and-their-leaders-pastors-do-play-now/

http://monergist.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/95-theses-against-dispensationalism/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/how-to-pray-for-healing/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/

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by thenonconformer on September 22, 2008 • Permalink

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Posted by thenonconformer on September 22, 2008

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The next sin to become falsey acceptable is..

For some reason, OFTEN ENCOURAGED TO DO SO BY THE FALSE PREACHERS, too many a professing Christian wrongfully still do think that God by grace will both overlook our ignorance , and sins.. even though there is no Bible verse to that effect.. God has already clearly now also said what a man sows, he will reap as a reward, both the good and the bad is included.. sow nothing and you will reap nothing… that applies to your home, marriage too..

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Giving in to the lust of the flesh is a sin, and thus that includes the unacceptable sins of divorce, homosexuality and polygamy..

I was surprised still as to how many times this topic of divorce, marriage now appears on other people’s searches.. yes, if you look hard enough you can eventually get the answer you want but not necessarily the right one.

FIRSTLY THE FAMILY, MARRIAGE & DIVORCE AND THE BIBLE TOO.

Without prior prayer to God and God’s help all one does will rather fail

The marriage, or the job, money, is not the priority, God firstly and his will is always still the priority
if two persons, husband and wife refuse to walk together with God, the marriage, their house will fall.. for a house divided cannot stand
the Husband is the sole head of the home.. and this is not an option, a pretense
if the wife abuses her husband God here on earth will punish her too in reality even with divorce and Christian or not
if the husband abuses his wife God will punish him here on earth and not hear his prayers
If the children disrespect their parents, they too will reap what they sow, God will, he punish them too.
(Isa 40:31 KJV) But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Yes I know that at least 30 percent of evangelical Christians, including now Pentecostal ones, practice divorce, adultery but that does not make it right still

and FOR SURE Coke, sex, adultery, divorce, Coca-Cola, wine, alcohol, beer or what ever they they are not the answer to having a happy life! Following after Jesus Christ alone is!
Why are so many people still obsessed with fantasy, romance, divorce, drugs, alcohol, even TV, movies, sex, pleasure, pornography.. for most of them personally it is an initial lazy, false escapism approach from the too often real negative aspects of life that we firstly all tend to have, particularly due to our own unrepentant sins and due to Satan’s buffeting, harassment of them.. the grass may appear greener in the neighbors yard cause you do not know what hardships they are facing now, the supposedly rich persons included. While God for his faithful few give them the grace to endure hardships and even to overcome them, we are all nevertheless bound to have trails and tribulations, hardships, all of us.. Instead of personally first learning how to use the Bible to oppose Satan, obtain peace in their own life, too many persons turn to the flesh.. The problem also with the common graphic misrepresentation of the pleasure of sex but the reality is that even the Gays, lesbians, adulterers tend to have even more negative consequences, oppressions in their life to force them into deeper bondage with Satan.. Jesus sets us free from all that.

(Gal 5:16 KJV) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

(Rom 7:5 KJV) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

(Gal 5:19 KJV) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

(Rom 8:1 KJV) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Mark 10:19 You know the commandments: Do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.
Mark 10:1 AND [Jesus] left there [Capernaum] and went to the region of Judea and beyond [east of] the Jordan; and crowds [constantly] gathered around Him again, and as was His custom, He began to teach them again.
Mark 10:2 And some Pharisees came up, and, in order to test Him {and} try to find a weakness in Him, asked, Is it lawful for a man to dismiss {and} repudiate {and} divorce his wife?
Mark 10:3 He answered them, What did Moses command you?
Mark 10:4 They replied, Moses allowed a man to write a bill of divorce and to put her away.
Mark 10:5 But Jesus said to them, Because of your hardness of heart [your condition of insensibility to the call of God] he wrote you this precept in your Law.
Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.
Mark 10:7 For this reason a man shall leave [behind] his father and his mother {and be} {joined to his wife and cleave closely to her permanently,}
Mark 10:8 And the two shall become one flesh, so that they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Mark 10:9 What therefore God has united (joined together), let not man separate {or} divide.
Mark 10:10 And indoors the disciples questioned Him again about this subject.
Mark 10:11 And He said to them, Whoever dismisses (repudiates and divorces) his wife and marries another commits adultery against her;
Mark 10:12 And if a woman dismisses (repudiates and divorces) her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.

Wrongfully too many even Christian Couples get more concerned about their standard of earthly living than the quality of their spiritual life. About having a good time over time spent with the Lord Jesus Christ. They neglect God, they in fact are having an affair with the world.. So next it naturally is not remarkable they will also commit marital affairs too. because they now next do get caught up in the supposedly stressful task of earning a living, getting ahead and do neglect God and each other. They now clearly do not have God’s provision, strength to handle life or their marriage.. They now also maybe are energized at work, but tired at home. The man supposedly is now too busy to give his wife the love she needs; or the wife neglects giving her husband and also the same the sexual attention he needs. The next thing they know , they both even fall into adulterous sexual temptation, and seem to have set each other up for an affair. 1 Corinthians 7:2-5. When the husband fails to give his wife the unique attention she needs and the wife fails to give her husband the unique attention he needs, they create a set of circumstances that gives the devil an opportunity to tempt them to go outside the marriage for what they should be providing for each other in the marriage. The solution firstly is getting back personally to God. Wounded marriages can be made whole but only if both off the spouses firstly get right with God. Too often that is not the case still.

Material and emotional neglect or even being abused by a spouse is not grounds for divorce, but any abuse it is ground for calling the police or martial separation.. material and emotional neglect is grounds for separation too.. unless you actually are the cause of it, the real instigator?
On clear Fools who think they can have a happy life, a happy marriage, can be doing their own thing, all without God too. Failure to daily read and to apply the Bible regularly as individuals and as couples seriously now leaves a point of spiritual vulnerability the devil can use to tear couples apart. Read the Bible together. In the population of people I counsel, I see less than 10 percent of the couples reading the Bible together. Failure to read the Bible regularly as individuals and as couples leaves a point of spiritual vulnerability the devil can use to tear couples apart. Pray together , do have a brief time of prayer together at the beginning of the day, end of the day, or both times—a prayer time WILL HELP YOU TO spiritually unite. Be always still loving, considerate, patient with, kind to each other. Learn to talk to each other, if you love someone you will talk to them.. Don’t try to force solutions to the problems per your demands, time, schedule even. But don’t deceive yourself into thinking problems you don’t deal with will go away. If you deny them and suppress them, they often will erode the foundation of your marriage and put distance between you. Be always verbally and physically affectionate with each other more than you are to theirs especially like your mother, father, brother and sister otherwise it will show how little you love them . . Don’t take each other for granted. Put each other before your children. God called you to be married before He called you to be a parent. Guard your conversation even from language that sends the wrong kind of message to your spouse.

Do not let the sun go done on your anger, hurts, learn how to deal with it, to resolve them. Forgiveness happens as an ongoing act of one’s will, committment. The guilty spouse must ask the offended spouse for forgiveness. The offended spouse must take the step of accepting the apology and granting forgiveness. And here if you do not forgive God will not forgive you next too. We all have many things we daily need God’s forgiveness for too.

Immediately after a forced separation this is a very dangerous time in the recovery process. Couples separated more than 3 days ate rarefy reconciled next, or healed. A lesson we learn from this is that the pleasure of an adulterous relationship, pleasure of self centeredness is never worth the price that next has to be paid for it!

Dream on if most of you falsely still think a new marriage may be better too.. rarely is it the case..

Now we should all know that adultery is a sin and one has to repent of it lest a worse thing next happens to them, like even more shame and more public humiliations even!!!

Clearly (Gal 6:7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

(Luke 12:3 KJV) Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

Luke 16:18 Whoever divorces (dismisses and repudiates) his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

“For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away…” -Malachi 2:16

“Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” -Matthew 19:6

Divorce and remarriages is always is a sin! Perhaps you may try to think that marriage is the “old fashioned” way. The first marriage is the “right and only way”

To divorce your spouse is always a sin, and you will also be responsible for their sinning if they remarry. But you can’t be held responsible for your spouse if they’re already committing the sin on their own.

According to some reliable sources, more married married women these days now have had an affair during the course of their marriage over the married men, Such acts on part of men or women are never acceptable. God still does makes people to pay a terrible price for destroying a home. Some few people fortunately do learn the terrible price adultery extracts from everyone involved and readily conclude that whatever pleasure may be involved is never worth the price: the loss of fellowship with the Lord; potential loss of spouse and children; and, embarrassment and humiliation among friends. King David was one of them. He David confessed his sins to God and God forgive him, but he still paid negative consequences as a result too.

Psalm 39:1 A Psalm of David. I said, I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me.
2 I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred.
3 My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue,
4 LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am.
5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
6 Surely every man walketh in a vain show: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them.
7 And now, Lord, what wait I for? my hope is in thee.
8 Deliver me from all my transgressions: make me not the reproach of the foolish.
9 I was dumb, I opened not my mouth; because thou didst it.
10 Remove thy stroke away from me: I am consumed by the blow of thine hand.
11 When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity, thou makest his beauty to consume away like a moth: surely every man is vanity. Selah.
12 Hear my prayer, O LORD, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a stranger with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were.
13 O spare me, that I may recover strength, before I go hence, and be no more.

If your spouse continues to commit adultery and is unrepentant, you next either divorce them or separate from them.. but you no longer live with them. Matthew 5:32, Jesus said, “But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.“

Mark 10:20 And he replied to Him, Teacher, I have carefully guarded {and} observed all these {and} taken care not to violate them from my boyhood. 21 And Jesus, looking upon him, loved him, and He said to him, You lack one thing; go and sell all you have and give [the money] to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come [and] accompany Me [walking the same road that I walk].

Mark 10:23 And Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, With what difficulty will those who possess wealth {and} keep on holding it enter the kingdom of God!
Great spiritual men who clearly had bad wives but still they were not a reflection on the husband personally!

(Mat 10:36 KJV) And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

It does not say might be, can be.. but it says will be..

(Micah 3:5 KJV) Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.

King David’s wife (2 Sam 6:12 KJV) And it was told king David, saying, The LORD hath blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertaineth unto him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness. 13 And it was so, that when they that bare the ark of the LORD had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatlings. 14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. 15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet. 16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul’s daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart. 17 And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD. 18 And as soon as David had made an end of offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts. 19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine. So all the people departed every one to his house. 20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself! 21 And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD. 22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. 23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

and Job’s wife too.. (Job 2:10 KJV) But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

and we condemnation of have Lot’s bad wife.. but there is no direct biblical condemnation now about Lot..
(Luke 17:32 KJV) Remember Lot’s wife. (Luke 17:33 KJV) Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. (Luke 17:34 KJV) I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

(Lev 21:7 KJV) They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.

A great prophet had even married and slept with a prostitute at God’s command..

(Hosea 1:2 KJV) The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.

Before you non hypocritically now try to change, correct, rebuke your spouse, you must first insure that you yourself now are also are right before God, that you have dealt with your owns sins, cause rightfully next all of your words will be hollow, not ring true, will be infective still.. reality!!! If there are changes to be made God is the one who will do it next too.

All Christians cannot Marry any Non Christians or get divorced or commit Polygamy.

Historically, biblically In the New Testament times, Bible there was also no practice of polygamy amongst any of the Christians or the apostles, church leaders.
Polygamy ALSO IS A SIN, is wrong because it necessarily involves adultery. That is why it and homosexuality is not specifically banned anywhere in the New testament Bible – because it is covered by the applicable old testament laws that deal with adultery and homosexuality .

If you have sex with someone other than your wife then it is adultery, and simply going through a ceremony, even if it is legally valid, cannot make that second woman into a wife in the eyes of God.

Adultery is stealing the sex that does not belong to you, it belongs to another man or women.

99.9 percent of the Christians have never practiced polygamy for centuries now too and that alone should have been quite explicit the clear condemnation of polygamy.

(Lev 21:7 KJV) They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.

In the ongoing secular societies of today sex sins, specially sex outside of marriage, adultery is personally still taken much too lightly, but these sins for Christians also do have real, serious negative consequences, the disapproval of God clearly indicated now in the Bible. In reality when one has indulged in adultery, one has tended to also simultaneously or previously indulged in many other unacceptable sins now too. Over 55 percent of evangelical pastors have committed adultery now too in North America… and it is no wonder they wrongfully tend to counsel divorce too.

The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein. (Proverbs 22:14 KJV)

Don’t even look at any “strange women.” If you do, you will utter perverse things. Proverbs 23:33

(Exo 20:14 KJV) Thou shalt not commit adultery.

GOD STILL DOES PUNISH THE SIN OF ADULTERY/POLYGAMY

Jesus says that to marry another, other than your first, is adultery (Mark 10:1-12). In Matthew 19:8, Jesus clearly says that if a man divorces a women other than for marital unfaithfulness,and marries another women it is deemed adultery. In such a context, can a man have more than one wife ?

Mark 10:1-12 Anyone arguing for the acceptability of polygamy must deal with Jesus’ explicit statement: “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.” Taking another spouse is adultery against the first spouse.

It is also simply a non sequitur to suggest that because the narrator does not comment on the polygamous practices of the patriarchs, the narrator therefore approves of them.
“27‘Y ou have heard that it was said, “You shall not commit adultery.” 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Matthew 5.27,28

Yes it in the New Testament sin means having sex wrongfully with someone you are not entitled to have sex with

In Jesus’ teaching on divorce, He pinpoints God’s original intent on marriage. Consider: “6 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7 ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, 8and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh.” Mark 10.6-8

“1 Now King Solomon loved many foreign women, along with the daughter of Pharaoh: Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite women, 2from the nations concerning which the LORD had said to the people of Israel, ‘You shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you, for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods.’ Solomon clung to these in love. 3He had 700 wives, princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart… 9And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice” 1 Kings 11.1-3, 9

Just because we CAN do any thing does not mean we should. Solomon knew right from wrong. And he chose the latter.

“Does God endorse sin?” and the answer is *no*. God never endorses sin because if He did it would be a contradiction and God would not be a perfect God of righteousness. God can never encourage sin, but He can allow or permit sin to flourish.

“3And David came to his house at Jerusalem. And the king took the ten concubines whom he had left to care for the house and put them in a house under guard and provided for them, but did not go in to them. So they were shut up until the day of their death, living as if in widowhood.” 2 Samuel 20.3

Not only did David not have a sexual relationship with them, he also did not have a marriage relationship with them. Thus, he preserved his monogamous relationship with Bathsheeba.

polygamy is not condoned or allowed in the Bible because it goes against God’s very plan for the marriage covenant, the union of one male and one female to become one flesh, and because it is an act of adultery. Those who point to examples of David, Solomon, and other Old Testament saints have made the mistake that a report of what took place is equal to the sanctioning of an event. As we can see, this inference is not at all necessary to make, and is quite a logical jump. In fact, if we pause to consider the teaching of tota scriptura, all of Scripture, we see that polygamy is expressly forbidden and that these individuals were sinning against God.

When God created Adam, and saw it was not good for him to be alone, God gave Adam a wife—one wife, not three or seven. This alone should be enough to persuade us of the wrongness of polygamy. Yet polygamy existed in patriarchal times. And when we look at the lives of the patriarchs, it is more than obvious that their polygamous lives did not produce good fruit. Abraham’s polygamy with Hagar produced envy and strife in his family (Gen. 16:6, 21:8-10). Jacob’s two wives produced a harvest of envy, competition, resentment, and fraternal hatred (Gen. 29-31, 36-37). Polygamy is not portrayed in a positive light in the patriarchs.
http://thisblogchoseyou.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/polygamy-and-the-bible/

God in the New Testament DID not tell us to practice monogamy as we see in
(Eph 5:22 KJV) Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
(Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(Eph 5:24 KJV) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:25 KJV) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
(Eph 5:26 KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
(Eph 5:27 KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
(Eph 5:28 KJV) So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
(Eph 5:29 KJV) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
(Eph 5:30 KJV) For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
(Eph 5:31 KJV) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two ( not 2 or more) shall be one flesh.
(Eph 5:32 KJV) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
(Eph 5:33 KJV) Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife ( singular) even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
(1 Tim 3:2 KJV) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
(1 Tim 3:12 KJV) Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
(Titus 1:6 KJV) If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

Polygamy wasn’t included before ‘Paradise was Lost‘. As we see in Adam and Eve (not plural Eves, Nor Adam and Steve too), and the general guideline for marriage ((Gen 2:24 KJV) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife:9 Singular and nto polral too) and they shall be one flesh. 25 And they were both ( just 2) naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.) where we see that monogamy was God’s perfect will.
God in the Old testament had permitted many things, such as divorce (Matthew 5:31-32; Mark 10:2-12), being that their hearts were hard. But not in the New Testament now..

Still 1 Kings 11 shows that Polygamy is quite foolish. Joining yourself with multiple people has spiritual, psychological and applicational problems.

http://apologetiks.com/2008/05/14/the-bibles-view-on-polygamy/

The false trend toward greater acceptance of sin:

As time progresses, American culture becomes acceptant of behaviors that our forefathers would have renounced adamantly.
Some of the first behaviors to be accepted culturally were adultery [sex outside the bonds of matrimony], cohabitation [an unwed couple living together], and pornography. Originally considered both shameful and illegal, adultery and cohabitation are now widely practiced and accepted both legally and culturally. Pornography is not only legal, but widely popular in every sector of our society.

Abortion has become widely accepted both culturally and legally. Prior to 1973, many people did not even know what abortion was. Even after its legalization, most condemned it personally, but often felt it should still be a private decision. Now this atrocity to our unborn is widely accepted and practiced all across America.
Prostitution has become viewed less shamefully than it had in the past. One county in our nation has legalized prostitution.
Homosexuality is now accepted as a normal form of sexuality. First the American Psychiatric Association declared it was no longer a disease. Then the public began to accept it as “normal”. And in 2004, the courts said that homosexuals should be allowed to marry one another.

The Bible tells us that those who fail to glorify God will accept and practice increasing sin:
“Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”[Romans 1:32]

Polygamy: the next false sin to be accepted?

Is polygamy next? After that, what will be the next sins that our society will accept? Shall we also accept group marriages, and pedophilia? Where does it end?

What the Bible says:
The Bible clearly gives God’s intent for marriage and sexuality. God created our bodies for Him, not so that we can do with it whatever we want. God’s will is that no one would use their body in any way contrary to His plan.
“The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.” [I Corinthians 6:13] “Therefore, honor God with your body.” [I Corinthians 6:20]
“The precepts of the LORD are right, giving joy to the heart.” [Psalm 19:8]
Let us not forget what God did to the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah:
“In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire”. [Jude 7]
“Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens.” [Genesis 19:24]
http://www.eadshome.com/polygamy.htm
Read the Bible, all of it and the references

GOD STILL DOES PUNISH THE SIN OF ADULTERY/POLYGAMY http://pbulow.tripod.com/adultery.html http://pbulow.tripod.com/polygamy.htm

Generally these days it is the wife who wrongfully files for divorce, and before that it used to be the men. These days the too often dirty lawyers who make blood money from divorce, are wolves in sheep clothing now picturing themselves and the spouse to the courts, as good persons, decent, honest, reliable, falsely claiming her now to be a totally good , honest person, and not another typical liar too.

The lawyers who tend to be too often liars themselves they like to present the female spouse before the Queen’s courts, before the supposedly reputable judge, who in my witness, experiences actual too often is also now a liar, pretender himself, a person who does not get off the bench cause he is too lazy to ascertain the truth of the facts being presented to him or her.

The lawyers like to present the wife as a decent, respected, good, moral person who now has provided faithfully for her husband, she did not, does not abuse any them not even her bad husband, she does not cheat, lie or steal now as well.

The still mostly liars like to present her as an a good person, whereas more likely in reality she also is another demon. In fact men and women tend to be equal sinners, before God and man. In fact the same spouse she likely has slandered, lied, committed adultery, even stole from her spouse and now she will keep on lying, perjuring herself hoping next to get a good alimony support from her spouse.

Many a person when they see these people divorcing they really tend next not to recognize them and their behavior, for it clearly is different from what they had known before, were used too in fact.

All of a sudden clearly new now openly monsters here have arisen. In reality the wife is not the mostly innocent, the sole injured party and the husband is not the sole bad guy, villain too.

All of these mostly immoral, lying now people, bad pastors, bad spouses, bad lawyers, bad judges tend to first need decent, real, pastoral counseling themselves.
Christian Lies, Divorce And/or Christian Divorce Remarriage, (as well as adultery, fornication , Alcoholism, drugs, smoking, gays) In the Christian Church are ALL still unacceptable.

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by thenonconformer on September 21, 2008 • Permalink

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Neither give place to the devil.

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(Acts 20:29 KJV) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

(Acts 20:30 KJV) Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

(Acts 20:31 KJV) Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

(Acts 20:32 KJV) And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

(Acts 20:33 KJV) I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel.

(Acts 20:34 KJV) Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

(Acts 20:35 KJV) I have showed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

(2 Tim 3:2 KJV) For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

(2 Tim 3:3 KJV) Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

(2 Tim 3:4 KJV) Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

(2 Tim 3:5 KJV) Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

(2 Tim 3:6 KJV) For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

(2 Tim 3:7 KJV) Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I was once taken by surprise when a professing evangelical founding Baptist church pastor said to me he did not accept negative comments in his church, and he did not talk about sins now too.. yes he was next the same immoral Pastor who had said he could not understand what Hitler now did that was so bad.. so I helped to fire him, he rightfully is no long a church pastor

Firstly Mormons do not believe that Jesus Christ is God himself so we have no similiar beliefs. All Mormons are really lost still too, they are all going to Hell still next too. As simple as that.

Morons are not Holy Spirit led, they admit that they still are man led rather so they do not know the Bible spirtual truths, and so they can’t understand it still.

Speaking of false oppressions the Mormons tend to be the biggest false persons, hypocrites I also do know.. I openly and rightfully have no use for their lies, distortions, pretence too.. for they even mostly lie when they claim they even know and read the Bible for otherwise they would not be so dumb to contradict it all the time.. in their mostly false doctrines, false teachings now too.

God was never married, and he never had sex with anyone too.. Jesus is not the twin of the devil, rather Jesus still he is God himself.. he Jesus had said I and the father are one.

(John 10:30 KJV) I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

and no Mormon add on, re-interpretations, additional distortions are needed. the verse is straightforward and a simple one..

Water itself exists in three states, solid, liquid and gas and so does God The creator HIMSELF can certainly duplicate his CREATIONS STILL TOO..

NOW God, his Son, and the Spriit of Christ, God, the Holy Spirit are one still too, even though each one OF THEM is an indivual person, and each one of them do even personally talk to me too today.

(John 14:21 KJV) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(John 14:23 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our (Plural) abode with him.

(John 14:26 KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(John 15:4 KJV) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

(John 15:5 KJV) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

(John 15:6 KJV) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

(John 15:7 KJV) If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

The Mormons should stop listening to all of their false prophets, false elders, false apostles, false teachers and start to really talk to and to listen to Jesus and his Holy Spirit. Almost 99 percent of real Christians, evangelicals, Catholics, Pentecostals rightfully do believe Mormons are not Christians, are a cult.

I also do not have to work to get in Heaven, for already I am in Heaven now, I am with God, with His son and His Holy Spirt now, I already do have a relationship with all three of them now.. and the rest of the persons being in Hell now is them now being seperated from all three of them, from the Trinity.. by even their own confessions too.. for you cannot have one and not have the others..

(Mat 19:21 KJV) Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

(Luke 6:40 KJV) The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

(John 17:23 KJV) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

(Rom 12:2 KJV) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

(Gal 3:3 KJV) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

(Eph 4:13 KJV) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

(Rev 3:2 KJV) Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” 2 Corinthians 11:3-4

One of the best way to catch fish, suckers is to use a snared hook, loaded with genuine live bait, a genuine sounding such as one lying to the unsuspecting person and telling them, guaranteeing them a Divine Appointment that you will next share with them, and only the whole truth.. all now based solely on the solid rock of the preserved Word of God, even as God himself now opens doors for me to touch the lives of others, and WOW, Unbelievable, and sadly YES too often that is true.. Unbelievable.. all occurring sadly of course by the PRESENTER, AUTHOR unacceptably neglecting to tell them all beforehand about the hidden lies, the false hooks of course!!!

The false hooks of mere man’s interpretations, mere men’s teachings and not God’s now as well.. a false detour, deviation actually next from the real truth in the Bible, even from the Holy Sprit’s personal teachings now to, all made now to make sure you will never see God’s whole truths. Mind you and do note how how really subtle the devil is here now too. Not surprisingly the devil also now uses the same techniques when he uses the Mormons, the Jehovah Witnesses, and others to get you hooked on their distortions, lies, reinterpretations too..

I too now have learned decades and decades ago that the Brethren are most often deceitful in their evangelcial outreach, presentations.. meaning that they speak with a forked toungue, and meaning they generally are not straightforward and honest, immediately forthcoming what they realy believe in, who they really are now firstly too, and so we all have to beware of them.. and now I have known much too many of them too.. and I had next found just a few of them that were really honest, Christians, only a very, very small portion

“I have learned decades and decades ago that the Brethren are deceitful.. ” they always have their own comments, reinterpretation the Bible.. their own false context and many of them are rightfully now going to hell… they like to tell people what to do, but do not like others to tell them the truth about themselves.

by the way most of my family on my wife’s side are Plymouth brethren, still they cheat, lies, steal, slander, commit adultery and they are all undeniably going to hell, with their bad pastors, deacons, elders too..

All of us Living by faith for God to supply our needs, God alone to guide, lead us is not an option..

The brethren love to preach about the life of Rev George Muller who lived by faith, but they themselves lack faith for God to supply the needs so they now sell his books AND why do they lack faith? faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.. but they still are mostly listen listen to mere men, men’s commentaries, dictionaries too and not to God himself and Jesus said my sheep hear my voice.. they cannot hear his voice..

When I look at a new professing Christian site such as vision20twenty and it makes the typical generall proclamations that they will next guide and lead us into all truth, and only will offer the whole truth, and that they are also non denominational, real Christians, who now do promote now only the Bible and nothing more than that and based on my past encounters, expericnes now I can most often be rest assured they are mere wolves in sheep clothing, the false Brethren with their false dispensational doctrines… including nopw http://vision20twenty.org/ where” God gave man a new dispensation (stewardship) of truth”

Especially too when there are few Dispensationalist who do even agree with each other, who do even believe in most of the same things, do as well accept the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit, or the present existence of the of 5 fold New testament Biblical Ministry offices of Ephesians.

(Mat 19:21 KJV) Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

(Luke 6:40 KJV) The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

(John 17:23 KJV) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

(Rom 12:2 KJV) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

(Gal 3:3 KJV) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

(Eph 4:13 KJV) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

(Rev 3:2 KJV) Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Do see my posts on what a real Christian is.. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/what-does-it-really-mean-to-follow-jesus-christ/

I have learned decades and decades ago that most of the Brethren not just the too many bad pastors are also deceitful, nasty, abuseful and really unacceptably bad.. they falsely are control freaks, who falsely love to practise divorce, even the silent treatment to those who do not give them what they want.. do now see also the postings on the topics in http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/

The too common abusive silent treatment

Verbal abuse is always unacceptable too.

Deliberate unforgiveness

Control freaks

More about Control freaks. Fears

Can a person change?

Too many preachers, teachers, people overly simplify the Gospel and distort it. Ostriches too tend to deny the negative truths of the Bible still too.

The world most famous evangelist had mislead the people, lied and had said Come to Christ and he will solve all of your problems, marital ones included.. Misleading for God rather may let your spouse divorce you instead for your own benefit too.

and in reality God will forgive your sins, but still likely allow you to reap some of the related negative consequences so that the next time you be less tempted to do it again.. for we have this treasure in earthen vessels

(Eph 4:26 KJV) Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

(Eph 4:27 KJV) Neither give place to the devil.

(Eph 4:28 KJV) Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

(Eph 4:29 KJV) Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

(Eph 4:30 KJV) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

(Eph 4:31 KJV) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

(Eph 4:32 KJV) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.

(Eph 5:1 KJV) Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

Some people lie and say anger is a sin, but even God gets angry at sin, ignorance and a lot more..

The road to Hell itself is paved often now with our good intentions and those of others now as well. Sad!

James 1:19-25 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” 2 Corinthians 11:3-4

Daniel 7:25, “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” Daniel 8:12, “And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it CAST DOWN THE TRUTH TO THE GROUND; and it practiced, and prospered.”

2 Thessalonians 2:10. “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” 11, “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.” 12, “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18)

Too many persons, especially any recent converts are either unaware, or unwilling to examine, accept the official historic position of their church, denomination, the views of the critics now too . the truth is not often known even because too often the bad leaders, not only hide the truth, they do not openly encourage a review, or disclose the negative aspects of their sect, cult, denomination in reality. We have to still personally judge and examine always all we hear, see , read..

Still many persons too often when next told the whole truth their first reaction is, “My church doesn’t teach that!” Study, read the proof for yourself firstly! Examine the hidden agendas too. Even note this many of critics have too often false hidden biases and agendas now..

John 2:3-4, KJV, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” (Galatians 3:10) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4; see also Acts 15:28-29) “Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness” (Romans 4:3). This is how a person is justified and found righteous before God, and this is how a person lives a righteous life, by faith (Galatians 3:11). It is not by keeping the law of God, because “if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21). Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them. (Hebrews 13:9; see also Mark 7:14-19)

Contrary to the gospel of the New Testament, of Jesus, and the Apostles, the Seventh day Adventists falsely teach that observance of all of the Old testament law as being still binding on all Christians today. “Adventists do differ from other Christians in that they celebrate the Bible sabbath from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday. They the Seventh day Adventists falsely believe that all of past the laws of God are still binding on Christians today and that those who love Jesus will keep all of His, God’s commandments. Very misleading too.

“Moreover, in their commandments of men, Adventists advocate a vegetarian diet. God undeniably created meat so we can it it.. but moderation, and self control are still always required. For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving. (1 Timothy 4:4) Scripture does not promote a vegetarian diet as “healthier.” What Scripture basically promotes as “healthier” is firstly the attention to the wisdom of God, which, by the way, promotes the eating of meat (Genesis 9:3; 18:1-8; Leviticus 10:14; Deuteronomy 12:15, 20-21; 27; Proverbs 9:2; 1 Corinthians 10:25; 1 Timothy 4:4) My son, give attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart; for they are life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh. (Proverbs 4:20-22) It is the word of God that gives longer life” (Psalm 91:16; Proverbs 3:1-2; Ephesians 6:2-3), makes one “healthier” (Proverbs 3:7-8; 4:20-22), and makes one “happier,” as it is written, Happy is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gains understanding; for her proceeds are better than the profits of silver, and her gain than fine gold. (Proverbs 3:13-14; see also Psalm 128:1-2; 144:15; 146:5; Proverbs 3:18; 14:21; 16:20; 28:14; 29:18; Romans 14:22)”

The Seventh-day Adventist church they believe the Bible teaches that the state of man in death is unconsciousness and also the Adventists reject the Biblical truth of an eternal hell of torment. This “unconscious state” is a Fundamental Belief of the Adventist church (” . . . death is an unconscious state for all people, ” Fundamental Beliefs, #25 www.adventist.org/beliefs/index.html, ).

They here too are fundamentally wrong. Please note that in Luke 16:19-30. Both Abraham and the rich man are very much conscience, yet both of their bodies are in the grave (Genesis 25:7-9; Luke 16:22). Not only is God going to “realize that in His universe souls” are “suffering torment” that will never end, but they will suffer in His very presence (e.g. Revelation 14:10-11); people will go out and look at them (Isaiah 66:24); and the righteous (Psalm 58:9-10), the daughters of Jerusalem (Psalm 97:7-9), creation (Psalm 96:10-13), and God Himself will rejoice over their judgment (Psalm 104:31; Luke 10:21-23; Revelation 18:20; 19:1-7). Revelation 20:10 And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Note also the things they the Seventh day Adventists too now have in common with the false cults of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, and many others now too.. contradicting the word of God.

“SDA’s share their early history with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. An early Adventist, N. H. Barbour co-published with Charles Taze Russell. They had a falling out over (what else?) dates for the end of the world! (1844 and 1874), and parted company.

Both, however, kept heretical doctrines to this day like Jesus being Michael the Archangel, the denial of Hell, and both still advocate soul sleep. Both invented invisible occurrences in heaven for their failed dates for Christ’s visible return, investigative judgment for the SDA’s and Christ’s invisible “presence” for Jehovah’s Witnesses.

There is Mormon link also for the SDA’s. It is a proven fact that Ellen G. White plagiarized most of her writings. The Church has been challenged by Walter Rea, author of the White Lie to prove that even 20% of her writings are original. They can’t. Their weak defense was that there were no copyright laws in Ellen’s day, so what she did was legal. You will never be told of her plagiarism by the SDA’s.

As Ellen was rising to prominence, Joseph Smith had just died. Her writings contain many phrases used by Joseph Smith. Mind you, he has also been accused of plagiarism. I have a thick file of similarities, but time does not permit details at this time, but it does illustrate just how far her “borrowing” went.

SDA’s often make every effort to appear “evangelical”, joining in with inter-ministry groups and trying to “blend in” with the Christian community.

They consider themselves to be exclusive, and spiritually superior to the rest of of the professing Christians too.” Pride cometh before a great fall.

Please do see also

http://savedbyhisblood.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-jesus-of-seventh-day-adventism/

http://www.truthorfables.com/

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/sda/adventi.htm

.. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/what-does-it-really-mean-to-follow-jesus-christ/

Some people, hypocrites are so ready to preach to the others but they clearly cannot sill live the truth they preach themselves. I too rightfully would like to see a sermon practiced, not one merely lip serviced..

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by thenonconformer on September 17, 2008 • Permalink

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Posted by thenonconformer on September 17, 2008

https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/neither-give-place-to-the-devil/

The false comforters

Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his [own] father and mother [in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God] and [likewise] his wife and children and brothers and sisters–[yes] and even his own life also–he cannot be My disciple. 27 Whoever does not persevere {and} carry his own cross and come after (follow) Me cannot be My disciple. 28 For which of you, wishing to build a farm building, does not first sit down and calculate the cost [to see] whether he has sufficient means to finish it? 29 Otherwise, when he has laid the foundation and is unable to complete [the building], all who see it will begin to mock {and} jeer at him, 30 Saying, This man began to build and was not able (worth enough) to finish. 31 Or what king, going out to engage in conflict with another king, will not first sit down and consider {and} take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand [men] to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 And if he cannot [do so], when the other king is still a great way off, he sends an envoy and asks the terms of peace. 33 So then, any of you who does not forsake (renounce, surrender claim to, give up, say good-bye to) all that he has cannot be My disciple.

Luke 12:51 Do you suppose that I have come to give peace upon earth? No, I say to you, but rather division; Luke 12:52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided [among themselves], three against two and two against three. Luke 12:53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

While I totally support marriage as an essential basis of stability, morality as well in our civilization, Marriage ( Or related sex) itself is not our final goal, or the answer to all of life’s problem.. And sadly too many married people are even sinfully too self centered. Jesus UNDENIABLY firstly is the answer to the problems of life and the goal of life even for pastors, who seem too often to be sex maniacs, adulterers now too… Todd Bentley and all of the others do note especially this too

(1 Cor 2:2 KJV) For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

(1 Cor 2:4 KJV) And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

If you put Jesus first be ready to pay the price for it even from your spouse, relatives, in-laws, others who very likely will mock you and discourage you from doing so cause they have wrongfully chosen now now to do so as well. Be willing to pay the price for follwing after JESUS now too

(Mark 8:34 KJV) And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it. 36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

(Micah 7:2 KJV) The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net. 3 That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up. 4 The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity.

(Micah 7:5 KJV) Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom. 6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man’s enemies are the men of his own house.

(Micah 7:7 KJV) Therefore I will look unto the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation: my God will hear me.

(Micah 7:8 KJV) Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me. 9 I will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I have sinned against him, until he plead my cause, and execute judgment for me: he will bring me forth to the light, and I shall behold his righteousness.

(Micah 7:10 KJV) Then she that is mine enemy shall see it, and shame shall cover her which said unto me, Where is the LORD thy God? mine eyes shall behold her: now shall she be trodden down as the mire of the streets.

(1 Cor 7:29 KJV) But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;

(1 Cor 7:30 KJV) And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;

(1 Cor 7:31 KJV) And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.

(1 Cor 7:32 KJV) But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:

(1 Cor 7:33 KJV) But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

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by thenonconformer on September 2, 2008 • Permalink

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Posted by thenonconformer on September 2, 2008

https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/the-false-comforters/

Evangelicals & Politics

“The era of reducing Christianity to a narrow set of ideological commitments is over. The notion that Christianity in general and evangelicalism in particular are by nature right-wing creeds has always been wrong. How can a faith built around a commitment to the poor and the vulnerable be seen as leading ineluctably to conservative political conclusions? And when political commentators talk about “evangelicals,” they are almost always talking about white evangelicals, forgetting that millions of African Americans are devout evangelical Christians. In 2004, Warren took the view that Christians should vote on a short list of “nonnegotiable” issues, including abortion, gays. Warren also declared: “Jesus’s agenda is far bigger than just one or two issues. . . . We have to care about poverty, we have to care about disease, we have to care about illiteracy, we have to care about corruption in government, sex trafficking.” That is the new politics of evangelical Christianity. “

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/18/AR2008081801850.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns

Christians do not follow the self centered conservative Republicans, or the immoral Liberal democrat agendas rather they solely are to follow Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit himself and the Bible. True Christians care about honesty, justice, morality, fairness, human rights, poverty, the poor, helping others, love, sickness, sick, elderley, young persons etc.,

(Isa 61:1 KJV) The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

(Judg 3:10 KJV) And the spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushanrishathaim.

(Judg 6:34 KJV) But the spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet; and Abiezer was gathered after him.

(Judg 11:29 KJV) Then the spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.

(Judg 13:25 KJV) And the spirit of the LORD began to move him at times in the camp of Dan between Zorah and Eshtaol.

(Judg 14:19 KJV) And the spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father’s house.

(1 Sam 10:6 KJV) And the spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.

(1 Sam 16:13 KJV) Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

(1 Sam 16:14 KJV) But the spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

(2 Sam 23:2 KJV) The spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

(1 Chr 28:12 KJV) And the pattern of all that he had by the spirit, of the courts of the house of the LORD, and of all the chambers round about, of the treasuries of the house of God, and of the treasuries of the dedicated things:

(2 Chr 20:14 KJV) Then upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, came the Spirit of the LORD in the midst of the congregation;

(Isa 11:2 KJV) And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

(Isa 40:7 KJV) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.

(Isa 57:15 KJV) For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

(Isa 59:19 KJV) So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

(Isa 63:14 KJV) As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name.

(Ezek 11:5 KJV) And the Spirit of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them.

(Ezek 37:1 KJV) The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

(Dan 5:14 KJV) I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee.

(Micah 3:8 KJV) But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

(Acts 5:9 KJV) Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

(1 Cor 2:12 KJV) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

(2 Cor 3:3 KJV) Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.

(2 Cor 3:17 KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

(2 Cor 3:18 KJV) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

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by thenonconformer on September 1, 2008 • Permalink

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Posted by thenonconformer on September 1, 2008

https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/evangelicals-politics/

the posts the Lakeland Revival bashers seem to despise

Florida Healing Outpouring with Todd Bentley: 30 Reasons for Healing (16-30)

27 06 2008

First, Roy Fields is back! Others leading has been moving, but there is something about him that changes the atmosphere. Roy, welcome back. Second if you are in Lakeland Fl on the 4th of July there will be free food. From 4-7pm, next Friday there be a celebration with free food. This will also lead into a water Baptism service. I am just thrilled for both of these events. The first shows a desire to reach out to host community and give back to those who have given so much. As important, the second is another example of how Fresh Fire and Ignited are taking care and shepherding those who are making profession of faith under their leadership.

Another fun fact, there is now a medical doctor who is reviewing all the medical reports about healing. The desire for accountability and integrity is great in Lakeland. One of the assistants said there is a four step process for those who take the stage professing healing
1 Pastor volunteers from around the world, screen and test, those who claim to have received healing
2 This is then relayed to those who bring the person on stage, to ensure what is shared is consistent
3 After they are on the platform, a survey is filled out with symptoms, sign of healing and contacts.
4 FOLLOW UP! 1-2 weeks a phone call is made to see how they are doing.

Just some random quotes form Todd Bentley… he really does use the name of Jesus.
(This is just a sample, to show who the glory goes to)

“We are encouraging people to see doctors after healings. I believe in medicine”
“It is the power of Jesus. We are powerless without the power of the Holy Ghost
“Can we give thanks to Jesus for this.”
“We want to give all we can, leally, to the media to give the glory to Jesus.”
“We give all the glory to Jesus”
“Can we give Jesus all the glory tonight?”
while praying for healing, “Two new ankles in Jesus mighty name”

30 Reasons for Healings #16-30 (all verses NIV)

16. He does what he pleases – God is sovereign and healing happens because God chooses too.
17. Charitable Giving- (whole chapters but verses) Acts 9: 36 In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor and Acts10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. Based on these verses miracles happens as a direct result of charitable giving. It would seem that when we take care of the pour, God reaches and extra measure of the miracles.
18. The Gospel – Mark 16:19-20 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. Healing is good news and, according to Todd, the Gospel is the power of God as well as the message of salvation
19. I am a friend of God’s – John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. God hears the prayers of His friends. What do you do for your “true” friends? The deeper the intimacy with God, the deeper the friendship. Is God your friend, because there seems to be many who understand Jehovah but do not understand Abba. Abba, is the characteristic of a deep personal relationship.
20. The Glory of God – John 11:4 When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.”
21. The cures of the Law – Romans 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. Healings show that you free from the law of sin and death.
22. Desperation: Mark 5:27 When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak, Sometime people need a touch so bad they push trough to get it. “if only this small amount” They are the ones who are desperate enough to reach out and get healed

23. Connection locked up

24. Name of God – Exodus 15:26 He said, “If you listen carefully to the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, who heals you.”

25. Communion – 1 Corinthians 11:29-30 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. This would seem to be a reason why you are not, but if it bring sickness maybe it bring healing (my thought on it, time was short so the last were real quick)

26. Gift of the Spirit- There was no verse give to justify this, but 1 Corinthians12:9-109to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

27. The name of Jesus – Triune God, Jesus is God see #24

28. The nature of the Holy Spirit – God creates when the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit moves. It was after Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. That God said, “Let there be light.” IF the Spirit lives with us, then he is moving, we should expect creation (new body parts is creation).
29. I am Saved – James 5:15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Faith is a gift of the Spirit and only saved people have this. So salvation, brings faith, faith brings healing. And, yes because Jesus forgave my sins.
30. Kingdom of God- Mathew 6:10 Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. There is no sickness in the Kingdom, God preformes creation in His kingdom, there are miricals in the Kingdom, let it be so here

These are the second half of the 30 reasons, each with scripture refrances. People you may not like Todd Bentley, but please be careful arguing against the word of God. For those around Todd, let him know I said “thanks for the teaching, it has meant a lot to me.”

On a personal note: I blew out my knee today, while walking down some stairs. It hurt to move or even put pressure on it. Tonight, during the broadcast, I WAS HEALED. Proof of this, I wrote this whole blog standing up.

http://allenwilson.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/florida-healing-outpouring-with-todd-bentley-30-reasons-for-healing-16-30/

the Lakeland critics seem to be led by the devil..

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks, persons, civil and public servants, politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

http://postedat.wordpress.com/

Do see also

http://pbulow.tripod.com/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/

http://www.socyberty.com/Advice/Are-You-a-Control-Freak.101788

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/wrongful-accusations/

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/

TOO OFTEN FALSE BASH OF PENTACOSTALS HEALERS

Mark 16:17 And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages;
Mark 16:18 They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.
Mark 16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after He had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and He sat down at the right hand of God.
Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord kept working with them and confirming the message by the attesting signs {and} miracles that closely accompanied [it]. Amen (so be it).

In contrast I read on the net what the bullies, bashers say about healings, miracles.

http://hiscrivener.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/faith-healers-could-encounter-a-setback-at-the-altar/
http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/george-banovs-blasphemous-prophecy-at-todd-bentleys-ordination/

It should be clear to most of us, the bad guys do not like my pages still.. it shows them in their true light.. the bad guys, bullies, bashers or what ever?

THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS IS SICKENING, A VERY POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY NOW ALSO TYPICAL OF THE MUCH TOO OFTEN FALSE BASHING OF THE PENTECOSTALS TOO! It clearly makes me think that Satan himself is behind most of it still too.

And what about the Phoney wars and phoney peace by the professing Christians now too..
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/

As to bullies question to me.. ““are you ranting”… my how you still do like to bash, insult people.. you do not know them even well enough to falsely even try to judge them, your approach is quite immature and unspiritual too.. looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/

I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone, cause you do not act like it for sure… nor do I hope you abuse all the people like that who make a post here.. a sure way to next lose many people still too. Stay in God’s love and not rather in the flesh.. we may not agree, do have a right to differ, but we still do need to show love to the others. Need more input from me on the subject.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites.. ”

It is very clear that the much too many false Critics of the Pentecostals will try to grasp at any straws to falsely bash the Pentecostal and still try to justify their own immoral acts..

Any Christian being plagued with critics, opponents, unsubstantiated personal attacks too now, is really nothing new even to the past apostles, prophets , Jesus Christ himself who have face many similar bullies, groups etc., the devil is too ready an accuser of the Brethren, and tries to continually discredit any work of God even since the time of Jesus Christ himself now too even using inapplicable and distorted Biblical reasons and Bible verses now too.

I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings any of of the latter rain churches..

A MAJORITY OF THE CRITICS OF THE LATTER DAY REVIVALS, are too clearly their now too often diverting back wrongfully the topic discussions, and themslves making often personal insulting, unacceptable derogatory remarks and even their evidently their typical unChristlike bullying Reponses, self righteous, a superiority attitude, and what else? is not the right approach from anyone and it does continue to reflect poorly on ALL OF THEM STILL too…

THE WAY THEY THEMSELVES DO UNDENIABLY POINT FINGERS AT THEIR SELF DEFINED OPPONENTS, IN A JUDGMENTAL MANNER, UNLOVING, UNKIND, UNJUSTIFIABLE MANNER IS CLEARLY THE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE NOW TOO. And very revealing what they are firstly like themselves
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/understanding-me-and-others-better/

“I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real absurdity. I myself though have opposed Todd Bentley’s associated with some really bad pastors, trying to make money form selling items at the revival.. and his false application for divorce..

Hey Critics, Don’t get desperate but get real… like I have rightfully said I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings of any of the latter rain churches..

I did not say Charismatic supposedly churches.. cause we know those often mean rather the Catholic Pentecostals..

as to what the Bible says is only how you here do interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit.

I have been a Christian for 50 years and a Pentecostal pastor for the last 30 years, and I have attended the latter day churches too and often.. and specifically what about you? not the supposed others..

The Latter Rain movement was rejected by the AOG Pentecostals in 1948 as heretical… and what they are speaking for God now.. dream on.. There are other pentecostal persons, denominations who support them, approve of them, me included. The AOG has it’s own falsehoods, and problems it needs to look at.. (Mat 7:3 KJV) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

The Full Gospel Business Men’s fellowship uses a similar latter rain approach for decades now too.
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/laying-of-hands-impartation-breathe-of-the-spirit-anointings-anointed/

Too many persons are bashing other Pentecostals with clearly a hidden agenda, jealousy, and it is still the wrong thing to do so now too.. they are not even doing it in love or humility Cleary as required by the Bible now too. ”

Even because Evangelical Fundamentalism, dispensationalists, too often also replaces the worship of God , the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the sole worship of the Bible, bypassing the works of the Holy Spirit it seems, though most Fundamentalists will deny that. Liberalism, too, replaces the worship of God, and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the worship of something else. In the case of Liberalism, however, the worship of God was replaced by the worship of mere human reason , and both groups are not that far apart, for they are are in error.

Fundamentalists worship every word and letter in the Bible. Actually, they worship their own private re-interpretation of scripture (compare 2 Peter 1:20). This is the same error that the Pharisees fell into. They ended up worshiping Torah more than God, and, even more than Torah, they worshiped their own interpretations (and the interpretations of the elders) of Torah. (They still do so today, only now they have codified those traditions into the Talmud.) Likewise, so do Fundamentalists worship their own interpretation of Scripture. In both cases, “they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.” (Romans 1:25).

Fundamentalists and Liberals too need to learn the truth of 2 Corinthians 3:6, “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” They need to seek God in SPIRIT and in Truth. Liberals need to learn the truth of John 4:23 (quoted above) and of John 6:63, “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.” They need to seek God in Spirit and in TRUTH.   http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/12941.htm

hard to tell the difference

Reality! These days it is too hard to tell the difference between secular persons and even evangelical pastors, elders, deacons too for they all seem to do the same bad things too.. adultery, alcoholism, gossip, slander, divorce..

And when I see shallow arguments of anyone still limiting today as to what God today can do, even through us, EVEN ABOUT HEALING, it makes me rightfully also think how shallow their Christian faith now really is.. they are still babies in the Lord and need someone to teach them the whole truth, the whole , full gospel too, for my God can do anything, Jesus is the same , yesterday, today and forever.

ON TOP OF THAT I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW SO MANY OF THESE SAME PERSONS PERSONS ALSO FALSELY RISE TO DEFEND SMOKING, WINE, ALCOHOL AS WELL AND WORK FULLY TO DENY IT IS SINFUL.. “Spurgeon was once asked when he would quit smoking cigars. He replied, “When it becomes a problem.” He was then asked, “When will it become a problem?” To which he replied, “When I smoke two at a time.” AND look at all the false justifications for Spurgeon’s sin.. and do see also alcoholism the unacceptable sin

When you talk about what the scriptures says you honestly should also point out that you mean it is how you now interpret what the scripture says.. cause too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly..

The people who also tell us to use only the Bible often still lie further to us.. they ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy spirit to next interpret the Bible.

(Eph 4:18 KJV) Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

I tend to look at both sides of the issues myself.. for that matter I have now been both non Christian, and Christian, both Baptist and Pentecostal, and both groups still do have major errors, weakness, inadequacies, and they now also have some good points too.. but still there is no such thing as a perfect denomination now as well

But one other thing often is clearly is evident to me visiting, reading the many so called Professing Christians sites mostly all telling us the supposed truth, postings often more with dishonest hidden agendas, poorly researched too, very biased now too.. It also seems to me they are also still are trying to convince themselves as to what is the truth is and no one else, they build up their own false straw arguments, and then do reply to their own arguments. It is generally too often now not an honest presentation, discussion of the topic they have presented. http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/todd-bentley-gets-annointed-by-special-oil-from-africa/

>>Pastors are going there by the droves. I know one personally. He went to Toronto to bring some of “it” back and he’s done the same thing with Lakeland. I think he thinks this will be the answer to filling the seats in his church, “http://christiantheology.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/depart-from-me-i-never-knew-you/

Did he really tell you that or are you in truth distorting, lying, falsely judging him and many others cause you are a controling person ?
I see nothing wrong in going there and I am real Christian now too

The nonconformer replied “I never knew you, is not a criticism by Jesus that the healings, miracles done by the person(s) were false.. but a true statement that they really never knew Jesus fully or personally, it seems to apply to you now firstly too. For no pastor, evangelist, healer IS PERFECT TO START OFF..

You are so sensitive to others being supposedly false, cause you clearly are false, now take the beam out of your own eye first.. Someone is wrong here and I don’t think it is that difficult (except perhaps for you) to determine who that is and that is you.. for you do twist Bible verses, slander, falsely quickly bash others to suit your own views..

Clearly Judas was an Apostle, better look at the definition of an Apostle, an Apostle is not an unchristian person.. and he was next replaced in the book of acts by another Apostle. The fact that Jesus knew that Judas would betray him does not mean he was not anointed.. but first better look at the meaning of the word anointed now.. one who evidences the Holy spirit.. with signs and wonders Acts 10:38

If you do not let the Holy spirit lead you as to what a verse actually means you are part of the Blind leading the blind now, forget trying to say the scripture cannot be wrong, rather you are wrong.. “You throw the term free will around as if it does not need to be defined. ” and yet you clearly in desperation rebuttal quoted back a verse that has nothing to do with one’s free will.

“You have contradicted now three times the Word of Jesus,” and what a further false and wrong, judgmental act on your part too, you so easily condemn a person whom you do not know, never met, another real Christian, a real Christian now over 50 years too, and I have been pastoring now for over 3 decades as a Pentecostal pastor too. So get a real life. Really do get Jesus.”

Why is it so many people try too limit the power of God, and they work so hard to try to tell us what God can and cannot do today.. for sure, definitely it is not only cause they are spiritually immature, have a hidden agenda, are promoting themselves, or they are unoriginal parrots who repeat what others have said , but it is often still mainly because Satan for sure is behind all this too.
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/discern-it/
Evangelical fundamental parrots often need to quote someone else cause they do not know the Holy spIrit well enough to let him lead them, even the truth about healing. I SPEAK FOR MYSELF. http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/64/
Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,

(Jer 32:27 KJV) Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks, persons, civil and public servants, politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

I undeniably could not help but notice on even the web too how supposedly British religious clergies, scholars, Christians, falsely also do bash American Pentecostal revivals? It is not being done out of jealousy too?

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/it-is-not-good-for-the-man-to-dwell-alone/

I have been on the net for over 2 decades, and I have thousands of readers regularly reading my posts. Hey I too have often said that there are many professing bashers, bullies, liars now even on the Christian internet and they think they alone can make the rules, enforce the rules on others, and that is too bad for them too for they need to grow up.. and to firstly get used to the right of free speech of others, other’s right to be heard and to male their own posts .. I only have about 30 internet sites written often for these bad hypocritical Christians now too so hopefully they too will learn the truth about themselves.. too bad guys do not like me to use my right of free speech.. so what else is new.. they by their bullying, control freak approach clearly show to all what hypocritical Christians they rather are! They are not humble servants of Jesus for sure.

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Jews and their own need of Salvation by Jesus Christ still too

(Acts 4:10 KJV) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

(Acts 17:31 KJV) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Like the Jews at the time of Jesus Christ here on earth too most people do not understand, do not want to admit the truth as to what realy happens to anyone after they do die here on earth.

The only truth for now and forever is that Jesus Christ is the sole way of salvation, there is no other way, name by which any man, Jew or gentile can be now or in the future saved by. No other way to escape Hell..

Now why does any person still falsely think or teach that 144,000 horsemen will come back for the Chosen race (the Jews) before the 2nd coming of Christ? Firstly they fail wrongfully to admit that Jews are no longer the chosen race, they the jews in God’s will, kingdom, reign have all now been replaced by the Christians, the Christians now are the chosen ones.

(Heb 9:27 KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The Bible says it is appointed for all men once to die and after that an immiedate, final judgement, they all next only go to heaven or hell immediately upon death based on what they, anyone did with Jesus Christ here on earth, accepted or rejected him, and there is no other path for one’s personal salvation, there no purgatory as well for any Jew or non Jew too. And now there is nothing Biblical in what anyone can as about the Jews positive future. Jesus is the only way of salvation for all. And these false Jewish oriented hopers, dreamers, teachers have still a a complete false assumption that the Bible next says that God will save all of the Jews or restablish the Jewish nation for this will never occur. Theirs is even the the same error that Apostle Judas had made That is why so many Jews next here on earth will be deceived by the antichrist, he will tell them the lies they want to hear.

Any persons falsely expecting a resurrected nation of Israel, a continuation of the Jewish religion, a totally Jewish controlled, dominated world next will be disspaointed for in reality any and all of the Jews positive present, future are now all actually dead as far as the Bible,and God are now concerned, and now and forever too. They the Jews will never be resurrected again to be a nation, a group or what ever under God’s will.

It is tragic, sad that too many people still cannot accept that truth, undeniable fact, that the Jews already had their chance to become Christians, they all had mostly rejected it, and so next it is the end of them as being anything of value, purpose in God’s sight, end..

(Rom 10:1 KJV) Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

(Rom 1:20 KJV) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (Rom 8:5 KJV) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

(Rom 8:14 KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

(Rom 9:7 KJV) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

(Rom 9:32 KJV) Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

(Rom 16:18 KJV) For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

But some people do still still try to grasp at non existent straws to bring back and save all or most of the Jews even at a later date.. These sad people their hope, views, beliefs are just as wrong, a false expectation as anyone expecting another chance for anyone, someone to get saved in Heaven next for a persons who has already died unsaved.

Look it at it’s simplicity, once there were the Jews as God’s chosen, now, next there are only the Christians, they are the chosen ones, and not the Jews In the future some more Jewish person will be saved and become Christians, but only a small remnant.. And then it is the end of the world. Jesus comes for all people, Christians included and not Christians and they will get what they had personally sowed and immediately. Heaven to be with Jesus, hell to be away from Jesus….

(1 Pet 4:17 KJV) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

(Heb 9:28 KJV) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Both Jews and Christians now by faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 3:25 KJV) Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

(Rom 4:3 KJV) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

(Rom 4:9 KJV) Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

(Rom 4:12 KJV) And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

(Rom 4:13 KJV) For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

(Rom 4:16 KJV) Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

(Gal 3:7 KJV) Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

(Gal 3:8 KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

(Gal 3:9 KJV) So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

(Gal 3:14 KJV) That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

(Gal 3:16 KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Both Jews and Arabs, are physically from the seed of Abraham so does that make all of Arabs now a Jew also? No for to be a true Jew means to follow a religion, that your great great great grand mother and father both followed.. Being born a Jew and not following the Jewish relgion did not make you truly a Jew..

But next we do know that perverts, Bible ignorant persons, liars want to play on these words and say we are all children of God, or we are all Jews, or whatever.. but in reality we all even Jews, are or were children of the devil, of the seed of th devil because Adam and Eve our great great great grand mother and father both had sinned..but Christians became next solleyof the seed of Jesus Christ.. yet becuase Jesus was born a Jew that did not make us all of Christians next Jews now too.. for it does not matter who your father was, without Jesus Christ you will be in hell still .

As the Bible says Abraham foresaw Jesus Christ and he believed in Him.. if you do not beleive in Jesus Christ and no matter who you are, even a Jew, you will go to Hell.. there are on earth only Christians and non Christains, and only Christians in Heaven. All Non Christians go to hell.

(Mat 1:1 KJV) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

(Mat 1:17 KJV) So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

(Mat 3:9 KJV) And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

(Mat 8:11 KJV) And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

(Luke 3:8 KJV) Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

(Luke 13:16 KJV) And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

(Luke 13:28 KJV) There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

(Luke 16:23 KJV) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

(Luke 19:9 KJV) And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

(John 8:53 KJV) Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

(John 8:56 KJV) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

(John 8:58 KJV) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

as for the Jews

(Acts 3:13 KJV) The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. so they the Jews chose to go to hell

now as to the seeds.. plural or is the seed singular.. ..

And not 2 seeds spirtually.. but yes he had 2 seeds physically.. Jews and Arabs if you beleive in Jesus Christ then Abraham is your examplary spiritual father of faith.. still Abraham is the son of Godm Jesus Christ like all Christians are too..

All Israel Shall Be Saved?

by Steve Wohlberg

Romans 11:26 says, “And so all Israel will be saved.” What does this mean?

Obviously, it doesn’t mean every Jew will be saved. In fact, the same chapter says God hopes to “save some of them” (vs. 14). Judas was a Jew, yet we know he will be lost for betraying Christ. Jesus called him, “the son of perdition” (John 17:12). Jesus told many Jews, “If you do not believe I am He [the Messiah], you will die in your sins” (John 8:24). Not every Jew believes in Jesus Christ, thus many will “die in their sins” and be lost.

Many Christians today interpret Romans 11:26 as applying to the end of the seven-year tribulation when Jesus appears in the clouds at His Second Coming. In other words, they don’t apply the verse to all Jews throughout history, but only to “all Jews” who are alive at the end. Supposedly, at the end of the tribulation, all remaining Jews in Israel will look up, see Christ coming in the clouds, realize He is the true Messiah, believe in Him, and thus “All Israel will be saved.”

This is a false teaching, as I will attempt to show.

First, the context of Romans 11 is not the Second Coming.
“There is no partiality with God” (Romans 2:5-11). It would be an act of partiality to save “all Jews” at the end, but not “all Jews” in history. The idea is, “When all final Jews see Christ coming in the clouds, then they will believe.” But this would give those final Jews a supposedly irresistible opportunity to believe in Jesus Christ which past Jews have not had. Nor would this be fair to “all Gentiles” living at the end. Why would God save all Jews at the end but not all Gentiles? All Gentiles will see Jesus coming just like all Jews.
When Christ finally appears in the clouds, IT’S TOO LATE TO BELIEVE IN HIM. Rev. 22:11,12 says that before He comes in the clouds, all decisions have already been made. Jesus said it will be like Noah’s day (Mat. 24:37-39). In Noah’s day the door of the ark closed before the flood came (Gen. 7:16). When the flood came, it was too late. To save all Jews AT THE SECOND COMING would be like saving all those outside the ark WHEN THE RAIN STARTED FALLING.
When Jesus comes in the clouds, this is the time of judgment upon ALL unbelievers who don’t know God nor obey the gospel (2 Thess. 1:7-10; Jude 14,15).

So what does this mean, “All Israel shall be saved”? First of all, Romans 9:6 says there are two Israels. one is an Israel according to the flesh (Romans 9:3,4) and the other is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:14-16). The Israel of God is composed of both Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:29). Gentiles who believe are grafted in. They become part of the “same body” with believing Jews (Eph. 3:6). Paul calls this unity of believing Jews and Gentiles, “the mystery of Christ” (Eph. 3:4).

The immediate context of Romans 11:26 is vs. 25. When “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,” then “all Israel will be saved.” Or, to be exact, “And so all Israel will be saved.” In other words, the coming in of the fullness or total number of the Gentiles results in “all Israel” being saved. Paul’s idea seems to be that when all Gentiles (totally, throughout history) have come in, that is, have been grafted into the Vine, they, uniting with all Jews who have become believers, will form the total number of the saved. Paul also reveals that when Gentiles come in, God can use this to motivate some Jews to believe (verses 11 & 14). Vs. 25 calls this whole thing, “this mystery,” which we have already proven to be the “mystery” of both Jews and Gentiles being united in one body through Christ (Eph. 3:4,6). Vs. 27 says all are saved because Christ takes away their sins through His covenant, which must be the New Covenant, which applies to all believers, Jew and Gentile. Thus the “all Israel” that is saved is the total group of believing Gentiles and Jews combined.

The “all Israel that is saved” does not apply to all Jews throughout history, nor can it apply to a select favored group who become instant believers when Jesus Christ comes crashing down through the sky. By that time, it is too late to believe.

Now we all do really have freedom of religion, freedom of choice, freedom of speech, the right to be heard now as well.. I clearly do believe in the right of everyone to speak, to speak out as well, and to be equally heard by all, so we can all judge what has been said if it is appropriate and we can next corresponding act upon it, even in the church, in the government, on the internet now too. Clearly some bad people falsely still DO DISALLOW THIS RIGHT… the realy bad persons especially as even I know this for sure as they falsely refuse the whole to be shared even as as to who they are firstly. They respond with a personal attack, inquisition, censorship, lies, slanders, diversions, distortions, instead of facing, dealing with the facts, truths being presented. Confirming to many what they still are really like, liars, immoral, abusive bullies.

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/what-does-the-word-chosen-mean-in-the-bible/

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by thenonconformer on July 24, 2008 • Permalink

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Fret not!

My Adventure with God, I am loved, forgiven, transformed, changed, a new person, and I am serving the Lord, walking with God, I am in the promised land, miraculous, fascinated, my heart and life belongs to Lord Jesus. God often speaks to me and reminds me, says Have faith! I am holding you in the palm of my hand, and I am with you everywhere you go too. Be still and know that I am God, fret not because evil doers who make their bad works come to pass, I know everything, and I still hold you and the world all in my hand.

(Psa 46:10 KJV) Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

(Mark 4:39 KJV) And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

(Psa 37:1 KJV) Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.

(Psa 37:7 KJV) Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

(Psa 37:8 KJV) Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.

(Prov 24:19 KJV) Fret not thyself because of evil men, neither be thou envious at the wicked;

(Psa 27:14 KJV) Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.

(Psa 37:34 KJV) Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.

(Prov 20:22 KJV) Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and he shall save thee.

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http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/how-to-pray-for-healing/
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http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/
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http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/as-to-what-is-a-christian/

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